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Post by kingstonlake Fri 14 Dec 2018 - 19:29

LooseGoose wrote:Oh and let's see the intellectual honesty here - right now there are over *400* SEALED settlements of sexual harassment by members of Congress and their staffs.  

Do you support unsealing all of them and prosecuting for campaign finance violations?   After all having those sealed rather than public assuredly influenced elections.

Or do you just support this against Trump?

Unseal em all.

Note: the Congressional accountability act passed 390-1 and 98-1 and Republicans had the majority in the Senate and house.
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Post by kingstonlake Fri 14 Dec 2018 - 19:40

Let it also be noted that Mia Love introduced a measure to end public funding of settlements to victims of harrasment by members and staff of Congress. And we know how that worked out for her......she ran afoul of the guy who cheated on his first wife with his second wife and cheated on her with his third and cheated on her with a porn actress....

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/4522
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Post by kingstonlake Fri 14 Dec 2018 - 19:53

It should also be noted that the last public filing of harrasment claims in 2016 showed the 128 violations alleged in the 49 counseling requests, 77 were discrimination or harassment of some kind
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Post by Robert J Sakimano Fri 14 Dec 2018 - 21:11

LooseGoose wrote:And more rot comes out of the Mueller camp....too bad this is going to be a huge disappointment for liberals.

Checking Robert Mueller

It was arranged by then-Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe, who personally called Mr. Flynn on other business, then suggested he sit down with two agents to clear up the Russia question. Mr. McCabe urged Mr. Flynn to conduct the interview with no lawyer present—to make things easier.

The agents (including the infamous Peter Strzok) showed up within two hours. They had already decided not to inform Mr. Flynn that they had transcripts of his conversations or give him the standard warning against lying to the FBI. They wanted him “relaxed” and “unguarded.” Former Director James Comey this weekend bragged on MSNBC that he would never have “gotten away” with such a move in a more “organized” administration.

The whole thing stinks of entrapment, though the curious question was how the Flynn defense team got the details. The court filing refers to a McCabe memo written the day of the 2017 meeting, as well as an FBI summary—known as a 302—of the Flynn interview. These are among documents congressional Republicans have been fighting to obtain for more than a year, only to be stonewalled by the Justice Department. Now we know why the department didn’t want them public.

And of course "Mr. Clean" Mueller has done this before.
The investigator’s report found prosecutors had engaged in deliberate and repeated ethical violations, withholding key evidence from the defense. It also excoriated the FBI for failing to write up 302s and for omitting key facts from those it did write. The head of the FBI was Mr. Mueller.

Given his history with the FBI, the judge may also have some questions about the curious date on the Flynn 302—Aug. 22, 2017, seven months after the interview. Texts from Mr. Strzok and testimony from Mr. Comey both suggest the 302 was written long before then. Was the 302 edited in the interim? If so, by whom, and at whose direction? FBI officials initially testified to Congress that the agents did not think Mr. Flynn had lied.
Thanks for the mainstream media link.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano Fri 14 Dec 2018 - 21:12

LooseGoose wrote:And more rot in the Mueller investigation found by an Inspector General.

DOJ Destroyed Missing Strzok/Page Text Messages Before The IG Could Review Them

I'm sure all of you support destroying evidence.....right?

The Department of Justice wiped text messages between former FBI employees Lisa Page and Peter Strozk from their cell phones before the Office of the Inspector General could review them, a new report from the DOJ watchdog reveals.

Page and Strozk’s involvement with special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation has been heavily scrutinized after it was revealed they had sent numerous anti-Trump text messages back and forth to one another. Mueller has been tasked with looking into whether or not Donald Trump and his campaign associates coordinated with Russian officials to steal the 2016 election away from Hillary Clinton.

The 11-page report reveals that almost a month after Strzok was removed from Mueller’s team, his government-issued iPhone was wiped clean and restored to factory settings by another individual working in Mueller’s office. The special counsel’s Record’s Officer told investigators that “she determined it did not contain records that needed to be retained.”

