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Post by SawGreen on 2018-02-19, 18:09

gHost Spartan wrote:We're at almost 9.5k views right now and growing by the hour!

I commented on the blog (thought it took), are comments turned off or edited in some manner?
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Post by steveschneider on 2018-02-19, 18:12

gHost Spartan wrote:We're at almost 9.5k views right now and growing by the hour!

Well deserved. You did a great job on it.
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Post by LooseGoose on 2018-02-19, 18:34

SawGreen wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:Every time someone pulls a loose thread it unravels more......

Context: ESPN’s Outside the Lines’ “internal letter to Michigan State administrators”

I think LA really believes in her mission... I also think it has blinded her a bit. So, all of the football/basketball backstory has no corroboration? Single source?

Sounds like that could be the case.
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gHost Spartan wrote:We're at almost 9.5k views right now and growing by the hour!

Where has this been plugged?
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Post by CORNER BLITZ on 2018-02-19, 19:48

goodbar wrote:one editing suggestion: find and replace all "Lavigne"s to: "L'avigne".
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Post by Nordic on 2018-02-19, 19:48

Damn dude, awesome work gHost. That was a lot of data to go through and fact check. Very thorough. VIP content.

One item that may need some further explanation is the "RVSM training". What does it stand for/what is it? I have an idea based on prior reports, but it is not clear to the outside observer.
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Post by Nordic on 2018-02-19, 19:49

FWIW another blogger posted this a few weeks ago. It might help in your Part II

https://michiganstatefootballblog.wordpress.com/2018/01/29/otl-msu-report-my-commentary/
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Post by FatFingers on 2018-02-19, 20:35

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Post by Big Ten Referee on 2018-02-19, 20:40

She’s a piece of shit
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Post by LooseGoose on 2018-02-19, 20:51

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Post by steveschneider on 2018-02-19, 21:01

David Harns just got in touch with the ESPN Public editor which should be interesting. I hope the Public Editor makes a statement calling out ESPNs BS.
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Post by InTenSity on 2018-02-19, 21:01

Any updates? Is anyone national picking this up? Are we going to be crushed tomorrow with traffic?
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Post by steveschneider on 2018-02-19, 21:03

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That’s hysterical. She had no idea who she was fucking with when she decided to trash MSU. Fuck Paula Lavigne.
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Post by LooseGoose on 2018-02-19, 21:06

steveschneider wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

That’s hysterical. She had no idea who she was fucking with when she decided to trash MSU. Fuck Paula Lavigne.

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Post by SawGreen on 2018-02-19, 21:12

steveschneider wrote:David Harns just got in touch with the ESPN Public editor which should be interesting. I hope the Public Editor makes a statement calling out ESPNs BS.

Harns also said he contacted Allswede. She still has her convictions, which I honestly don't fault her for holding. Some of her assumptions were hers, it was ESPN that molded them into a narrative.

It's such a fucking cluster. I firmly believe that too many sexual assault victims don't receive the justice they deserve. But, I cannot/will not accept anything ahead of due process.
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Post by MSU addict on 2018-02-19, 21:31

LooseGoose wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

That’s hysterical. She had no idea who she was fucking with when she decided to trash MSU. Fuck Paula Lavigne.

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It is not about the size of the bear.  It is about the truth.

Nassar makes MSU an easy target, and deservedly so.  As I have said before, feel free to compare our football and basketball programs and head coaches with an major program in the county.  No program is perfect, but we are on a higher level than the vast majority.  

It is always easier to defend the truth.
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Post by steveschneider on 2018-02-19, 21:36

LooseGoose wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

That’s hysterical. She had no idea who she was fucking with when she decided to trash MSU. Fuck Paula Lavigne.

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I don’t think they anticipated that Valenti, Harns or Ghost would come at them so strong and dismantle their report like they did.
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Post by SPARTASOTAN on 2018-02-19, 21:56

- PAULA LAVIGNE IS A LIAR. 
- PAULA LAVIGNE IS UNETHICAL. 
- PAULA LAVIGNE IS NOT A CREDIBLE JOURNALIST.
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Post by Dendrobates on 2018-02-19, 22:13

I read the whole thing. Excellent job Ghost. I am sending this to as many people as I know.
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Post by WhiteBoyHatcher on 2018-02-19, 22:26

SPARTASOTAN wrote:- PAULA LAVIGNE IS A LIAR. 
- PAULA LAVIGNE IS UNETHICAL. 
- PAULA LAVIGNE IS NOT A CREDIBLE JOURNALIST.

