Costello: unimpressed

Danny Tanner wrote:

Hey it's not Izzo's fault that Costello just isn't that good and I'm not blaming him. Usually you can trust that a Mr. Basketball will be a solid player but it didn't happen. Back to the crooooooting trail.

Didn't happen? He's not on the team anymore? Did I miss something?

Yeah, probably should have extended that scholly to Connar Tava, John Simmons, or Lloyd Neely that year.  Straight up ballers, those three.....

Threads like these are why I prefer Bolly and Blanches dating tips and tGhost's rock climbing alien stories to most of you spouting on player development.

Potato Cakes wrote:....and one of the major reasons I don't pay any attention to recruiting.  Dude was suppose to be Mr hustle and instead he takes games off and mainly Mr foul.   The weight loss didn't help and I blame the coaches for that.  We needed a back up for Payne at center not a tall gazelle.  

I swaer that fast break strategy may have only netted 10 total points all season.  Fail all around

The good news is that this post means Costello will be All B1G at least and possibly All American next season.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Sigh... You weren't allowed to make comments like this on the other board cause they are just plain stupid.

We will allow such comments, yet we also reserve the right to call you a dumbass.

And all is right with the world.

Costello will be a 24 minute, 10 point, 7 rebound type player this season.

Danny Tanner wrote:I will agree that Costello sucks, but not because of "taking games off". He might have the slowest feet of any regular starting big for MSU in a while. He gets burned in the post so much I want to punch the tv, and his offense in the post makes me wish for Derrick Nix back. And no he hasn't improved or gotten stronger, and you can quote me when I say he has hit his ceiling for development. I really hope I'm wrong.

Quoting right now. I am continually amazed about how forgetful the fan-base is with guys like Suton and Naymick as example... who were probably less developed as sophomores. Not to mention, on an Izzo team, you've got a number and a role. You play that. I think the jury is out on Costello, and I'm not ready to toss him aside.

Better keep this opinion hush hush, because if NYsparty finds this thread all hell with break loose.

SawGreen wrote:

Quoting right now.  I am continually amazed about how forgetful the fan-base is with guys like Suton and Naymick as example... who were probably less developed as sophomores.  Not to mention, on an Izzo team, you've got a number and a role.  You play that.  I think the jury is out on Costello, and I'm not ready to toss him aside.

I really hope you're right, that's really the only thing that has me hopeful, players like Suton. G could play

duffy munn wrote:




You do know he had mono, right ?

Not in the summertime.

duffy munn wrote:





I hope this doesn't affect your argument but Costello weighed 225lbs when he got to MSU. He now weighs 240.

....and rasheed Wallace was 260 when he played for the pistons just like Harris was 6-4

SawGreen wrote:

Quoting right now. I am continually amazed about how forgetful the fan-base is with guys like Suton and Naymick as example... who were probably less developed as sophomores. Not to mention, on an Izzo team, you've got a number and a role. You play that. I think the jury is out on Costello, and I'm not ready to toss him aside.

Neither of those dudes where 4 or 5 star recruits

Big Ten Referee wrote:Costello will be a 24 minute, 10 point, 7 rebound type player this season.

If he is, we ain't making the tourney....

duffy munn wrote:And Costello is far more developed and polished than G was as a sophomore.

That's just crazy talk. In year two of both of their careers, Suton was a much better player.

Costello: 14.7 mpg, 4.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.8 apg, 0.3 spg, 1.3 blk
Suton: 26.9 mpg, 9.3 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 2.4 apg, 0.7 spg, 0.7 blk

Unless you are talking about blocks, Suton blows away Costello. It's not even close.

Big Ten Referee wrote:Costello will be a 24 minute, 10 point, 7 rebound type player this season.

Yep. Dude is a solid defender and has shown flashes on offense. Mono and foul trouble slowed him down last year and his minutes all went to Dawson and Payne. My biggest worry for him is being a physical player without getting into foul trouble early in games. That seems to be a big problem for him. However, he plays real hard and I don't see how people could dislike the kid. Especially the idiots who put him in the same category as Guana at the start of last season.

Giant Moose wrote:

That's just crazy talk. In year two of both of their careers, Suton was a much better player.

Costello: 14.7 mpg, 4.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.8 apg, 0.3 spg, 1.3 blk
Suton: 26.9 mpg, 9.3 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 2.4 apg, 0.7 spg, 0.7 blk

Unless you are talking about blocks, Suton blows away Costello. It's not even close.

Boom.   

Suton developed a jump shot. Costello doesn't have one, and doesn't have a post game. He is useless on offense unless he cleans up off a rebound or something.

Danny Tanner wrote:

Boom.   

Suton developed a jump shot. Costello doesn't have one, and doesn't have a post game. He is useless on offense unless he cleans up off a rebound or something.

