Biden's First State of the Union Address Is Tonight..

Robert J Sakimano wrote:what will the mainstream media and patriots in the GOP be whining about?

ya think the pro-Russia/pro-Putin republicans will even be there? I could totally see them whining about having to go when there are "more important" things to do.

PennSpartan wrote:The only question tonight is who will trash Biden more in their rebuttals, the Republicans or the Progressives. They both hate him.

Trapper Gus wrote:

The MSM hasn't commented on it.

RQA wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

The MSM hasn't commented on it.

How can you know this? You claim not to "do" MSM.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Ahhh, but what is my definition of MSM, you assume too much, dude.

Trapper Gus wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:The only question tonight is who will trash Biden more in their rebuttals, the Republicans or the Progressives. They both hate him.

It must have made Penn very sad that President Biden went totally in on Progressive positions.

He also hailed the major legislation already passed under his leadership: the American Rescue Plan and the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act. “Unlike the $2 trillion tax cut passed in the previous administration that benefitted the top 1% of Americans, the American Rescue Plan helped working people—and left no one behind,” Biden said in one of the moments that drew loud boos from Republicans. “And it worked. It created jobs. Lots of jobs. In fact, our economy created over 6.5 million new jobs just last year, more jobs created in one year than ever before in the history of America.”

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

It must have made Penn very sad that President Biden went totally in on Progressive positions.

He also hailed the major legislation already passed under his leadership: the American Rescue Plan and the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act. “Unlike the $2 trillion tax cut passed in the previous administration that benefitted the top 1% of Americans, the American Rescue Plan helped working people—and left no one behind,” Biden said in one of the moments that drew loud boos from Republicans. “And it worked. It created jobs. Lots of jobs. In fact, our economy created over 6.5 million new jobs just last year, more jobs created in one year than ever before in the history of America.”

I guess you didn’t hear the Squad voted against the infrastructure bill. And their darling BBB bill went down in flames. No free college. No large scale loan relief. No free daycare. The Progressives are failing miserably and after the midterms their dreams will be dead. Thank you moderate Joe!

RQA wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Ahhh, but what is my definition of MSM, you assume too much, dude.

So your definition of MSM changed from the time you posted "I don't do MSM" to the time you posted  "MSM hasn't commented"

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

It must have made Penn very sad that President Biden went totally in on Progressive positions.

He also hailed the major legislation already passed under his leadership: the American Rescue Plan and the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act. “Unlike the $2 trillion tax cut passed in the previous administration that benefitted the top 1% of Americans, the American Rescue Plan helped working people—and left no one behind,” Biden said in one of the moments that drew loud boos from Republicans. “And it worked. It created jobs. Lots of jobs. In fact, our economy created over 6.5 million new jobs just last year, more jobs created in one year than ever before in the history of America.”

I guess you didn’t hear the Squad voted against the infrastructure bill. And their darling BBB bill went down in flames. No free college. No large scale loan relief. No free daycare. The Progressives are failing miserably and after the midterms their dreams will be dead. Thank you moderate Joe!

Trapper Gus wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
I guess you didn’t hear the Squad voted against the infrastructure bill. And their darling BBB bill went down in flames. No free college. No large scale loan relief. No free daycare. The Progressives are failing miserably and after the midterms their dreams will be dead. Thank you moderate Joe!

We had this discussion, Penn. You are becoming forgetful in your old age.

I see the Senator from WV is floating a smaller package containing much of the BBB programs.

The BBB, Back from the Dead

kingstonlake wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
I guess you didn’t hear the Squad voted against the infrastructure bill. And their darling BBB bill went down in flames. No free college. No large scale loan relief. No free daycare. The Progressives are failing miserably and after the midterms their dreams will be dead. Thank you moderate Joe!

As a non democrat, what are your dreams for midterms?

PennSpartan wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

As a non democrat, what are your dreams for midterms?

As a Biden supporting Democrat, I want to see the Communists like Bernie and AOC curled up in the fetal position crying because their stupid ideas failed. No soup for you!

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

We had this discussion, Penn.  You are becoming forgetful in your old age.

I see the Senator from WV is floating a smaller package containing much of the BBB programs.

The BBB, Back from the Dead

Good luck with that.  Manchin will be in the driver’s seat this time.  No soup for you!

Robert J Sakimano wrote:what will the mainstream media and patriots in the GOP be whining about?

ya think the pro-Russia/pro-Putin republicans will even be there? I could totally see them whining about having to go when there are "more important" things to do.

Trapper Gus wrote:It was an excelled speech ...

Maybe it will inspire the Congress to pass the appropriation bill.

The MSM hasn't commented on it, however President Biden pointed out the large number of bipartisan bills that he has signed.

spartanwill wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:It was an excelled speech ...

