To cut costs, Flint poisons its residents with lead

As it turns out, people knew about the horrible water situation long before the Governor ever caught wind of it. And when you think of a government agency in the same sentence as a disaster in a water supply, who do you think of first? The Environmental Protection Agency, of course. As The Daily Caller found out, the EPA was looking into this almost a year ago but buried the topic in an internal food fight.

EPA official Susan Hedman did not publicize the EPA’s concern over Flint’s water quality or the water’s dangerous health concerns. The federal agency instead quietly fought with the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality for at least six months about what should be done.

EPA water expert, Miguel Del Toral, identified potential contamination problems with Flint’s drinking water last February and confirmed the suspicions in April. He authored an internal memo about the problem in June, according to documents obtained by Virginia Tech.

Meanwhile, Hedman became aware of the contamination issue in April. She sought legal advice, but didn’t receive the guidance until November 2014. The American Civil Liberties Union accused Hedman in October of attempting to keep Miguel Del Toral’s memo in-house, downplaying its significance.

Turtleneck wrote:Expert says Michigan officials changed a Flint lead report to avoid federal action
http://michiganradio.org/post/expert-says-michigan-officials-changed-flint-lead-report-avoid-federal-action#stream/0

Turtleneck wrote:It looks like things are getting better in Flint. Just kidding.

(CNN)Residents of Flint, Michigan, already reeling because of lead contamination in their drinking water, got more disturbing news on Wednesday.

Gov. Rick Snyder announced the number of cases of Legionnaires' disease has spiked in Genesee County in the two years since Flint switched its water supply from the Great Lakes to the Flint River.

But the increase cannot be directly attributed to the switch, said Nick Lyon, director of the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services. Not all the people who got Legionnaires' were exposed to Flint water, he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/13/health/flint-michigan-water-crisis/

LooseGoose wrote:THE EPA KNEW ABOUT FLINT MICHIGAN’S TOXIC WATER FOR MONTHS AND DIDN’T TELL ANYONE: “The EPA was looking into this almost a year ago but buried the topic in an internal food fight.” Naturally though, for the DNC-MSM, it’s still Republican Gov. Rick Snyder’s fault.

As it turns out, people knew about the horrible water situation long before the Governor ever caught wind of it. And when you think of a government agency in the same sentence as a disaster in a water supply, who do you think of first? The Environmental Protection Agency, of course. As The Daily Caller found out, the EPA was looking into this almost a year ago but buried the topic in an internal food fight.

EPA official Susan Hedman did not publicize the EPA’s concern over Flint’s water quality or the water’s dangerous health concerns. The federal agency instead quietly fought with the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality for at least six months about what should be done.

EPA water expert, Miguel Del Toral, identified potential contamination problems with Flint’s drinking water last February and confirmed the suspicions in April. He authored an internal memo about the problem in June, according to documents obtained by Virginia Tech.

Meanwhile, Hedman became aware of the contamination issue in April. She sought legal advice, but didn’t receive the guidance until November 2014. The American Civil Liberties Union accused Hedman in October of attempting to keep Miguel Del Toral’s memo in-house, downplaying its significance.

The EPA knew about Flint’s toxic water for months and didn’t tell anyone

steveschneider wrote:

DWags wrote:

Hmmm wonder where the one time 1.5 billion is coming from?

You ever watch the Kids In The Hall? Screw You Taxpayers sketch may answer your question. It's a classic!

kingstonlake wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:THE EPA KNEW ABOUT FLINT MICHIGAN’S TOXIC WATER FOR MONTHS AND DIDN’T TELL ANYONE: “The EPA was looking into this almost a year ago but buried the topic in an internal food fight.” Naturally though, for the DNC-MSM, it’s still Republican Gov. Rick Snyder’s fault.





The EPA knew about Flint’s toxic water for months and didn’t tell anyone

Its not Snyders fault.  But he bears the responsibility.  Much like a GM that makes horrible decisions

DWags wrote:Typical. Pass blame around. Somebody needs to go to jail. Fuck Snyder for putting bean counters in charge who know nothing about public safety, fuck this Hedman. Fuck all of them.

