Let's be real about coach Dantonio

Vlad wrote:

The Pantry wrote:Dude-vlag or D-vlag?  

Childish, but keep trying. I'm sure you'll come up with something. DR tried the "vag" thing but in the end just ended up putting me on ignore (and is doing a pretty shitty job at that).

Blanch32 wrote:

DWags wrote:

Can you imagine these guys down by 13 at half in a locker room? Jesus.

blowars would say "at least w3 aren't down 30, for its the best we can ask for"

Cameron wrote:Let's be real about Coach Dantonio: it's been a rough 12 months or so, both on and off the field, for the football program, but Coach D is still the best thing to happen to our football team in several decades. The sexual assault shit needs to end and he bears some responsibility for either recruiting guys of questionable character or not properly emphasizing the importance of staying out of trouble, but that stuff is separate from the on-field results. In terms of win-loss record, he has earned a ton of leeway and I am not overly concerned. The off-field stuff is troubling, and coach D's seat should get hot if the hits keep coming.

Vlad wrote:

duffy munn wrote:

I believe in and have faith in Mark Dantonio. You and the OP apparently do not.

This and both of you jackasses get off on all things bad for MSU.

I'm unhappy about the current state of MSU football. You and tDude seem to be enjoying it.

In short, both of you are assholes.

As an MSU alum and a 30 year follower of the football program, I am definitely NOT enjoying this. Embarrassed, shocked, disappointed...all of the above.

Any other theories you want to float and see if they stick?

Cameron wrote:Let's be real about Coach Dantonio: it's been a rough 12 months or so, both on and off the field, for the football program, but Coach D is still the best thing to happen to our football team in several decades. The sexual assault shit needs to end and he bears some responsibility for either recruiting guys of questionable character or not properly emphasizing the importance of staying out of trouble, but that stuff is separate from the on-field results. In terms of win-loss record, he has earned a ton of leeway and I am not overly concerned. The off-field stuff is troubling, and coach D's seat should get hot if the hits keep coming.

The_Dude wrote:

Cameron wrote:Let's be real about Coach Dantonio: it's been a rough 12 months or so, both on and off the field, for the football program, but Coach D is still the best thing to happen to our football team in several decades. The sexual assault shit needs to end and he bears some responsibility for either recruiting guys of questionable character or not properly emphasizing the importance of staying out of trouble, but that stuff is separate from the on-field results. In terms of win-loss record, he has earned a ton of leeway and I am not overly concerned. The off-field stuff is troubling, and coach D's seat should get hot if the hits keep coming.

Good post but you should be concerned about Ws and Ls. Coach D got lucky with a no name in Cook being a star and a zero star OL being a stud LT for 3 years. Plus we had Duzzi. Those covered up the warts of the coaching staff especially Cook constantly bailing the team out.

Now they are gone and the coaches don't have much of an answer. Literally half his staff needs to be fired. They are just guys who show up to collect a paycheck and that doesn't work anymore in today's cfb environment.

Mind boggling there can such a complete meltdown in every facet of the program and no one gets canned.

InTenSity wrote:Wait. Some of the best news MSU has had in a while and people want to talk about football coaches? Lmao

MiamiSpartan wrote:

InTenSity wrote:Wait. Some of the best news MSU has had in a while and people want to talk about football coaches? Lmao

It's really not even remotely a coincidence that The_Dumbass started this thread literally 14 minutes before a guaranteed NBA lottery pick was scheduled to announce that he's coming back to MSU because he fucking loves it at MSU, the college experience, and Coach Izzo.

Instead it says all that you need to know about him.

DWags wrote:I won't get caught up in the back and forth with the three trolls in this thread, but some perspective for those who choose to try to have a conversation with them:

1. 3-9 sucked. We have to come back with 8 or9 this year or there will be zero momentum and traction. It will be very difficult to catch up. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. If Dantonio comes back after a 6-6 season, it would take quite a lot to ever get the program back as it was the previous five years.

2. Off field stuff sucks. For every hard ass kid he recruits and "gives a chance" and they fuck up, there are two or three whose life he completely changes and sets them right. We don't hear about them always but they're there and Dantonio is as good as anyone in doing it.

3. When kids fuck up you can blame Dantonio for their fuck up for trying to help them, that's fine, but I think it's better to judge Dantonio in his actions towards the kids after they fuck up. Is what he's doing the best for victims, the kids, the kids family , the program and the university.

How has he handled these four that has either pleased you or pissed you off?

