Just more blue wall crap.

DWags wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
Perhaps in Michigan it creates damage.  But I can tell you looking from the outside nobody else cares.  Penn State fans don’t think Michigan is getting better coverage than MSU.  Most fans care about their own school and that’s it.  As I mentioned in another thread, Penn State gets all the press in this state, but no one says there is a blue wall.  I think the issue is more about insecurity.  Every Spartan fan knows Walker won the awards, but for some reason need to read it in the Freep for some sort of self gratification.  It’s odd.  The best way to get media attention is to ignore them.  They need the business and will respond accordingly.

Now compare Anderson coverage who was directly connected to football and basketball with Nassar coverage who had nothing to do with it. We lost untold millions in income. Including African countries who pulled their programs with us.

If we just don’t call it journalism I’m good with it. I get PR stuff. Just call it what it is. Less aggravating.

I don’t read a line of words by these jokers about either school. But let’s not pretend it doesn’t effect bottom lines. It does. So, if we’re all good with it, then let ‘em be.

DWags wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
Perhaps in Michigan it creates damage.  But I can tell you looking from the outside nobody else cares.  Penn State fans don’t think Michigan is getting better coverage than MSU.  Most fans care about their own school and that’s it.  As I mentioned in another thread, Penn State gets all the press in this state, but no one says there is a blue wall.  I think the issue is more about insecurity.  Every Spartan fan knows Walker won the awards, but for some reason need to read it in the Freep for some sort of self gratification.  It’s odd.  The best way to get media attention is to ignore them.  They need the business and will respond accordingly.

Now compare Anderson coverage who was directly connected to football and basketball with Nassar coverage who had nothing to do with it. We lost untold millions in income. Including African countries who pulled their programs with us.

If we just don’t call it journalism I’m good with it. I get PR stuff. Just call it what it is. Less aggravating.

I don’t read a line of words by these jokers about either school. But let’s not pretend it doesn’t effect bottom lines. It does. So, if we’re all good with it, then let ‘em be.

PennSpartan wrote:

DWags wrote:


Now compare Anderson coverage who was directly connected to football and basketball with Nassar coverage who had nothing to do with it. We lost untold millions in income. Including African countries who pulled their programs with us.

If we just don’t call it journalism I’m good with it. I get PR stuff. Just call it what it is. Less aggravating.

I don’t read a line of words by these jokers about either school. But let’s not pretend it doesn’t effect bottom lines. It does. So, if we’re all good with it, then let ‘em be.

MSU got everything they deserved with regard to the Nassar disaster. It was an absolute clusterfuck. Comparing crimes is pointless. There are people in this country who get more time for shoplifting than others do for murder. Our legal system sucks.

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Some of us do, ignore it that is.

I have a routine of news reading that mostly avoids the Blue Wall, M-Live, a WEB site for what once were the Booth Newspaper chain in Michigan, which includes the former Bay City Times & Ann Arbor News, is the one Blue Wall site I look at every morning.  Today on my feed they had a UofM article about the third one down, in the middle of the page, with a picture of him celebrating a play, about how the DE would likely be the number one pick of the draft, which is basically delusion given that he isn't the best DE in the nation by far, and way down at the bottom left-hand side of their WEB page the Keith Walker article, which starts out "Keith Walker wasn't a Heisman Finalist ..." and then goes on the report on his awards in a backhanded sort of way...

I ignore these, too, as if I want to read about sports, I go elsewhere, this site and others.  The issue is, as other point out, this blatant favoring of UofM hurts MSU in public perception.  I have family members, cousins, who really haven't got a clue about the strengths and weaknesses of each school, to the point that, one of their children, who wanted to study Physics, was accepted at MSU in the top Physics program in the US, with an internship offered, and at UofM.  They were all negative about MSU and excited about UofM.  That is the damage the Blue Wall creates.

Perhaps in Michigan it creates damage.  But I can tell you looking from the outside nobody else cares.  Penn State fans don’t think Michigan is getting better coverage than MSU.  Most fans care about their own school and that’s it.  As I mentioned in another thread, Penn State gets all the press in this state, but no one says there is a blue wall.  I think the issue is more about insecurity.  Every Spartan fan knows Walker won the awards, but for some reason need to read it in the Freep for some sort of self gratification.  It’s odd.  The best way to get media attention is to ignore them.  They need the business and will respond accordingly.