Arrest them all. Put them all on trial. Pieces of shit. Nobody is blameless. WE ELECT THESE FUCKERS TO PROTECT US FIRST. THATS JOB ONE.

LooseGoose wrote:THE EPA KNEW ABOUT FLINT MICHIGAN’S TOXIC WATER FOR MONTHS AND DIDN’T TELL ANYONE:

xsanguine wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:THE EPA KNEW ABOUT FLINT MICHIGAN’S TOXIC WATER FOR MONTHS AND DIDN’T TELL ANYONE:

That damned free market! Roc nailed it!

Rocinante wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

That damned free market! Roc nailed it!

The greatest thing about your butthurt over this is you know that unregulated, this type of situation would be the rule, not the exception. You'll never admit it, but I know you know it.

Turtleneck wrote:Clinton said, "If kids in rich suburbs of Detroit had been drinking contaminated water...you bet there would've been action."

Turtleneck wrote:Clinton and Sanders close debate by referencing Flint. Clinton brought it up and Sanders added a few comments, including a call for Snyder to resign.

xsanguine wrote:It's a team sport and there's an election coming up. You have to seize every opportunity that becomes available to you or else you may lose out on filling the power vacuum that'll be up for grabs.

Anyone that obsessed with power like these people are would do the exact same thing. They may not get another chance to capitalize on the perception that easily fits into a Facebook meme whether it's factual or not. Legally it'll get sorted out (hopefully) but whether Snyder knew about it or not doesn't matter... the court of public opinion has rendered it's verdict.

Either way, this is the game he chose to be apart of and play so it is what it is.

msugolfguy wrote:That's true too. It's just funny the all lives matter group are like wait it's our guy in trouble. Well never mind these are poor people, we really don't care about them. Peace we out.

msugolfguy wrote:That's true too. It's just funny the all lives matter group are like wait it's our guy in trouble. Well never mind these are poor people, we really don't care about them. Peace we out.

Blanch32 wrote:

msugolfguy wrote:That's true too. It's just funny the all lives matter group are like wait it's our guy in trouble. Well never mind these are poor people, we really don't care about them. Peace we out.

Of course not. Just shows how pathetic that "movement" really is

xsanguine wrote:Not sure I'd call them a movement than a reaction to a movement. I don't see #AllLivesMatter running around stifling freedom of the press and trying to bum rush and intimidate college students studying in the library.

The irony being, of course.. that to the Black Lives Matter group... black lives don't matter when they're taken by other black lives, which is over 90% of the black lives that are taken in this country.

This is veering off-topic, though.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Jokes aside, I think people who reply to someone saying "black lives matter" with "all lives matter" is like replying to someone that says "save the rain forest" with "why do you hate pine trees in the Midwest?" It's a little ridiculous.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Jokes aside, I think people who reply to someone saying "black lives matter" with "all lives matter" is like replying to someone that says "save the rain forest" with "why do you hate pine trees in the Midwest?" It's a little ridiculous.

Blanch32 wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Jokes aside, I think people who reply to someone saying "black lives matter" with "all lives matter" is like replying to someone that says "save the rain forest" with "why do you hate pine trees in the Midwest?" It's a little ridiculous.

It's a douche on douche crime either way

xsanguine wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Jokes aside, I think people who reply to someone saying "black lives matter" with "all lives matter" is like replying to someone that says "save the rain forest" with "why do you hate pine trees in the Midwest?" It's a little ridiculous.

I don't think that's a very good analogy, Travis. This would make more sense....

"Save the rain forests!"
"Save all the forests!"

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

I don't think that's a very good analogy, Travis. This would make more sense....

"Save the rain forests!"
"Save all the forests!"

If we were having a conversation in person I would have gone with "all trees matter." But I wanted to establish my point in this forum without writing a novel about it.

xsanguine wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

If we were having a conversation in person I would have gone with "all trees matter." But I wanted to establish my point in this forum without writing a novel about it.

What is your favorite novel?

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

What is your favorite novel?

1984

xsanguine wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

1984

Great choice.