Vlad wrote:

Blanch32 wrote:

blowars would say "at least w3 aren't down 30, for its the best we can ask for"

I don't even think the blowars would take the time to formulate their own thoughts about being down by 13. More likely that they would be preoccupied with what we would say. (see above)

Herbie Green wrote:

Vlad wrote:

I don't even think the blowars would take the time to formulate their own thoughts about being down by 13. More likely that they would be preoccupied with what we would say. (see above)

I had been noticing this a lot lately. Any MSU news that comes out, could be good or bad, and one of the first posts will not be about the topic but instead "I wonder what VLad, dude, mgoblog are saying". Or they will even just make up a story about posters being on a football team or something.

It is this constant fragile insecurity on display. I have to admit it is enjoyable to observe and even occassionally needle.

Death Roe wrote:Thanks for quoting the post, Pylon. I can see that Herbie admits he's a troll.

Nothing new there...

Vlad wrote:

DWags wrote:I won't get caught up in the back and forth with the three trolls in this thread, but some perspective for those who choose to try to have a conversation with them:

1. 3-9 sucked. We have to come back with 8 or9 this year or there will be zero momentum and traction. It will be very difficult to catch up. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. If Dantonio comes back after a 6-6 season, it would take quite a lot to ever get the program back as it was the previous five years.

2. Off field stuff sucks. For every hard ass kid he recruits and "gives a chance" and they fuck up, there are two or three whose life he completely changes and sets them right. We don't hear about them always but they're there and Dantonio is as good as anyone in doing it.

3. When kids fuck up you can blame Dantonio for their fuck up for trying to help them, that's fine, but I think it's better to judge Dantonio in his actions towards the kids after they fuck up. Is what he's doing the best for victims, the kids, the kids family , the program and the university.

How has he handled these four that has either pleased you or pissed you off?

Sorry, how MD responds after the fact is really just making the best of a shitty situation. But the fact that all this shit happened on HIS watch, with players HE recruited, he has to be held accountable for that.

He's not gonna get any points for responding to the mess that's still unfolding on his watch, because that's the minimum he is expected to do anyway. This is his fuckup, and there are multiple fuckups, not just one.

At least that's the standard we apply to other coaches. I figure we might as well apply it here too.

Depending on how this unfolds, and given his age and heart health, I would not be surprised if this is the end for him. Would be very sad, but it's possible.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

The_Dude wrote:

Good post but you should be concerned about Ws and Ls. Coach D got lucky with a no name in Cook being a star and a zero star OL being a stud LT for 3 years. Plus we had Duzzi. Those covered up the warts of the coaching staff especially Cook constantly bailing the team out.

Now they are gone and the coaches don't have much of an answer. Literally half his staff needs to be fired. They are just guys who show up to collect a paycheck and that doesn't work anymore in today's cfb environment.

Mind boggling there can such a complete meltdown in every facet of the program and no one gets canned.

I guess you must have been asleep during the back to back 11 win seasons before Cook ever took a snap at MSU. Doesn't fit Valenti's--I mean "your" narrative, though.

Herbie Green wrote:

Vlad wrote:

I don't even think the blowars would take the time to formulate their own thoughts about being down by 13. More likely that they would be preoccupied with what we would say. (see above)

"I wonder what VLad, dude, mgoblog are saying".

Vlad wrote:

Blanch32 wrote:

blowars would say "at least w3 aren't down 30, for its the best we can ask for"

I don't even think the blowars would take the time to formulate their own thoughts about being down by 13. More likely that they would be preoccupied with what we would say. (see above)

Cameron wrote:

Death Roe wrote:Thanks for quoting the post, Pylon. I can see that Herbie admits he's a troll.

Nothing new there...

Vlad wrote:

DWags wrote:I won't get caught up in the back and forth with the three trolls in this thread, but some perspective for those who choose to try to have a conversation with them:

1. 3-9 sucked. We have to come back with 8 or9 this year or there will be zero momentum and traction. It will be very difficult to catch up. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. If Dantonio comes back after a 6-6 season, it would take quite a lot to ever get the program back as it was the previous five years.

2. Off field stuff sucks. For every hard ass kid he recruits and "gives a chance" and they fuck up, there are two or three whose life he completely changes and sets them right. We don't hear about them always but they're there and Dantonio is as good as anyone in doing it.

3. When kids fuck up you can blame Dantonio for their fuck up for trying to help them, that's fine, but I think it's better to judge Dantonio in his actions towards the kids after they fuck up. Is what he's doing the best for victims, the kids, the kids family , the program and the university.

How has he handled these four that has either pleased you or pissed you off?

Sorry, how MD responds after the fact is really just making the best of a shitty situation. But the fact that all this shit happened on HIS watch, with players HE recruited, he has to be held accountable for that.

