Re: Trump calls Elizabeth Warren "Pocahontas"

by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon 27 Nov 2017 - 15:32

DWags wrote:
Floyd Robertson wrote:JFC. He can't even treat a single person or event with a shred of respect or dignity.

Honestly, I have no words.

he's a pathetic, disgusting subhuman.. everyone with a shred of morality and integrity knows this.

problem is, it's a pure play to his knuckle-draggin' racist, bigoted deplorable supporters. Native Americans are too honorable to ever vote for him - so he knows he can insult them to their faces.

the irony is, the people he has such disgust for - the Native Americans - are too honorable and classy to walk out of the White House when he starts with his racist, bigoted comments. They know that he is a very small, insignificant person.. and they are there to honor what they and so many other brave Native Americans did.

by **NigelUno** Mon 27 Nov 2017 - 15:42

Guys.

Come on. Stop being tribalists.

by **GRR Spartan** Mon 27 Nov 2017 - 16:08

His grandfather lied on his immigration papers, left a wife in Germany and ran a "hotel" that was also a house for working girls.

The 3rd generation grandson of a German who lied to get into the US thinks its okay to demean US Senators.

Tiki Torch Don is at it again. Blood and Soil and elect a pedophile

by **Floyd Robertson** Mon 27 Nov 2017 - 17:41

GRR Spartan wrote:His grandfather lied on his immigration papers, left a wife in Germany and ran a "hotel" that was also a house for working girls.

The 3rd generation grandson of a German who lied to get into the US thinks its okay to demean US Senators.

Tiki Torch Don is at it again. Blood and Soil and elect a pedophile

It's more telling on a day he's supposedly honoring native Americans in their service to uphold democracy and freedom he slams their ancestry. I care less that he might have offended a senator.

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** Mon 27 Nov 2017 - 18:03

Can't believe you guys are gobbling up the fake news. He's not nearly as bad as they make him out to be.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon 27 Nov 2017 - 18:47

I think we should just give him a chance.

by **DWags** Mon 27 Nov 2017 - 18:51

NigelUno wrote:Guys.

Come on. Stop being tribalists.

Ok, I laughed.

by **DWags** Mon 27 Nov 2017 - 18:52

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I think we should just give him a chance.

Smoke a peace pipe with him?

by **Turtleneck** Mon 27 Nov 2017 - 18:52

DWags wrote:
Floyd Robertson wrote:JFC. He can't even treat a single person or event with a shred of respect or dignity.

Honestly, I have no words.

Then WTF did you just type?

by **DWags** Mon 27 Nov 2017 - 18:53

Maybe have a pow wow? Work things out?

by **DWags** Mon 27 Nov 2017 - 18:53

Turtleneck wrote:
DWags wrote:

Honestly, I have no words.

Then WTF did you just type?

Sounds like you’re on the war path.

by **DWags** Mon 27 Nov 2017 - 18:54

Honestly, all joking aside, this fucker is the president. I mean wtf?

by **Turtleneck** Mon 27 Nov 2017 - 18:56

DWags wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:

Then WTF did you just type?

Sounds like you’re on the war path.

Dammit! That is not funny.

by **Turtleneck** Mon 27 Nov 2017 - 18:56

DWags wrote:Honestly, all joking aside, this fucker is the president. I mean wtf?

1/3 of the country is still ecstatic about him being president, too.

by **GRR Spartan** Mon 27 Nov 2017 - 20:57

DWags wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:

Then WTF did you just type?

Sounds like you’re on the war path.

He's going to save the unborn.

by **Turtleneck** Mon 27 Nov 2017 - 23:02

Donald Trump’s long history of clashes with Native Americans
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/donald-trumps-long-history-of-clashes-with-native-americans/2016/07/25/80ea91ca-3d77-11e6-80bc-d06711fd2125_story.html?utm_term=.c68794b20379

Donald Trump claimed that Indian reservations had fallen under mob control. He secretly paid for more than $1 million in ads that portrayed members of a tribe in Upstate New York as cocaine traffickers and career criminals. And he suggested in testimony and in media appearances that dark-skinned Native Americans in Connecticut were faking their ancestry.