I appreciate you but let's not gloss over the fact that:

PAULA LAVIGNE KILLED FIVE HOOKERS
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Post by MiamiSpartan on 2018-02-20, 00:28

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LooseGoose wrote:

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It is not about the size of the bear.  It is about the truth.

Nassar makes MSU an easy target, and deservedly so.  As I have said before, feel free to compare our football and basketball programs and head coaches with an major program in the county.  No program is perfect, but we are on a higher level than the vast majority.  

It is always easier to defend the truth.
In the context of this versus the college population nationwide, we are far better than average. So I'm sure we are better off than most revenue sports programs, as well.

Of course, that doesn't make even a single assault "ok" just because it happens less here than elsewhere, but it is important context when we are attacked as having a culture that allows this.

The "culture of rape" is a nationwide college problem, but ESPN's narrow focus shows that they don't really care about addressing that.
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Post by Code_Warrior on 2018-02-20, 00:46

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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2018-02-20, 04:57

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Post by InTenSity on 2018-02-20, 07:29

I've seen the link posted on facebook from someone I wasn't expecting to see something like that from.
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Post by steveschneider on 2018-02-20, 07:33

I’m surprised he hasn’t been invited on a show yet to discuss it.

Saw some backlash on the title of Ghost’s piece. I actually like the title and is perfect for a piece coming out of the Swill. Harns has been doing a lot of respectable work and no one has picked up on it outside of our circle. I don’t think a change to Ghost’s title would make much of a difference.
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Post by steveschneider on 2018-02-20, 07:36

InTenSity wrote:I've seen the link posted on facebook from someone I wasn't expecting to see something like that from.

If you do a search for Paula Lavigne in twitter Liar pops up as an option. It’s almost trending. Might give her a taste of what it’s like when you name someone for a crime with no charges and they have that attached to their identity forever.
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Post by steveschneider on 2018-02-20, 10:05

I have to admit I’m getting burnt out on this topic and am to the point where I’m ready to move on. Whenever I get to this point ESPN does something incredibly stupid which pisses me off and sucks me back in. I may have to take a hiatus from twitter and the internet for a while.
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Post by MSU addict on 2018-02-20, 10:20

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MSU addict wrote:
It is not about the size of the bear.  It is about the truth.

Nassar makes MSU an easy target, and deservedly so.  As I have said before, feel free to compare our football and basketball programs and head coaches with an major program in the county.  No program is perfect, but we are on a higher level than the vast majority.  

It is always easier to defend the truth.
In the context of this versus the college population nationwide, we are far better than average.  So I'm sure we are better off than most revenue sports programs, as well.

Of course, that doesn't make even a single assault "ok" just because it happens less here than elsewhere, but it is important context when we are attacked as having a culture that allows this.

The "culture of rape" is a nationwide college problem, but ESPN's narrow focus shows that they don't really care about addressing that.
You are absolutely correct, not a single assault is acceptable.  No one should construe gHost's or anyone's defense of MSU as suggesting such.

I, and I feel almost all of our alumni, want to correct any problems MSU has.  The problem is not our football and basketball programs.  If you want to take issue with our women's gymnastics coaches, our softball coaches, our Title IX office, various administrators - have at it.  We deserve it.  

You are also correct that this issue is Paula Lavigne's and ESPN's incredibly narrow focus.  They don't want to correct the problem.  They want to sell books and boost ratings. Sadly they want to exploit Nassar's victims for their own gain.


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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That on 2018-02-20, 10:36

steveschneider wrote:I have to admit I’m getting burnt out on this topic and am to the point where I’m ready to move on. Whenever I get to this point ESPN does something incredibly stupid which pisses me off and sucks me back in. I may have to take a hiatus from twitter and the internet for a while.

Delete Twitter, Steve. You’re better than Twitter.
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Post by MSU addict on 2018-02-20, 10:49

gHost Spartan wrote:
MSU addict wrote:
You are absolutely correct, not a single assault is acceptable.  No one should construe gHost's or anyone's defense of MSU as suggesting such.

I, and I feel almost all of our alumni, want to correct any problems MSU has.  The problem is not our football and basketball programs.  If you want to take issue with our women's gymnastics coaches, our softball coaches, our Title IX office, various administrators - have at it.  We deserve it.  

You are also correct that this issue is Paula Lavigne's and ESPN's incredibly narrow focus.  They don't want to correct the problem.  They want to sell books Lavigne and boost ratings. Sadly they want to exploit Nassar's victims for their own gain.