DWags wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
MSU got everything they deserved with regard to the Nassar disaster. It was an absolute clusterfuck. Comparing crimes is pointless. There are people in this country who get more time for shoplifting than others do for murder. Our legal system sucks.

Dantonio and Izzo got way more than they deserved and you bet your ass I’ll compare that. 100% of the time.

Trapper Gus wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
Perhaps in Michigan it creates damage.  But I can tell you looking from the outside nobody else cares.  Penn State fans don’t think Michigan is getting better coverage than MSU.  Most fans care about their own school and that’s it.  As I mentioned in another thread, Penn State gets all the press in this state, but no one says there is a blue wall.  I think the issue is more about insecurity.  Every Spartan fan knows Walker won the awards, but for some reason need to read it in the Freep for some sort of self gratification.  It’s odd.  The best way to get media attention is to ignore them.  They need the business and will respond accordingly.

Pretty much what DWags said.  It might be mostly in Michigan but this shit is hurting MSU's bottom line in a number of ways, and people in Washington DC read it too.

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Pretty much what DWags said.  It might be mostly in Michigan but this shit is hurting MSU's bottom line in a number of ways, and people in Washington DC read it too.

The Detroit media is that powerful? Interesting. I’ve never even seen a copy sold outside of Michigan.

Probably CF wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
The Detroit media is that powerful? Interesting. I’ve never even seen a copy sold outside of Michigan.

I know we’re all oldhead Spartans here but sold… physical copies… of a newspaper?…

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Pretty much what DWags said.  It might be mostly in Michigan but this shit is hurting MSU's bottom line in a number of ways, and people in Washington DC read it too.

The Detroit media is that powerful? Interesting. I’ve never even seen a copy sold outside of Michigan.

PennSpartan wrote:

Probably CF wrote:
I know we’re all oldhead Spartans here but sold… physical copies… of a newspaper?…

The NY Times is in my grocery store every day. So are a number of others. But do you really think anyone outside of Michigan reads the online Free Press or Detroit news unless they have some connection to Michigan?? I can tell you in my area I’ve never heard anyone even mention those papers.

Probably CF wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
The NY Times is in my grocery store every day. So are a number of others. But do you really think anyone outside of Michigan reads the online Free Press or Detroit news unless they have some connection to Michigan?? I can tell you in my area I’ve never heard anyone even mention those papers.

I’m just saying “never seen a copy sold” outside the state is like asking where the internet is located.

PennSpartan wrote:I don’t get it. Everyone complains about the Blue Wall. But everyone reads the Blue Wall. Just ignore it.

tGreenWay wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:I don’t get it.  Everyone complains about the Blue Wall.  But everyone reads the Blue Wall.  Just ignore it.  

Maybe we’ll just ignore you, you sonavabitch!

Trapper Gus wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:


Maybe we’ll just ignore you, you sonavabitch!

To come back from Penn's side - most of the world doesn't see what we see in Michigan.

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

To come back from Penn's side - most of the world doesn't see what we see in Michigan.

I’m not offended, Trapper.  I just see too much victim mentality in Spartan fans.  Look at a game thread on the RCMB sometime.  They claim:
- the refs hate MSU
- the announcers hate MSU
- the media hates MSU
- the Big Ten hates MSU
- the Networks hate MSU
It’s really over the top in my opinion.

DWags wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
Perhaps in Michigan it creates damage.  But I can tell you looking from the outside nobody else cares.  Penn State fans don’t think Michigan is getting better coverage than MSU.  Most fans care about their own school and that’s it.  As I mentioned in another thread, Penn State gets all the press in this state, but no one says there is a blue wall.  I think the issue is more about insecurity.  Every Spartan fan knows Walker won the awards, but for some reason need to read it in the Freep for some sort of self gratification.  It’s odd.  The best way to get media attention is to ignore them.  They need the business and will respond accordingly.

