Pat Shurmur is now (interim) OC for Minnesota

Go Vikings!

I wonder...

I warner as well Nigel...hmm...

Might be a good fit.

my take on this will be posted in tbasement. fyi. stay tuned

Blanch32 wrote:my take on this will be posted in tbasement. fyi. stay tuned

On behalf of, well, everyone, I can honestly say we look forward to seeing it there.

Thank you, Nigel

Death Roe wrote:Thank you, Nigel

Opinions aside, my super secret squirrel inside sources tell me you're going to be disappointed if you expect a new OC next year.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Opinions aside, my super secret squirrel inside sources tell me you're going to be disappointed if you expect a new OC next year.

Did you hear that on the sports board?

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Opinions aside, my super secret squirrel inside sources tell me you're going to be disappointed if you expect a new OC next year.

Lets take the giant step, lets say he gets a new OC.   How many of you think it's going to be a new offense?   Do you think he's recruiting kids and is going to form an offense around them or do you think he's recruiting kids that fit into his offense?   

Sure, maybe the new guy can come up with a great knack for knowing what play will work, or is able to get into a DC's head game day and can make exceptional calls.   But You won't see a new look MSU offense.  It's his philosophy and he's been very successful with it.  Present year not withstanding.

tGreenWay wrote:

Blanch32 wrote:my take on this will be posted in tbasement. fyi. stay tuned

On behalf of, well, everyone, I can honestly say we look forward to seeing it there.

Not true. my obsessioners have followed me over there. you'd be suprised, but I'm not.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Opinions aside, my super secret squirrel inside sources tell me you're going to be disappointed if you expect a new OC next year.

....and that's what dantonio should be telling his coaches when a bowl game is still mathematical possible.

the osu game is their version of Saban and Dantonio's 1998 osu game. win it, and save your job.

DWags wrote:

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Opinions aside, my super secret squirrel inside sources tell me you're going to be disappointed if you expect a new OC next year.

Lets take the giant step, lets say he gets a new OC.   How many of you think it's going to be a new offense?   Do you think he's recruiting kids and is going to form an offense around them or do you think he's recruiting kids that fit into his offense?   

Sure, maybe the new guy can come up with a great knack for knowing what play will work, or is able to get into a DC's head game day and can make exceptional calls.   But You won't see a new look MSU offense.  It's his philosophy and he's been very successful with it.  Present year not withstanding.

Sometimes you make a change for change's sake.

DWags wrote:

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Opinions aside, my super secret squirrel inside sources tell me you're going to be disappointed if you expect a new OC next year.

Lets take the giant step, lets say he gets a new OC.   How many of you think it's going to be a new offense?   Do you think he's recruiting kids and is going to form an offense around them or do you think he's recruiting kids that fit into his offense?   

Sure, maybe the new guy can come up with a great knack for knowing what play will work, or is able to get into a DC's head game day and can make exceptional calls.   But You won't see a new look MSU offense.  It's his philosophy and he's been very successful with it.  Present year not withstanding.

You are right if dantonio refuses to cease control of the offense, and continues to meddle. that's why we need our version of lane kiffin that isn't intimidatEd by dantonio and does his own thing, and the players respond and play with that swagger.

right not our OCs are too afraid to make a mistake in Dantonio's eyes, and yet he's clearly not an OC guru....

NigelUno wrote:

DWags wrote:


Lets take the giant step, lets say he gets a new OC.   How many of you think it's going to be a new offense?   Do you think he's recruiting kids and is going to form an offense around them or do you think he's recruiting kids that fit into his offense?   

Sure, maybe the new guy can come up with a great knack for knowing what play will work, or is able to get into a DC's head game day and can make exceptional calls.   But You won't see a new look MSU offense.  It's his philosophy and he's been very successful with it.  Present year not withstanding.

Sometimes you make a change for change's sake.  

I mean, I guess you could put a spread in with our skill set athletes.  I don't know that our linemen fit that.   But yeah, a change could happen.  It' takes a different type of recruit sometimes to make a big switch.  Our skill guys wouldn't have that big of a problem.  

If we just get better on the LOS, a lot of this shit goes away.

