Re: Is this one different?

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2019-09-25, 12:09

steveschneider wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:great news..

Mitt Romney finds the racist, bigoted sexual predator's treason "troubling"...

stay tuned to see him do absolutely nothing about these "troubling" events!

Caution: Mainstream Media Link

I bet more GOP representatives retire to 'spend more time with their family' pretty soon.

yeah, seems like an inordinate amount of christian patriots are suddenly less interested in spending time with other people's wives and more interested in spending time with their own.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2019-09-25, 12:14

who knows if it's true, but I just read that the WH sent an email of media talking points.. to House Democrats.. then emailed again asking for the email back.

Is this one different? - Page 3 502811600

Is this one different? - Page 3 502811600

by **MiamiSpartan** 2019-09-25, 12:29

Cameron wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:Once again Democrats are gonna fuck this up and lose another election. The phone call wasn’t recorded. No mention of money. Trump asked a foreign government to investigate a rival. Not illegal. No different than the Clinton campaign hiring a group with their channels to the British government and intelligence to investigate trump. No different than the federal government to investigate put surveillance on carter page.

Congrats. Big fucking fail. But go ahead, start impeachment hearings. Dipshit Pelosi finally caved. Enjoy Trumps re-election.

I think the whistleblower report is and has always been more significant than any 'transcript' of the call the White House may see fit to release. Pump the brakes.

Exactly. No one ever expected there to be an actual recording or a real, full transcript. But testimony is something else (assuming that the whistle optimist testifies). And even if he doesn't, there are lots of others that could. This wasn't a private oval office conversation that never left the room. A lot of people both in the US and in the Ukraine already know exactly what was said and implied in that conversation, and a lot of others in those governments will learn of it in the coming days. However, some of the testimony may very well be sealed from the public and the majority of Congress, as we are dealing with international politics, intelligence sources, etc.

by **Rocinante** 2019-09-25, 12:41

“Trump asked a foreign government to investigate a rival. Not illegal.”

Wat.

“Let me make something 100% clear to the American public and anyone running for public office: It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election. This is not a novel concept. Election intervention from foreign governments has been considered unacceptable since the founding of our nation.”

Chairman of the Federal Elections Commission like not even that long ago? What the fuck you people.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2019-09-25, 12:53

if this is some rambling, disjointed, monosyllabic grunts that the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator had with other people listening, imagine what sort of anti-American pillow talk he and Putin have had when nobody is listening?

by **DWags** 2019-09-25, 12:53

Robert J Sakimano wrote:who knows if it's true, but I just read that the WH sent an email of media talking points.. to House Democrats.. then emailed again asking for the email back.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2019-09-25, 12:56

DWags wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:who knows if it's true, but I just read that the WH sent an email of media talking points.. to House Democrats.. then emailed again asking for the email back.

I wanna see if it's corroborated.. Is this one different? - Page 3 1966794946

by **Rocinante** 2019-09-25, 13:05

Appears to be confirmed by pelosi’s office.

https://twitter.com/jbendery/status/1176891940169834499?s=21

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2019-09-25, 13:06

by **Rocinante** 2019-09-25, 13:08

Jim Acosta shared the full memo here:

https://twitter.com/acosta/status/1176896651727908866?s=21

by **Jake from State Farm** 2019-09-25, 13:45

Rocinante wrote:“Trump asked a foreign government to investigate a rival. Not illegal.”

Wat.

“Let me make something 100% clear to the American public and anyone running for public office: It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election. This is not a novel concept. Election intervention from foreign governments has been considered unacceptable since the founding of our nation.”

Chairman of the Federal Elections Commission like not even that long ago? What the fuck you people.

Is Biden even a political rival yet? He hasn't won any primaries, about all he's done is participate in a couple of debates.

by **Rocinante** 2019-09-25, 13:48

Jake from State Farm wrote:
Rocinante wrote:“Trump asked a foreign government to investigate a rival. Not illegal.”

Wat.

“Let me make something 100% clear to the American public and anyone running for public office: It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election. This is not a novel concept. Election intervention from foreign governments has been considered unacceptable since the founding of our nation.”

Chairman of the Federal Elections Commission like not even that long ago? What the fuck you people.

Is Biden even a political rival yet? He hasn't won any primaries, about all he's done is participate in a couple of debates.

So the devil’s advocate argument is yeah he did it but it had nothing to do with 2020? It’s a bold strategy, Cotton. Let’s see if it pays off.

by **InTenSity** 2019-09-25, 13:54

Robert J Sakimano wrote:who knows if it's true, but I just read that the WH sent an email of media talking points.. to House Democrats.. then emailed again asking for the email back.

Those emails specifically say that if you aren't the intended recipient, you MUST destroy it immediately!!!

by **DWags** 2019-09-25, 13:58

Jake from State Farm wrote:
Rocinante wrote:“Trump asked a foreign government to investigate a rival. Not illegal.”

Wat.

“Let me make something 100% clear to the American public and anyone running for public office: It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election. This is not a novel concept. Election intervention from foreign governments has been considered unacceptable since the founding of our nation.”