Now compare Anderson coverage who was directly connected to football and basketball with Nassar coverage who had nothing to do with it. We lost untold millions in income. Including African countries who pulled their programs with us.

If we just don’t call it journalism I’m good with it. I get PR stuff. Just call it what it is. Less aggravating.

I don’t read a line of words by these jokers about either school. But let’s not pretend it doesn’t effect bottom lines. It does. So, if we’re all good with it, then let ‘em be.

tGreenWay wrote:

DWags wrote:


Now compare Anderson coverage who was directly connected to football and basketball with Nassar coverage who had nothing to do with it. We lost untold millions in income. Including African countries who pulled their programs with us.

If we just don’t call it journalism I’m good with it. I get PR stuff. Just call it what it is. Less aggravating.

I don’t read a line of words by these jokers about either school. But let’s not pretend it doesn’t effect bottom lines. It does. So, if we’re all good with it, then let ‘em be.

This is the part I don’t understand. I’ll read Solari because he’s a friend, ans even if I don’t read his work, I’ll click it open so he gets credit. We all know newspapers push clicks. We all know it, though I didn’t actually get direct confirmation until a couple of years ago when another friend at a different paper said he was getting pressure for page views. So if the suits at the top want reporters getting more clicks, why the hell isn’t the freep and News doing a much better job servicing the other major University in the state? It makes no business sense at all. Commit the money to feeding the other half of your audience what it wants to read, recover the investment with views, then enjoy the ride up in profits and circulation. Instead, we get what we have now, and since it sucks so bad, even I ignore almost all of it, and I’m a MSUJRN grad.

kingstonlake wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:



This is the part I don’t understand. I’ll read Solari because he’s a friend, ans even if I don’t read his work, I’ll click it open so he gets credit. We all know newspapers push clicks. We all know it, though I didn’t actually get direct confirmation until a couple of years ago when another friend at a different paper said he was getting pressure for page views. So if the suits at the top want reporters getting more clicks, why the hell isn’t the freep and News doing a much better job servicing the other major University in the state? It makes no business sense at all. Commit the money to feeding the other half of your audience what it wants to read, recover the investment with views, then enjoy the ride up in profits and circulation. Instead, we get what we have now, and since it sucks so bad, even I ignore almost all of it, and I’m a MSUJRN grad.

I didn't know you were a janitor nurse.

Trapper Gus wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:I don’t get it.  Everyone complains about the Blue Wall.  But everyone reads the Blue Wall.  Just ignore it.  

Some of us do, ignore it that is.

I have a routine of news reading that mostly avoids the Blue Wall, M-Live, a WEB site for what once were the Booth Newspaper chain in Michigan, which includes the former Bay City Times & Ann Arbor News, is the one Blue Wall site I look at every morning.  Today on my feed they had a UofM article about the third one down, in the middle of the page, with a picture of him celebrating a play, about how the DE would likely be the number one pick of the draft, which is basically delusion given that he isn't the best DE in the nation by far, and way down at the bottom left-hand side of their WEB page the Keith Walker article, which starts out "Keith Walker wasn't a Heisman Finalist ..." and then goes on the report on his awards in a backhanded sort of way...

I ignore these, too, as if I want to read about sports, I go elsewhere, this site and others.  The issue is, as other point out, this blatant favoring of UofM hurts MSU in public perception.  I have family members, cousins, who really haven't got a clue about the strengths and weaknesses of each school, to the point that, one of their children, who wanted to study Physics, was accepted at MSU in the top Physics program in the US, with an internship offered, and at UofM.  They were all negative about MSU and excited about UofM.  That is the damage the Blue Wall creates.

Jake from State Farm wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Some of us do, ignore it that is.

I have a routine of news reading that mostly avoids the Blue Wall, M-Live, a WEB site for what once were the Booth Newspaper chain in Michigan, which includes the former Bay City Times & Ann Arbor News, is the one Blue Wall site I look at every morning.  Today on my feed they had a UofM article about the third one down, in the middle of the page, with a picture of him celebrating a play, about how the DE would likely be the number one pick of the draft, which is basically delusion given that he isn't the best DE in the nation by far, and way down at the bottom left-hand side of their WEB page the Keith Walker article, which starts out "Keith Walker wasn't a Heisman Finalist ..." and then goes on the report on his awards in a backhanded sort of way...