That was a point I made but did not explore in great detail in my article. Based on what I read, and there is more that I have yet to read, it seems like the Title IX office was just not very good, or didn't quite understand how to get issues resolved timely. Student B in the OCR report had to wait a year for her case to be resolved. I can't remember if that was how long it took to get the male subject dismissed from the university, I'd have to go back and look at it again.

But let's face it, no one is going to be interested in a Title IX article. I don't think many people even know what it is
That is the crux of the problem.

Our Title IX office was terrible, we are under a federal consent order for good reason. A bad Title IX office doesn't sell books or boost ratings.

So you have to tie it to something people do care about and names they have heard of.

If those ties don't exist, you falsely insinuate they do. You lie to achieve you goals.

... and gHost calls you out on it.
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Post by steveschneider on 2018-02-20, 11:13

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steveschneider wrote:I have to admit I’m getting burnt out on this topic and am to the point where I’m ready to move on. Whenever I get to this point ESPN does something incredibly stupid which pisses me off and sucks me back in. I may have to take a hiatus from twitter and the internet for a while.

Delete Twitter, Steve. You’re better than Twitter.

I got royally creeped out in there the other week...I commented on a Glenn greenwald article and then a mob of Russian bots and Jill stein freaks started commenting like crazy on my response and liking each others posts at a rapid rate. My comment was drowned out and ridiculed. I think I got a glimpse of how they can really shape discussion on that site.

It’s a great platform when there’s breaking news, but it is god awful as a time waster.
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Post by MiamiSpartan on 2018-02-20, 11:51

I saw on tRCMB that some Detroit area journalist (maybe with one of the TV stations, I forget) took exception with gHost saying that Appling and Payne were exonerated, because not pressing charges is not the same as being exonerated. While he's correct on that last part, how fucking stupid is this guy? He obviously read the article enough to know that gHost uses the term "exonerated", but somehow completely misses the part where Dunnings' public statement to the media specifically said "no crime was committed". That's not a matter of "not enough evidence", that's a very unequivocal statement. Prosecutor stating "no crime was committed" = "exonerated".
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Post by MiamiSpartan on 2018-02-20, 12:00

gHost Spartan wrote:
MSU addict wrote:That is the crux of the problem.

Our Title IX office was terrible, we are under a federal consent order for good reason. A bad Title IX office doesn't sell books or boost ratings.

So you have to tie it to something people do care about and names they have heard of.

If those ties don't exist, you falsely insinuate they do. You lie to achieve you goals.

... and gHost calls you out on it.

There's a bunch of other OCR stuff that I haven't read yet but plan on reading once I decompress from this article. I felt a real sense of urgency and had to get it done and published
I bookmarked your article. I'll probably save it as a pdf, too, just in case anything ever happens to the original link (such as ESPN hackers...."hypothetically"). It gives such a good, factual layout, with everything cited, that if someone I know asks me about Dantonio and Izzo's "scandal", I will just send them the link and say, "Read this, then you tell me."

It works so much better than sending a link to some of the pinned RCMB threads that break down issues with the OTL article.

I can only imagine the time you put in to it, but I hope that the incredibly positive response that it's gotten among the MSU community already makes it all worth it.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on 2018-02-20, 12:12

gHost Spartan wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:
I bookmarked your article.  I'll probably save it as a pdf, too, just in case anything ever happens to the original link (such as ESPN hackers...."hypothetically").  It gives such a good, factual layout, with everything cited, that if someone I know asks me about Dantonio and Izzo's "scandal", I will just send them the link and say, "Read this, then you tell me."

It works so much better than sending a link to some of the pinned RCMB threads that break down issues with the OTL article.  

I can only imagine the time you put in to it, but I hope that the incredibly positive response that it's gotten among the MSU community already makes it all worth it.

I did put a lot of work into that motherfucker! LOL!! I'm glad people can see that - it was originally like 20 pages
in all seriousness, gHost, with the exception of my wife (sometimes) and daughter (most of the time), I don't love anything enough to put that much effort into it.

Nice work.
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Post by WhiteBoyHatcher on 2018-02-20, 12:29

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Post by LooseGoose on 2018-02-20, 12:38

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:gHost is a 1990s Britpop Scholar......

By this time next week he and Valenti will be Bros.
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Post by kingstonlake on 2018-02-20, 13:27

Is a year to resolve a title IX issue really that long during that time? If I remember the kicker that raped a chick at SCum, his case was on going at least that long and he wasn't "expelled" until he exhausted his eligibility.
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