Thanks for the mainstream.media link.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano Fri 14 Dec 2018 - 21:13

LooseGoose wrote:[tw]1073252219657416705[/tw]
Thanks for the mainstream media tweet.
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Post by Rocinante Mon 17 Dec 2018 - 11:35

So first of all, the hush money payments are not part of the Mueller investigation. That's the DA of the southern district of NY. But there are connections. Like how the Enquirer pushed all the fake news stories about Clinton, literally locked up damaging stories about Trump, and was right there at eye level in the supermarket, oh, and may have links to RT.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/commentisfree/2018/dec/16/national-enquirer-trump-scandal-shows-the-need-for-accountability
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Post by Rocinante Tue 18 Dec 2018 - 14:21

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Rocinante wrote:I just realized that someone married her.

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Post by Watch Out Pylon! Tue 18 Dec 2018 - 14:51

Let me know if I'm reading into this right. Flynn cooperated with the Mueller investigation. Mueller recommended no prison time. Since then Flynn started floating the idea that the FBI illegally coerced false statements from him, leading him to enter a guilty plea. The judge involved with his sentencing asks him if this is truly the case and gives him the opportunity to change his plea. Flynn basically says LOL, JK. Judge gets pissed off at him, talks about treason and how he might get prison time now. Judge then sends the proceedings into recess. Everyone comes back and Flynn's lawyers ask for a delay in sentencing so Flynn can cooperate with Mueller some more.

Did I get all of this right? If so, holy fucking daytime drama.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/michael-flynn-trumps-former-national-security-adviser-scheduled-to-be-sentenced/2018/12/17/19ce1bb4-0247-11e9-b5df-5d3874f1ac36_story.html?utm_source=reddit.com&utm_term=.440fce111f7d
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Post by DWags Tue 18 Dec 2018 - 14:58

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:Let me know if I'm reading into this right. Flynn cooperated with the Mueller investigation. Mueller recommended no prison time. Since then Flynn started floating the idea that the FBI illegally coerced false statements from him, leading him to enter a guilty plea. The judge involved with his sentencing asks him if this is truly the case and gives him the opportunity to change his plea. Flynn basically says LOL, JK. Judge gets pissed off at him, talks about treason and he might get prison time now. Judge then sends the proceedings into recess. Everyone comes back and Flynn's lawyers ask for a delay in sentencing so Flynn can cooperate with Mueller some more.

Did I get all of this right? If so, holy fucking daytime drama.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/michael-flynn-trumps-former-national-security-adviser-scheduled-to-be-sentenced/2018/12/17/19ce1bb4-0247-11e9-b5df-5d3874f1ac36_story.html?utm_source=reddit.com&utm_term=.440fce111f7d


LOL, this guy is a hero of Goose and the right. He's such a lying piece of shit and he's a coward when it comes down to it.

"lock her up..... lock her up......lock her up.....

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Post by Rocinante Tue 18 Dec 2018 - 15:13

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:Let me know if I'm reading into this right. Flynn cooperated with the Mueller investigation. Mueller recommended no prison time. Since then Flynn started floating the idea that the FBI illegally coerced false statements from him, leading him to enter a guilty plea. The judge involved with his sentencing asks him if this is truly the case and gives him the opportunity to change his plea. Flynn basically says LOL, JK. Judge gets pissed off at him, talks about treason and how he might get prison time now. Judge then sends the proceedings into recess. Everyone comes back and Flynn's lawyers ask for a delay in sentencing so Flynn can cooperate with Mueller some more.