I ignore these, too, as if I want to read about sports, I go elsewhere, this site and others.  The issue is, as other point out, this blatant favoring of UofM hurts MSU in public perception.  I have family members, cousins, who really haven't got a clue about the strengths and weaknesses of each school, to the point that, one of their children, who wanted to study Physics, was accepted at MSU in the top Physics program in the US, with an internship offered, and at UofM.  They were all negative about MSU and excited about UofM.  That is the damage the Blue Wall creates.

Yeah, I've got a nephew that has never set foot in this state and he's a walvie, even though a few of his relatives have graduated from MSU and there are no family ties whatsoever to scUM

tGreenWay wrote:

DWags wrote:


Now compare Anderson coverage who was directly connected to football and basketball with Nassar coverage who had nothing to do with it. We lost untold millions in income. Including African countries who pulled their programs with us.

If we just don’t call it journalism I’m good with it. I get PR stuff. Just call it what it is. Less aggravating.

I don’t read a line of words by these jokers about either school. But let’s not pretend it doesn’t effect bottom lines. It does. So, if we’re all good with it, then let ‘em be.

This is the part I don’t understand. I’ll read Solari because he’s a friend, ans even if I don’t read his work, I’ll click it open so he gets credit. We all know newspapers push clicks. We all know it, though I didn’t actually get direct confirmation until a couple of years ago when another friend at a different paper said he was getting pressure for page views. So if the suits at the top want reporters getting more clicks, why the hell isn’t the freep and News doing a much better job servicing the other major University in the state? It makes no business sense at all. Commit the money to feeding the other half of your audience what it wants to read, recover the investment with views, then enjoy the ride up in profits and circulation. Instead, we get what we have now, and since it sucks so bad, even I ignore almost all of it, and I’m a MSUJRN grad.

PennSpartan wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:



This is the part I don’t understand. I’ll read Solari because he’s a friend, ans even if I don’t read his work, I’ll click it open so he gets credit. We all know newspapers push clicks. We all know it, though I didn’t actually get direct confirmation until a couple of years ago when another friend at a different paper said he was getting pressure for page views. So if the suits at the top want reporters getting more clicks, why the hell isn’t the freep and News doing a much better job servicing the other major University in the state? It makes no business sense at all. Commit the money to feeding the other half of your audience what it wants to read, recover the investment with views, then enjoy the ride up in profits and circulation. Instead, we get what we have now, and since it sucks so bad, even I ignore almost all of it, and I’m a MSUJRN grad.

You should ask Solari why they favor Michigan if you feel they do. I have to think these companies have figured out who their customers are and are catering to them. I’ve heard many MSU fans say they won’t read/click on Detroit media articles so it seems to make sense they write to the Michigan crowd more.

Trapper Gus wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
You should ask Solari why they favor Michigan if you feel they do. I have to think these companies have figured out who their customers are and are catering to them. I’ve heard many MSU fans say they won’t read/click on Detroit media articles so it seems to make sense they write to the Michigan crowd more.

the writers work for editors who work for publishers... grow up already

PennSpartan wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:



This is the part I don’t understand. I’ll read Solari because he’s a friend, ans even if I don’t read his work, I’ll click it open so he gets credit. We all know newspapers push clicks. We all know it, though I didn’t actually get direct confirmation until a couple of years ago when another friend at a different paper said he was getting pressure for page views. So if the suits at the top want reporters getting more clicks, why the hell isn’t the freep and News doing a much better job servicing the other major University in the state? It makes no business sense at all. Commit the money to feeding the other half of your audience what it wants to read, recover the investment with views, then enjoy the ride up in profits and circulation. Instead, we get what we have now, and since it sucks so bad, even I ignore almost all of it, and I’m a MSUJRN grad.