DWags wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

Sometimes you make a change for change's sake.  

I mean, I guess you could put a spread in with our skill set athletes.  I don't know that our linemen fit that.   But yeah, a change could happen.  It' takes a different type of recruit sometimes to make a big switch.  Our skill guys wouldn't have that big of a problem.  

If we just get better on the LOS, a lot of this shit goes away.

I didn't mean a change in scheme necessarily. Just an OC change.

DWags wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

Sometimes you make a change for change's sake.  

I mean, I guess you could put a spread in with our skill set athletes.  I don't know that our linemen fit that.   But yeah, a change could happen.  It' takes a different type of recruit sometimes to make a big switch.  Our skill guys wouldn't have that big of a problem.  

If we just get better on the LOS, a lot of this shit goes away.

And that's the problem. Staten has never should the ability to consistently deliver, aND it will only get harder with Michigan running the same offense now...

Spread offense is where the game seems to be going. First one to 60 wins.

Hey, what's Jerry Glanville doing these days??

Looks like the "premium" brand marketing plan is imploding. Damn shame.

No - fuck a spread offense. Maybe MORE of 5 wide and spreading them out, sure. But the elite run pro style offenses.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:No - fuck a spread offense. Maybe MORE of 5 wide and spreading them out, sure. But the elite run pro style offenses.

Do they?

In any case, we're not elite. We had a nice 3-4 year run.

Vlad wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:No - fuck a spread offense. Maybe MORE of 5 wide and spreading them out, sure. But the elite run pro style offenses.

Do they?

In any case, we're not elite. We had a nice 3-4 year run.

I think they do, Vlad. Best for putting players into the league as well which only helps the program.

The term "elite" is pretty subjective. I won't take the bait on that one. Sure someone else will though and then you can have the same argument for the 50th time! Yay!

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Vlad wrote:

Do they?

In any case, we're not elite. We had a nice 3-4 year run.

I think they do, Vlad. Best for putting players into the league as well which only helps the program.

The term "elite" is pretty subjective. I won't take the bait on that one. Sure someone else will though and then you can have the same argument for the 50th time! Yay!

Don't take the bait then, but it's really not that subjective. You don't go from being the "same old Spartans" for decades, to having a 4 year run, to sitting at 2-6 with an epic implosion, and even fool around with the word "elite".

We fooled around with it for a bit, until we got run outta JerryWorld by a real elite.

Back to the topic - Pat Shurmur. To go from NFL coordinator to NFL HC and then end up as the interim OC at Minnesota...man...

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Vlad wrote:



Do they?

In any case, we're not elite. We had a nice 3-4 year run.

I think they do, Vlad. Best for putting players into the league as well which only helps the program.

The term "elite" is pretty subjective. I won't take the bait on that one. Sure someone else will though and then you can have the same argument for the 50th time! Yay!

People get way too hung up on labels. Just win the game in front of you. The rest is bullshit.

DWags wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

I think they do, Vlad. Best for putting players into the league as well which only helps the program.

The term "elite" is pretty subjective. I won't take the bait on that one. Sure someone else will though and then you can have the same argument for the 50th time! Yay!

People get way too hung up on labels. Just win the game in front of you. The rest is bullshit.

Yup. Just talk and white noise to make $$$ when the games aren't being played.

There's only one surefire way to be elite - win a NC. And if you want to remain elite over an extended period, win a NC every 10-12 years or so.

OSU is the only elite team in the conference.

So...Pat Shurmur...he's now the interim OC for the Vikings.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

DWags wrote:

People get way too hung up on labels. Just win the game in front of you. The rest is bullshit.

Yup. Just talk and white noise to make $$$ when the games aren't being played.

I'd rather just win the next game than be called elite.

DWags wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Yup. Just talk and white noise to make $$$ when the games aren't being played.

I'd rather just win the next game than be called elite.

I don't think beating IL is gonna get us there anyway.  

Vlad wrote:

DWags wrote:

I'd rather just win the next game than be called elite.

I don't think beating IL is gonna get us there anyway.  

How would beating Illinois NOT get us a victory? Help me out.