Did I get all of this right? If so, holy fucking daytime drama.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/michael-flynn-trumps-former-national-security-adviser-scheduled-to-be-sentenced/2018/12/17/19ce1bb4-0247-11e9-b5df-5d3874f1ac36_story.html?utm_source=reddit.com&utm_term=.440fce111f7d

That's not exactly right.  The judge has access to the full record of his cooperation via the publically redacted court filings.  The judge told Flynn that he could not guarantee that he wouldn't give Flynn jail time if he proceeded with the sentencing today, but offered to delay the sentencing until after Flynn "completed his cooperation agreement".  Basically to me, this is the judge squeezing Flynn.  "Look man, you fucked up big time.  Yeah, you're helping make it right, but you have more to give.  Give it up, or we can sentence you now to prison time."

I love it.
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Post by Heat Miser Tue 18 Dec 2018 - 15:19

Flynn still hasn't learned when to keep his mouth shut.
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Post by DWags Tue 18 Dec 2018 - 15:35

Another piece of shit hero of the right admits to lying. Turns coward admits all right wing news is fake news to stay out of trouble.

Roger Stone sings. Admits he’s a liar.
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Post by Rocinante Tue 18 Dec 2018 - 15:52

DWags wrote:Another piece of shit hero of the right admits to lying. Turns coward admits all right wing news is fake news to stay out of trouble.

Roger Stone sings. Admits he’s a liar.

"All of these statements are not true," Stone said, adding that he "failed to do proper research before making those statements."

Instead of paying $100 million in damages, Stone is required to post the apology and retraction on his social media accounts, as well as his personal website.

His statement will be published in advertisements placed in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and The Washington Post.

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Post by Rocinante Tue 18 Dec 2018 - 16:59

The Cohen meeting in Prague that didn't happen.... happened.  People named Trump will be indicted...

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Post by kingstonlake Thu 27 Dec 2018 - 14:49

Report that Cohen's phone was pinging outside of Prague in late summer 2016 and intercepts of Russian officials commenting that Cohen was in Prague......

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that Russians knew Cohen was in Prague. Imagine the luck of the "pile of garbage" dossier saying the same thing about Cohen being in Prague. Just another coincidence I guess.  Mueller investigation outcome predictions (Poll) - Page 6 2599972566
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Post by kingstonlake Thu 27 Dec 2018 - 15:00

Maybe goose can clear this up.

Goose,

Why would Donald Trump's personal lawyer say repeatedly he was never in Prague or the czech republic?

When he was....in late summer 2016....and so we're Russians....and Russians discussed he was there....

Please help me put this together.
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Post by Watch Out Pylon! Thu 27 Dec 2018 - 15:31

kingstonlake wrote:Maybe goose can clear this up.

Goose,

Why would Donald Trump's personal lawyer say repeatedly he was never in Prague or the czech republic?

When he was....in late summer 2016....and so we're Russians....and Russians discussed he was there....

Please help me put this together.

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Post by Rocinante Thu 27 Dec 2018 - 15:36

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Post by kingstonlake Thu 27 Dec 2018 - 15:44

Why would Donald Trumps lawyer feel the need to lie about going to Prague?

What's the big deal?
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Post by kingstonlake Thu 27 Dec 2018 - 15:45

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:Maybe goose can clear this up.

Goose,

Why would Donald Trump's personal lawyer say repeatedly he was never in Prague or the czech republic?

When he was....in late summer 2016....and so we're Russians....and Russians discussed he was there....

Please help me put this together.

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I'm a risk taker....lol
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Post by Rocinante Thu 27 Dec 2018 - 17:45

He issued another statement that "Mueller knows everything" and he's never been to Prague.
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Post by kingstonlake Thu 27 Dec 2018 - 17:48

Rocinante wrote:He issued another statement that "Mueller knows everything" and he's never been to Prague.

Doubling down. Interesting. If he's relying on a passport stamp from czech republic as proof he wasn't there, he's wrong. It's part of the EU and not required if I'm correct.
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Post by Rocinante Thu 27 Dec 2018 - 18:18

kingstonlake wrote:
Rocinante wrote:He issued another statement that "Mueller knows everything" and he's never been to Prague.

Doubling down. Interesting. If he's relying on a passport stamp from czech republic as proof he wasn't there, he's wrong. It's part of the EU and not required if I'm correct.