Chairman of the Federal Elections Commission like not even that long ago? What the fuck you people.

Is Biden even a political rival yet? He hasn't won any primaries, about all he's done is participate in a couple of debates.

Every Democrat who is running for President is his political rival, including Joe Walsh. Any person who has filed papers with the Federal Election Committee, I imagine can be considered as much.

by **kingstonlake** 2019-09-25, 14:20

Playing devils advocate. And lets be honest there is no more "its illegal". That train has left the station and ain't coming back.

How is what Trump did any different than what the Clinton campaign did with hiring a firm with connections to the british intelligence in investigating Trump?

This is how its going to be spun.

by **kingstonlake** 2019-09-25, 14:24

Rocinante wrote:“Trump asked a foreign government to investigate a rival. Not illegal.”

Wat.

“Let me make something 100% clear to the American public and anyone running for public office: It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election. This is not a novel concept. Election intervention from foreign governments has been considered unacceptable since the founding of our nation.”

Chairman of the Federal Elections Commission like not even that long ago? What the fuck you people.

So asking to see if a crime was committed is receiving something of value? [devils advocate and public sentiment speaking here]

by **Floyd Robertson** 2019-09-25, 14:25

kingstonlake wrote:Playing devils advocate. And lets be honest there is no more "its illegal". That train has left the station and ain't coming back.

How is what Trump did any different than what the Clinton campaign did with hiring a firm with connections to the british intelligence in investigating Trump?

This is how its going to be spun.

So there isn't a difference between an unelected person/campaign doing it (one that isn't yet sworn to uphold anything) vs. it coming from the oval office?

by **steveschneider** 2019-09-25, 14:27

Don’t both sides this one.

by **Rocinante** 2019-09-25, 14:31

Floyd Robertson wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:Playing devils advocate. And lets be honest there is no more "its illegal". That train has left the station and ain't coming back.

How is what Trump did any different than what the Clinton campaign did with hiring a firm with connections to the british intelligence in investigating Trump?

This is how its going to be spun.

So there isn't a difference between an unelected person/campaign doing it (one that isn't yet sworn to uphold anything) vs. it coming from the oval office?

No. This line of discussion is errant. First of all, fusion GPS was contracted by the Washington Free Beacon (through Trumps R rivals) first. Secondly, Fusion GPS is not a foreign government. These things cannot be compared.

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** 2019-09-25, 14:35

At the risk of Travis getting mad and berating me because I don't really follow politics, jack shit is gonna come of this. Republicans are absolutely spineless. They can't even see a path towards enforcing their ideals through a more competent leader. Fucking cowards. And this is assuming there is merit to this, as there was to the Mueller report. They absolutely LOVE that their Dear Leader is an incompetent unfit buffoon because all they care about is that people on the other team hate him. They love that.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2019-09-25, 14:39

all good Americans can do is vote.

which is why anti-American Republicans collude with foreign powers, obstruct justice, gerrymander, come up with racist voter ID laws, close precincts in urban areas/college campuses, and otherwise disenfranchise Americans.

oh - and stop watching/reading the "news"...

by **kingstonlake** 2019-09-25, 14:42

Rocinante wrote:
Floyd Robertson wrote:

So there isn't a difference between an unelected person/campaign doing it (one that isn't yet sworn to uphold anything) vs. it coming from the oval office?

No. This line of discussion is errant. First of all, fusion GPS was contracted by the Washington Free Beacon (through Trumps R rivals) first. Secondly, Fusion GPS is not a foreign government. These things cannot be compared.

Fusion GPS has channels to British intelligence. Are you of the opinion that the Clinton campaign had no connection to Fusion GPS and the funding required for their research?

by **Rocinante** 2019-09-25, 14:44

Maybe you’re right WBH, but the republicans in the senate voted unanimously to release the whistleblower complaint to the intel committees of both houses. That’s not nothing.

by **Rocinante** 2019-09-25, 14:45

kingstonlake wrote:
Rocinante wrote:

No. This line of discussion is errant. First of all, fusion GPS was contracted by the Washington Free Beacon (through Trumps R rivals) first. Secondly, Fusion GPS is not a foreign government. These things cannot be compared.

Fusion GPS has channels to British intelligence. Are you of the opinion that the Clinton campaign had no connection to Fusion GPS and the funding required for their research?

They “have a channel”? Why because Steele was a former MI6 dude? This is still not a foreign government. And Clinton’s campaign took it over after Trump was nominated, yes.

by **kingstonlake** 2019-09-25, 14:45

Robert J Sakimano wrote:all good Americans can do is vote.

which is why anti-American Republicans collude with foreign powers, obstruct justice, gerrymander, come up with racist voter ID laws, close precincts in urban areas/college campuses, and otherwise disenfranchise Americans.

oh - and stop watching/reading the "news"...

Exactly. And thats where 100% of Democrats focus should be. Impeachment at this point is just a dog and pony show.