He will never be a 3 point shooter like Suton but he will be able to develop an elbow jumper. He hit a couple fade aways in the post last year.

duffy munn wrote:

And Costello is far more developed and polished than G was as a sophomore.

I don't like to dog on Spartans who give their all and represent us well, but Goran was a train wreck until he was a Sr.

Costello's role was support last year. He was not the man. With Valentine and Dawson driving the O, he will still need to share... but he will be the guy being fed down low this year. I'm confident he will preform.

& was he that huge a recruit to be "disappointed" in? He wasn't Karlvan Torbarthuiyui or anything coming out of high school.

Giant Moose wrote:

That's just crazy talk. In year two of both of their careers, Suton was a much better player.

Costello: 14.7 mpg, 4.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.8 apg, 0.3 spg, 1.3 blk
Suton: 26.9 mpg, 9.3 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 2.4 apg, 0.7 spg, 0.7 blk

Unless you are talking about blocks, Suton blows away Costello. It's not even close.

Fwiw posts like these are ban worthy on trcmb

duffy munn wrote:

Are you really trying to argue that Costello isn't bigger than he was when he got here ? Also, link to coaches telling him to lose weight.

Links? You watch anyone of our Nov games this yr? The announcers couldn't shut up about it. Like he played football or was ambidextrous....

Three_Putt_Par wrote:

Yep. Dude is a solid defender and has shown flashes on offense. Mono and foul trouble slowed him down last year and his minutes all went to Dawson and Payne. My biggest worry for him is being a physical player without getting into foul trouble early in games. That seems to be a big problem for him. However, he plays real hard and I don't see how people could dislike the kid. Especially the idiots who put him in the same category as Guana at the start of last season.

You people are bats shits if you think he plays hard consistently last yr. Hell he regressed if you ask me....

Potato Cakes wrote:

You people are bats shits if you think he plays hard consistently last yr.  Hell he regressed if you ask me....

Didn't he have mono in the middle of the season? Did you ever have mono? Although Payne had mono and played through it somehow. Although it does affect people differently, knocked me out for about 2 weeks, then I was ok, but I had a buddy who was down for almost a month and he lost quite a bit of weight. Can we wait until January of next year before we write him off?

Giant Moose wrote:

That's just crazy talk. In year two of both of their careers, Suton was a much better player.

Costello: 14.7 mpg, 4.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.8 apg, 0.3 spg, 1.3 blk
Suton: 26.9 mpg, 9.3 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 2.4 apg, 0.7 spg, 0.7 blk

Unless you are talking about blocks, Suton blows away Costello. It's not even close.

So with double the minutes Suton had double the production. Color me stunned.

Potato Cakes wrote:

Links? You watch anyone of our Nov games this yr? The announcers couldn't shut up about it. Like he played football or was ambidextrous....

Good bless America, I love it when people asked to prove their points say, "Didn't you watch TV?"

Der der....

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

I don't like to dog on Spartans who give their all and represent us well, but Goran was a train wreck until he was a Sr.

Costello's role was support last year. He was not the man. With Valentine and Dawson driving the O, he will still need to share... but he will be the guy being fed down low this year. I'm confident he will preform.  

& was he that huge a recruit to be "disappointed" in? He wasn't Karlvan Torbarthuiyui or anything coming out of high school.

Goran played more minutes a game as a sophomore than he did as a senior. If he was such a trainwreck, do you think Izzo would have given him so many minutes?

kingstonlake wrote:

So with double the minutes Suton had double the production. Color me stunned.

But why didn't Costello get more minutes? We desperately needed another big guy to step up and earn more minutes, but obviously Izzo didn't think that Costello did. He played a total of 25 minutes in 4 games in the tourney. That's pretty alarming.

Spartan Punk wrote:
But why didn't Costello get more minutes? We desperately needed another big guy to step up and earn more minutes, but obviously Izzo didn't think that Costello did. He played a total of 25 minutes in 4 games in the tourney. That's pretty alarming.

Izzo wanted his best players on the floor and shortened the bench. Simple concept.

Potato Cakes wrote:

You people are bats shits if you think he plays hard consistently last yr.  Hell he regressed if you ask me....

Agree. Costello didn't play hard every game. He even admits it himself and was part of the reason we had that home loss to Nebraska.

his aim is true..

Potato Cakes wrote:....and one of the major reasons I don't pay any attention to recruiting.  

Potato Cakes wrote:Neither of those dudes where 4 or 5 star recruits

  

Spartan Punk wrote:
But why didn't Costello get more minutes? We desperately needed another big guy to step up and earn more minutes, but obviously Izzo didn't think that Costello did. He played a total of 25 minutes in 4 games in the tourney. That's pretty alarming.

This. Conversely I'm high on Gavin. Dude stepped up in the big ten tourney and should have gotten no tourney mins

Bump.

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