His battles with Indian casinos also reveal Trump’s contradictions: Even as he was bashing the industry publicly, Trump was quietly trying to strike partnerships with some tribes, records show. In one case, he lobbied a California tribe in person in an unsuccessful attempt to win the right to manage its planned casino.

During the June 18, 1993, interview with Imus, for example, the host opened the program by asking about plans by a “bunch of these drunken injuns” to open a casino in New Jersey.

“A lot of these reservations are being, in some people’s opinion, at least to a certain extent, run by organized crime and organized crime elements,” Trump responded. “There’s no protection. There’s no anything. And it’s become a joke.”

Imus mentioned a Connecticut tribe that had opened the successful Foxwoods casino in 1991, saying that their members looked like black basketball star Michael Jordan.

“I think if you’ve ever been up there, you would truly say that these are not Indians,” Trump responded. “One of them was telling me his name is Chief Running Water Sitting Bull, and I said, ‘That’s a long name.’ He said, ‘Well, just call me Ricky Sanders.’ ”

The comments offended Native Americans across the country, said Rick Hill, who at the time was chairman of the National Indian Gaming Association, a nonprofit group that lobbied government officials on behalf of tribes.

“The same thing goes through my head now when I hear him,” Hill said. “It’s just not appropriate; it’s demeaning and it’s racist.”

“We’re in the car on the way and he says, ‘You know, these people sure don’t look like Indians to me,’ ” Stone recalled in an interview.

“I really wouldn’t say that at the hearing,” Stone recalled telling Trump in the car. “I think it would be counterproductive.”

“Got it,” Trump replied, according to Stone.

When it was Trump’s turn to speak, he abandoned his script, telling lawmakers that he had decided that it was “very boring” and “politically correct.” His speech had included conciliatory language and professed uncertainty about the mob’s alleged infiltration.

Instead, Trump told lawmakers that organized crime “is rampant — I don’t mean a little bit — is rampant on Indian reservations.” He predicted “one of the biggest scandals since Al Capone.” Then came the line that many Native Americans would remember for decades: that the federally recognized Connecticut tribe that owned Foxwoods — the Mashantucket Pequots — did not look like real Indians.

“The air came out of the room,” said former New Jersey senator Robert Torricelli, a Democrat who had invited Trump to testify and was sitting next to him. “I think Donald was defending his industry. The cause was appropriate. But his use of language was not necessarily appropriate. It is very similar to what we are seeing today.”

George Miller, a Democratic congressman from California who sparred with Trump during the hearing, said in an interview that it was the most “irresponsible” testimony he had heard during his 40 years in Congress.

In 2000, when New York was considering expanding Native American casinos in the Catskill Mountains, a series of TV, newspaper and radio ads popped up in the state accusing the Mohawk Indian tribe of having long criminal records and ties to the mob. The ads showed pictures of cocaine lines and syringes and asked: “Are these the new neighbors we want?”

As far as the public knew, the ads were sponsored by a newly formed group called the Institute for Law and Safety. The group claimed that it was funded by 12,000 “grass-roots, pro-family” donors.

But in reality, it was bankrolled by Trump’s casino company. Stone asked a friend to pose as the group’s leader, but Stone designed the ads and Trump signed off on them. “Roger, this could be good!” Trump scrawled on a proof of the ad with the cocaine lines and syringes, according to documents first reported last month by the Los Angeles Times. Another ad warned of the ills that casino gambling would bring to the community: “increased crime, broken families, bankruptcies, and in the case of the Mohawks, violence.” Trump paid more than $1 million for the campaign.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 9:03

bad news for racist misogynists who are threatened by a strong, bright, independent female..

BOSTON (AP) — Responding to years of derision by the racist, bigoted sexual predator and other critics, Sen. Elizabeth Warren on Monday released a report on a DNA analysis that provides strong evidence she does, in fact, have Native American heritage.

Caution: Mainstream Media Link

not that this will stop bigoted misogynists from being bigoted misogynists.. but it'll give folks like me one more thing to mock them for.

by **DWags** Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 9:12

Saw that about Warren. She does have like up to 6-10 generations ago, traceable blood.