JFC people, Trump is sitting in his own hotel in NYC billing the government probably millions for it. For profit. And nobody gives a damn.

by **kingstonlake** 2019-09-25, 14:46

Rocinante wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

Fusion GPS has channels to British intelligence. Are you of the opinion that the Clinton campaign had no connection to Fusion GPS and the funding required for their research?

They “have a channel”? Why because Steele was a former MI6 dude? This is still not a foreign government. And Clinton’s campaign took it over after Trump was nominated, yes.

Yes.

by **Rocinante** 2019-09-25, 14:48

kingstonlake wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:all good Americans can do is vote.

which is why anti-American Republicans collude with foreign powers, obstruct justice, gerrymander, come up with racist voter ID laws, close precincts in urban areas/college campuses, and otherwise disenfranchise Americans.

oh - and stop watching/reading the "news"...

Exactly. And thats where 100% of Democrats focus should be. Impeachment at this point is just a dog and pony show.

JFC people, Trump is sitting in his own hotel in NYC billing the government probably millions for it. For profit. And nobody gives a damn.

So if he loses, let him skate? If he wins, what then?

by **Rocinante** 2019-09-25, 14:49

kingstonlake wrote:
Rocinante wrote:

They “have a channel”? Why because Steele was a former MI6 dude? This is still not a foreign government. And Clinton’s campaign took it over after Trump was nominated, yes.

Yes.

Retired intel folks work for oppo research all. the. time. That is not a government or a head of state being directly solicited.

by **kingstonlake** 2019-09-25, 14:49

Guys, Guiliani is Trumps personal attorney. Grey area with TONS of wiggle room. Unless you can find a direct money/aid connection to this NOTHING is happening. Sure, they can impeach, but yeah. Nothing burger.

by **kingstonlake** 2019-09-25, 14:52

Rocinante wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

Exactly. And thats where 100% of Democrats focus should be. Impeachment at this point is just a dog and pony show.

JFC people, Trump is sitting in his own hotel in NYC billing the government probably millions for it. For profit. And nobody gives a damn.

So if he loses, let him skate? If he wins, what then?

Good point. The timing of this a huge failure on the Dem side. Fighting a war on two fronts is a no win situation. I do think he has very serious legal problems when he's out of office.

by **Rocinante** 2019-09-25, 14:55

I think they should proceed as if there is no election. They have a bunch of vulnerable Dems on board now. The fact that they have signed on to a formal inquiry could be telling about where the middle is shifting.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2019-09-25, 14:57

per mainstream media, Ukranian president likes the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator and thinks he did nothing wrong.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, during a meeting in New York with President Trump, told reporters Wednesday that he was not pressured to investigate the Biden family during their now-controversial phone call over the summer.

“Nobody pushed me,” Zelensky said.

“We had a great phone call,” Zelensky added. “It was normal.”

Caution: Mainstream Media Link

by **kingstonlake** 2019-09-25, 14:57

Acting Intel director has threatened to resign if the white house pressures him that he is not allowed to speak freely.

Saying he has sworn allegiance to the Constitution 11 times and that is not changing without a legal precedent for him to do so.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2019-09-25, 15:03

kingstonlake wrote:Acting Intel director has threatened to resign if the white house pressures him that he is not allowed to speak freely.

Saying he has sworn allegiance to the Constitution 11 times and that is not changing without a legal precedent for him to do so.

he'd better get his letter of resignation ready.

by **kingstonlake** 2019-09-25, 15:06

Supposedly Pelosi wants the impeachment inquiry to be solely focused on the Ukraine issue.

She has to have seen the complaint or has information.

by **Jake from State Farm** 2019-09-25, 15:13

kingstonlake wrote:Supposedly Pelosi wants the impeachment inquiry to be solely focused on the Ukraine issue.

She has to have seen the complaint or has information.

Possible they're doing this to protect Biden? His son was making $50k/month working for the Ukrainians. I suppose it may all come out in the end.

by **kingstonlake** 2019-09-25, 15:19

Jake from State Farm wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:Supposedly Pelosi wants the impeachment inquiry to be solely focused on the Ukraine issue.

She has to have seen the complaint or has information.

Possible they're doing this to protect Biden? His son was making $50k/month working for the Ukrainians. I suppose it may all come out in the end.

If it were Trump he'd just be "a good businessman."

by **Jake from State Farm** 2019-09-25, 15:26

kingstonlake wrote:
Jake from State Farm wrote:

Possible they're doing this to protect Biden? His son was making $50k/month working for the Ukrainians. I suppose it may all come out in the end.

If it were Trump he'd just be "a good businessman."

The experience is probably about equal.

by **kingstonlake** 2019-09-25, 15:31

There’s no doubt the guy is as dumb as a box of rocks. But how fucking cataclysmically dumb do you have to be to make that call after two years of the mueller investigation?

by **kingstonlake** 2019-09-25, 15:33

I saw where someone said you can probably get away with breaking the law when you’re doing it from within your band of misfits.

Doing it with the intelligence community helicoptering your every move is a different story.

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