He's not gonna get any points for responding to the mess that's still unfolding on his watch, because that's the minimum he is expected to do anyway. This is his fuckup, and there are multiple fuckups, not just one.

At least that's the standard we apply to other coaches. I figure we might as well apply it here too.

Depending on how this unfolds, and given his age and heart health, I would not be surprised if this is the end for him. Would be very sad, but it's possible.

Herbie Green wrote:

Vlad wrote:

I don't even think the blowars would take the time to formulate their own thoughts about being down by 13. More likely that they would be preoccupied with what we would say. (see above)

I had been noticing this a lot lately. Any MSU news that comes out, could be good or bad, and one of the first posts will not be about the topic but instead "I wonder what VLad, dude, mgoblog are saying". Or they will even just make up a story about posters being on a football team or something.

It is this constant fragile insecurity on display. I have to admit it is enjoyable to observe and even occassionally needle.

tGreenWay wrote:

Vlad wrote:

Sorry, how MD responds after the fact is really just making the best of a shitty situation. But the fact that all this shit happened on HIS watch, with players HE recruited, he has to be held accountable for that.

He's not gonna get any points for responding to the mess that's still unfolding on his watch, because that's the minimum he is expected to do anyway. This is his fuckup, and there are multiple fuckups, not just one.

At least that's the standard we apply to other coaches. I figure we might as well apply it here too.

Depending on how this unfolds, and given his age and heart health, I would not be surprised if this is the end for him. Would be very sad, but it's possible.

It's noble that you have such concern for all those other schools. I, for one, find comfort in knowing you're policing the internets in search of hypocrisy. Since Aaron Hernandez is back in the news, maybe you could put on your Hypocrisy Cop cap and throw a flag on the OP of the following thread, who is clearly more concerned about the character of other college football teams:

https://spartanswill.forumotion.com/t1076-aaron-hernandez-indicted-on-two-more-murders#430124

Vlad wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:

It's noble that you have such concern for all those other schools. I, for one, find comfort in knowing you're policing the internets in search of hypocrisy. Since Aaron Hernandez is back in the news, maybe you could put on your Hypocrisy Cop cap and throw a flag on the OP of the following thread, who is clearly more concerned about the character of other college football teams:

https://spartanswill.forumotion.com/t1076-aaron-hernandez-indicted-on-two-more-murders#430124

I don't go very far looking for hypocrites, I just come here. This place is full of them.

Vlad wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:

It's noble that you have such concern for all those other schools. I, for one, find comfort in knowing you're policing the internets in search of hypocrisy. Since Aaron Hernandez is back in the news, maybe you could put on your Hypocrisy Cop cap and throw a flag on the OP of the following thread, who is clearly more concerned about the character of other college football teams:

https://spartanswill.forumotion.com/t1076-aaron-hernandez-indicted-on-two-more-murders#430124

I don't go very far looking for hypocrites, I just come here. This place is full of them.

Death Roe wrote:

Cameron wrote:

Quite the agenda against me lately. Meh.

Death Roe wrote:I can't be blamed for someone quoting them even though I have them on ignore.

Thanks for the wake-up call, though. Honestly. Love you, bro.

tGreenWay wrote:

Vlad wrote:

I don't go very far looking for hypocrites, I just come here. This place is full of them.

You're full of words and never back it up with actual proof. That's all you are, a chicken shit coward only able to repeat the opinions of others. I used the Hernandez thread to show how you pinheads are the real hypocrites.

tGreenWay wrote:

Vlad wrote:

I don't go very far looking for hypocrites, I just come here. This place is full of them.

You're full of words and never back it up with actual proof. That's all you are, a chicken shit coward only able to repeat the opinions of others. I used the Hernandez thread to show how you pinheads are the real hypocrites.

Cameron wrote:

Death Roe wrote:

Quite the agenda against me lately. Meh.

I just don't understand why you would want to act like Nigel.

duffy munn wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:

You're full of words and never back it up with actual proof. That's all you are, a chicken shit coward only able to repeat the opinions of others. I used the Hernandez thread to show how you pinheads are the real hypocrites.

tGreenWay wrote:

You're full of words and never back it up with actual proof. That's all you are, a chicken shit coward only able to repeat the opinions of others. I used the Hernandez thread to show how you pinheads are the real hypocrites.

Roasted

steveschneider wrote:Perspective.

John Calipari puts freshman into the pros - everyone loses their shit.

College football coaches have players that commit sexual assault and fan bases, and local authorities come rushing to their defense.

Blanch32 wrote:

duffy munn wrote:



Roasted

blowar level roasting