Now, he'll just make racist jokes about her.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 9:55

DWags wrote:Saw that about Warren. She does have like up to 6-10 generations ago, traceable blood.

Now, he'll just make racist jokes about her.

I'm certain the racist, bigoted sexual predator will donate the $1 million to the charity of her choice, as he said he would.

that is, if his bankrupt self was a) moral and b) had one million dollars to his name.

by **steveschneider** Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 10:33

Already seeing the WH down play the scientific findings that Warren provided.

Funny how the Republicans believe in a book that tells us a man lived in a whale but can't accept science.

by **Rocinante** Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 10:36

steveschneider wrote:Already seeing the WH down play the scientific findings that Warren provided.

Funny how the Republicans claim to believe in a book that tells us a man lived in a whale but can't accept science.

fixed

by **DWags** Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 10:36

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
DWags wrote:Saw that about Warren. She does have like up to 6-10 generations ago, traceable blood.

Now, he'll just make racist jokes about her.
I'm certain the racist, bigoted sexual predator will donate the $1 million to the charity of her choice, as he said he would.

that is, if his bankrupt self was a) moral and b) had one million dollars to his name.

So, an ex-student who is really up high in the cherokee nation governing board, and went to UofM with that scholarship, is really kind of pissed at Warren still. She's not a Trump guy by any means, but she's tired of the dog and pony show. I'll re-print here what she just said about her on Facebook.

"OK. Can she just stop? I mean seriously. Just stop. Warren needs to quit undermining tribal sovereignty and citizenship by clinging to her family lore. DNA tests do not determine tribal citizenship and have zero bearing in tribal enrollment. As a Senator with a nation-to-nation relationship with the Cherokee Nation, she must respect how the Cherokee Nation defines who, and who is not Cherokee. To do so otherwise is a complete disrespect to tribal governance.

It's frustrating to see Non-Natives just LOVE when they find Native blood in there 23&Me tests. In the meantime, actual Natives just had their voting rights stripped in North Dakota less than a month away from a critical election; a federal court case dismantled ICWA, threatening the welfare of our children and tribal law as we know it; and the Mashpee Wampanoag - the same tribe that hundreds of thousands of kids will dress up as to "honor" next month - just had their land stolen... again.

All in the span of just one month. Enough."

by **Rocinante** Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 10:41

DWags wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: I'm certain the racist, bigoted sexual predator will donate the $1 million to the charity of her choice, as he said he would.

that is, if his bankrupt self was a) moral and b) had one million dollars to his name.

So, an ex-student who is really up high in the cherokee nation governing board, and went to UofM with that scholarship, is really kind of pissed at Warren still. She's not a Trump guy by any means, but she's tired of the dog and pony show. I'll re-print here what she just said about her on Facebook.

"OK. Can she just stop? I mean seriously. Just stop. Warren needs to quit undermining tribal sovereignty and citizenship by clinging to her family lore. DNA tests do not determine tribal citizenship and have zero bearing in tribal enrollment. As a Senator with a nation-to-nation relationship with the Cherokee Nation, she must respect how the Cherokee Nation defines who, and who is not Cherokee. To do so otherwise is a complete disrespect to tribal governance.

It's frustrating to see Non-Natives just LOVE when they find Native blood in there 23&Me tests. In the meantime, actual Natives just had their voting rights stripped in North Dakota less than a month away from a critical election; a federal court case dismantled ICWA, threatening the welfare of our children and tribal law as we know it; and the Mashpee Wampanoag - the same tribe that hundreds of thousands of kids will dress up as to "honor" next month - just had their land stolen... again.

All in the span of just one month. Enough."

I get it, but this kid is having trouble seeing the forest for the trees here. Warren didn't make this an issue, Trump did. She talked about her family history a few times in passing, and as far as I can tell, never in a pandering way. This hopefully just closes the loop on the whole thing. And yes, Natives can lay claim to the dubious distinction of possibly being the worst treated race on the continent. I'm pretty sure Warren knows that.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 10:49

DWags wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: I'm certain the racist, bigoted sexual predator will donate the $1 million to the charity of her choice, as he said he would.

that is, if his bankrupt self was a) moral and b) had one million dollars to his name.