At this point, I think he either wasn't there, and any information to the contrary is russian disinformation, or he was there and he's been told to continue denying it to protect parts of the investigation that are ongoing. I lean toward the former.
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Post by kingstonlake Thu 27 Dec 2018 - 18:33

Rocinante wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

Doubling down. Interesting. If he's relying on a passport stamp from czech republic as proof he wasn't there, he's wrong. It's part of the EU and not required if I'm correct.

At this point, I think he either wasn't there, and any information to the contrary is russian disinformation, or he was there and he's been told to continue denying it to protect parts of the investigation that are ongoing. I lean toward the former.

He seems to be very specific as to Prague, Czech. Which means it's possible he hasn't been to Prague specific.
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Post by Guest Thu 27 Dec 2018 - 19:48

Get your wagers in early - who is the star of the nude selfie that Mueller has obtained?

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Post by Travis of the Cosmos Thu 27 Dec 2018 - 20:01

You’d think poster x would give though to the “millions of pages” part but nah
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Post by tGreenWay Thu 27 Dec 2018 - 20:21

Is the twitter link working for you guys? Not for me, which means Roc’s and Goose’s links are just numbers.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano Thu 27 Dec 2018 - 21:02

LooseGoose wrote:Get your wagers in early - who is the star of the nude selfie that Mueller has obtained?

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thanks for the mainstream media tweet.
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Post by DWags Thu 27 Dec 2018 - 21:16

tGreenWay wrote:Is the twitter link working for you guys? Not for me, which means Roc’s and Goose’s links are just numbers.

Me too fuckers. Spill it.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano Thu 27 Dec 2018 - 22:03

tGreenWay wrote:Is the twitter link working for you guys? Not for me, which means Roc’s and Goose’s links are just numbers.
no idea - I don't read Goose's mainstream media drivel.
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Post by kingstonlake Thu 27 Dec 2018 - 22:56

Supposedly Mueller's evidence gathering has captured a nude selfie that may be considered a security issue.

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Post by Robert J Sakimano Fri 28 Dec 2018 - 12:58

Wondering if this "nude selfie" stuff is relates to pictures/video of the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator raping little girls..

'cause we know Russia has something very dark and evil on him.
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Post by kingstonlake Fri 28 Dec 2018 - 19:57

Source says information that Cohen was in Prague was third hand. Sounds bogus.
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Post by NigelUno Sat 29 Dec 2018 - 9:04

"Russia, if you're listening..."
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Post by Guest Sat 29 Dec 2018 - 12:00

While you're busy chuckling about the MaxBoot photoshop you can talk some more about Cohen being in Prague....

MICHAEL COHEN REPORT IS BASED ON THIRD-HAND INFORMATION, REPORTER REVEALS

The reporters who broke a potentially bombshell story claiming evidence that Michael Cohen visited Prague during the 2016 presidential campaign did not see for themselves some of the underlying intelligence cited in their report, one of the journalists who wrote the story revealed Thursday.

In an interview on MSNBC, Greg Gordon said that he and his McClatchy colleague, Peter Stone, did not physically see cell tower records and intelligence intercepts that they claim placed Cohen in Prague in summer 2016.

Gordon also suggested that the four anonymous sources he and Stone cite in their article also did not see the intelligence for themselves, meaning that the report is based on third-hand information.

“Is there anything that you were able to physically see for yourselves?” MSNBC host Joy Reid asked Gordon.


“I wish we had. We held out for a while for that, and it came a time when we thought we had a critical mass. It is a competitive business,” Gordon said.

“Some of the sources have government sources, and some of the sources are people who have told us that they have trusted intelligence-type sources that they get information from. We don’t know the specifics, but we have used these sources on many subjects, and they have been very accurate,” Gordon added.

When asked if he has seen the intercepts, Gordon responded, “No.”


In other words.....bullshit.
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