You should ask Solari why they favor Michigan if you feel they do. I have to think these companies have figured out who their customers are and are catering to them. I’ve heard many MSU fans say they won’t read/click on Detroit media articles so it seems to make sense they write to the Michigan crowd more.

tGreenWay wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
You should ask Solari why they favor Michigan if you feel they do. I have to think these companies have figured out who their customers are and are catering to them. I’ve heard many MSU fans say they won’t read/click on Detroit media articles so it seems to make sense they write to the Michigan crowd more.

I’m not going to ask Solari something he hears from everybody else. We’re friends, and I’m not interested in putting him on the defensive.
Your second point underscores what I mentioned previously. Detroit papers cater to umaa fans more because more of their audience favors umaa. In order to grow the readership of those fans who favor the Spartans, they need to increase their coverage of the Spartans. We’re a pretty sizeable force, too, and if they’re publishing things MSU fans would be interested in, that audience will log in. Put the cart before the horse, so to speak. Invest in coverage, and readership will increase.

PennSpartan wrote:

DWags wrote:

Dantonio and Izzo got way more than they deserved and you bet your ass I’ll compare that. 100% of the time.

I don’t even know what that means.

DWags wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
I don’t even know what that means.

I’m guessing yes.

PennSpartan wrote:

DWags wrote:

I’m guessing yes.

I’m guessing this blue wall stuff is eating a hole in your stomach. You might want to think about that.

PennSpartan wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:


I’m not going to ask Solari something he hears from everybody else. We’re friends, and I’m not interested in putting him on the defensive.
Your second point underscores what I mentioned previously. Detroit papers cater to umaa fans more because more of their audience favors umaa. In order to grow the readership of those fans who favor the Spartans, they need to increase their coverage of the Spartans. We’re a pretty sizeable force, too, and if they’re publishing things MSU fans would be interested in, that audience will log in. Put the cart before the horse, so to speak. Invest in coverage, and readership will increase.

As I said before, the Spartan fans have spoken (except for me, apparently). They will not click on Detroit media articles.

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Trapper Gus wrote:He was over 50+ MPH on a 25 MPH residential street - who drives that fast - WTF

tGreenWay wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
You should ask Solari why they favor Michigan if you feel they do. I have to think these companies have figured out who their customers are and are catering to them. I’ve heard many MSU fans say they won’t read/click on Detroit media articles so it seems to make sense they write to the Michigan crowd more.

I’m not going to ask Solari something he hears from everybody else. We’re friends, and I’m not interested in putting him on the defensive.
Your second point underscores what I mentioned previously. Detroit papers cater to umaa fans more because more of their audience favors umaa. In order to grow the readership of those fans who favor the Spartans, they need to increase their coverage of the Spartans. We’re a pretty sizeable force, too, and if they’re publishing things MSU fans would be interested in, that audience will log in. Put the cart before the horse, so to speak. Invest in coverage, and readership will increase.

Pervis Muldoon wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:


I’m not going to ask Solari something he hears from everybody else. We’re friends, and I’m not interested in putting him on the defensive.
Your second point underscores what I mentioned previously. Detroit papers cater to umaa fans more because more of their audience favors umaa. In order to grow the readership of those fans who favor the Spartans, they need to increase their coverage of the Spartans. We’re a pretty sizeable force, too, and if they’re publishing things MSU fans would be interested in, that audience will log in. Put the cart before the horse, so to speak. Invest in coverage, and readership will increase.

I wouldn't want you to put your friend on the defensive. Maybe if you just asked how he can live with himself after sacrificing his integrity while taking the Detroit media's blood money, something like that.

Pervis Muldoon wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:


I’m not going to ask Solari something he hears from everybody else. We’re friends, and I’m not interested in putting him on the defensive.
Your second point underscores what I mentioned previously. Detroit papers cater to umaa fans more because more of their audience favors umaa. In order to grow the readership of those fans who favor the Spartans, they need to increase their coverage of the Spartans. We’re a pretty sizeable force, too, and if they’re publishing things MSU fans would be interested in, that audience will log in. Put the cart before the horse, so to speak. Invest in coverage, and readership will increase.

I wouldn't want you to put your friend on the defensive. Maybe if you just asked how he can live with himself after sacrificing his integrity while taking the Detroit media's blood money, something like that.