So, an ex-student who is really up high in the cherokee nation governing board, and went to UofM with that scholarship, is really kind of pissed at Warren still. She's not a Trump guy by any means, but she's tired of the dog and pony show. I'll re-print here what she just said about her on Facebook.

"OK. Can she just stop? I mean seriously. Just stop. Warren needs to quit undermining tribal sovereignty and citizenship by clinging to her family lore. DNA tests do not determine tribal citizenship and have zero bearing in tribal enrollment. As a Senator with a nation-to-nation relationship with the Cherokee Nation, she must respect how the Cherokee Nation defines who, and who is not Cherokee. To do so otherwise is a complete disrespect to tribal governance.

It's frustrating to see Non-Natives just LOVE when they find Native blood in there 23&Me tests. In the meantime, actual Natives just had their voting rights stripped in North Dakota less than a month away from a critical election; a federal court case dismantled ICWA, threatening the welfare of our children and tribal law as we know it; and the Mashpee Wampanoag - the same tribe that hundreds of thousands of kids will dress up as to "honor" next month - just had their land stolen... again.

All in the span of just one month. Enough."

I totally get where this person is coming from.

And I don't necessarily agree with Warren promoting her native bloodlines, etc. As Roc said, I don't think she ever really promoted her heritage in a self-aggrandizing way.

I, frankly, don't care what her bloodlines are - what she's ultimately doing, though, is simply emboldening the racist, bigoted, misogynistic MAGA types. You really think they're going to issue her an apology for mocking her?

These are the same people who mock survivors of sexual assault, disabled people, POW's etc. We're not exactly dealing with people of the highest moral and ethical standards here.

but, yes, your former student is correct.

by **Rocinante** Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 10:51

Bob, if you remember, after Obama released his BC, the birther bullshit mostly went away except for a few crackpots. This is likely Warren's strategy here, as she knows this issue is not good for her. She kind of had to do it.

by **steveschneider** Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 10:53

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
DWags wrote:

So, an ex-student who is really up high in the cherokee nation governing board, and went to UofM with that scholarship, is really kind of pissed at Warren still. She's not a Trump guy by any means, but she's tired of the dog and pony show. I'll re-print here what she just said about her on Facebook.

"OK. Can she just stop? I mean seriously. Just stop. Warren needs to quit undermining tribal sovereignty and citizenship by clinging to her family lore. DNA tests do not determine tribal citizenship and have zero bearing in tribal enrollment. As a Senator with a nation-to-nation relationship with the Cherokee Nation, she must respect how the Cherokee Nation defines who, and who is not Cherokee. To do so otherwise is a complete disrespect to tribal governance.

It's frustrating to see Non-Natives just LOVE when they find Native blood in there 23&Me tests. In the meantime, actual Natives just had their voting rights stripped in North Dakota less than a month away from a critical election; a federal court case dismantled ICWA, threatening the welfare of our children and tribal law as we know it; and the Mashpee Wampanoag - the same tribe that hundreds of thousands of kids will dress up as to "honor" next month - just had their land stolen... again.

All in the span of just one month. Enough."
I totally get where this person is coming from.

And I don't necessarily agree with Warren promoting her native bloodlines, etc. As Roc said, I don't think she ever really promoted her heritage in a self-aggrandizing way.

I, frankly, don't care what her bloodlines are - what she's ultimately doing, though, is simply emboldening the racist, bigoted, misogynistic MAGA types. You really think they're going to issue her an apology for mocking her?

These are the same people who mock survivors of sexual assault, disabled people, POW's etc. We're not exactly dealing with people of the highest moral and ethical standards here.

but, yes, your former student is correct.

Yeah, Warren should have never promoted her bloodlines and I agree. Also, no matter what the results are they are going to continue with the 'Pocahontas' chants and maybe even throw in a few 'lock her up' chants as well.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 10:54

Rocinante wrote:Bob, if you remember, after Obama released his BC, the birther bullshit mostly went away except for a few crackpots. This is likely Warren's strategy here, as she knows this issue is not good for her. She kind of had to do it.

yeah, maybe - but it's just buying into the racist, bigoted sexual predator reality TV stuff - suddenly people are talking about some US Senator's DNA results verus children being locked in cages, a tanking economy, white men mocking survivors of sexual assault, and US journalists being murdered by Saudi Arabia.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 10:54

steveschneider wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I totally get where this person is coming from.

And I don't necessarily agree with Warren promoting her native bloodlines, etc. As Roc said, I don't think she ever really promoted her heritage in a self-aggrandizing way.

I, frankly, don't care what her bloodlines are - what she's ultimately doing, though, is simply emboldening the racist, bigoted, misogynistic MAGA types. You really think they're going to issue her an apology for mocking her?

These are the same people who mock survivors of sexual assault, disabled people, POW's etc. We're not exactly dealing with people of the highest moral and ethical standards here.

but, yes, your former student is correct.

Yeah, Warren should have never promoted her bloodlines and I agree. Also, no matter what the results are they are going to continue with the 'Pocahontas' chants and maybe even throw in a few 'lock her up' chants as well.

America is a stupid country - and we get what we deserve.

by **Rocinante** Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 11:14

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Rocinante wrote:Bob, if you remember, after Obama released his BC, the birther bullshit mostly went away except for a few crackpots. This is likely Warren's strategy here, as she knows this issue is not good for her. She kind of had to do it.
yeah, maybe - but it's just buying into the racist, bigoted sexual predator reality TV stuff - suddenly people are talking about some US Senator's DNA results verus children being locked in cages, a tanking economy, white men mocking survivors of sexual assault, and US journalists being murdered by Saudi Arabia.

Baby steps.

by **kingstonlake** Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 15:26

This is great news for racists. Now instead of being prejudice against someone who claimed to have minority blood, they can be racists against a person with actual minority DNA. Win/win.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 15:48

kingstonlake wrote:This is great news for racists. Now instead of being prejudice against someone who claimed to have minority blood, they can be racists against a person with actual minority DNA. Win/win.

and it happens to be a woman, as well.. win/win/win. Trump calls Elizabeth Warren "Pocahontas" - Page 2 502811600

by **kingstonlake** Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 15:55

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:This is great news for racists. Now instead of being prejudice against someone who claimed to have minority blood, they can be racists against a person with actual minority DNA. Win/win.
and it happens to be a woman, as well.. win/win/win.

In his defense she doesn't "look" Indian. So how's a knuckle dragging orange ape supposed to know? Trump calls Elizabeth Warren "Pocahontas" - Page 2 2599972566

Trump calls Elizabeth Warren "Pocahontas" - Page 2 2599972566

by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 16:00

kingstonlake wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: and it happens to be a woman, as well.. win/win/win.

In his defense she doesn't "look" Indian. So how's a knuckle dragging orange ape supposed to know?

he doesn't care.. it's his deplorable followers that he has to convince.

Which isn't very difficult - they're not real smart.

by **steveschneider** Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 17:17

https://twitter.com/justinwingerter/status/1051943041576169476

by **Rocinante** Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 17:27

super easy to embed, Steve.

steveschneider wrote:
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Also, see my quote above. They're missing the point. And as much as tribal nations deserve sovereignty and respect, she's the wrong white person to be attacking. And she's not claiming citizenship in the tribe.

by **Watch Out Pylon!** Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 17:35

Why is this even a thing? Politics are fucking stupid.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 17:41

America is a stupid country.

by **Rocinante** Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 19:15

It needs to be aired now so that it’s not an issue when she runs.

Because you know Trump will ride that pony til it’s dead.

by **steveschneider** Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 19:25

Rocinante wrote:super easy to embed, Steve.

steveschneider wrote:
[tw]1051943041576169476[/tw]

Also, see my quote above. They're missing the point. And as much as tribal nations deserve sovereignty and respect, she's the wrong white person to be attacking. And she's not claiming citizenship in the tribe.

I don't know how to embed on mobile. :(

You make a good point and is pretty close to Warren's response.

by **kingstonlake** Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 21:50

Trump's smirking POS wife in the background when he said he doesn't owe Warren an apology. Fine, but you DO owe Native Americans one. I'm sorry, she's trash just like her husband if not worse. The few clips I saw of her abc interview she tries to come across so above it all and caring and *bullied". She just may be a bigger asshole than her husband.

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