Maybe it will inspire the Congress to pass the appropriation bill.

The MSM hasn't commented on it, however President Biden pointed out the large number of bipartisan bills that he has signed.

I thought the president did a pretty good job actually. Especially at the beginning talking about united support for the Ukraine. Surprised he brought up some Trumpian ideas like fund the police. His numbers didn't add up on releasing 60 million barrels of oil (30 US). Don't think that is going to do much. His subservience to the Green Party is gonna really sock it to the consumer at the gas pump. Inflation could really cost him in the midterms and beyond.

kingstonlake wrote:

spartanwill wrote:

I thought the president did a pretty good job actually. Especially at the beginning talking about united support for the Ukraine. Surprised he brought up some Trumpian ideas like fund the police. His numbers didn't add up on releasing 60 million barrels of oil (30 US). Don't think that is going to do much. His subservience to the Green Party is gonna really sock it to the consumer at the gas pump. Inflation could really cost him in the midterms and beyond.

Probably. It’s amazing that people actually think inflation can be caused in 12 months

spartanwill wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:It was an excelled speech ...

Maybe it will inspire the Congress to pass the appropriation bill.

The MSM hasn't commented on it, however President Biden pointed out the large number of bipartisan bills that he has signed.

I thought the president did a pretty good job actually. Especially at the beginning talking about united support for the Ukraine. Surprised he brought up some Trumpian ideas like fund the police. His numbers didn't add up on releasing 60 million barrels of oil (30 US). Don't think that is going to do much. His subservience to the Green Party is gonna really sock it to the consumer at the gas pump. Inflation could really cost him in the midterms and beyond.

Trapper Gus wrote:

spartanwill wrote:

I thought the president did a pretty good job actually. Especially at the beginning talking about united support for the Ukraine. Surprised he brought up some Trumpian ideas like fund the police. His numbers didn't add up on releasing 60 million barrels of oil (30 US). Don't think that is going to do much. His subservience to the Green Party is gonna really sock it to the consumer at the gas pump. Inflation could really cost him in the midterms and beyond.

Really the demonizing of police reform by you guys is nuts. It is long overdue.

spartanwill wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Really the demonizing of police reform by you guys is nuts. It is long overdue.

Sorry, its the presidents words not mine. He took some heat for saying it....which is a fact. I forgot to mention he said enforcing the border too. After the chants of USA USA USA. It almost sounded like a Trump rally.

Trapper Gus wrote:

spartanwill wrote:

Sorry, its the presidents words not mine. He took some heat for saying it....which is a fact. I forgot to mention he said enforcing the border too. After the chants of USA USA USA. It almost sounded like a Trump rally.

Oh sure, he called main stream ideas, "Trumpian". You are such a RWNJ partisan

Trapper Gus wrote:Not upset, just annoyed that you believe the lies about police funding.

spartanwill wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:Not upset, just annoyed that you believe the lies about police funding.

Apparently some liberal cities have seen the light.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/portland-among-u-s-cities-adding-funds-to-police-departments.

Again take it up with the President, he's the one who spoke to it during the SOTU address.

Trapper Gus wrote:

spartanwill wrote:

Apparently some liberal cities have seen the light.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/portland-among-u-s-cities-adding-funds-to-police-departments.

Again take it up with the President, he's the one who spoke to it during the SOTU address.

Dude, it is a position that he and the Democratic Party have always supported. You claiming it was stealing from Trump is just a lie.

Trapper Gus wrote:

spartanwill wrote:

Apparently some liberal cities have seen the light.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/portland-among-u-s-cities-adding-funds-to-police-departments.

Again take it up with the President, he's the one who spoke to it during the SOTU address.

Dude, it is a position that he and the Democratic Party have always supported. You claiming it was stealing from Trump is just a lie.

spartanwill wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Dude, it is a position that he and the Democratic Party have always supported. You claiming it was stealing from Trump is just a lie.

You mean Democrats except those running Portland, Minneapolis, LA, NY and other liberal run cities who literally cut funds.....and now regret it. Compounded by George Soros financed DAs, the rise in crime will be major issue in the Fall.

I will grant you that Biden's position is unchanged but why would he bring it up during SOTU address? Especially since funding is a local issue. Its nothing more than a campaign slogan. Remember 37%.

Trapper Gus wrote:

spartanwill wrote:

You mean Democrats except those running Portland, Minneapolis, LA, NY and other liberal run cities who literally cut funds.....and now regret it. Compounded by George Soros financed DAs, the rise in crime will be major issue in the Fall.

I will grant you that Biden's position is unchanged but why would he bring it up during SOTU address? Especially since funding is a local issue. Its nothing more than a campaign slogan. Remember 37%.

The local reorganizations envision both having police & having people more appropriate for many of the things that the police are forced to do but for which they are not trained for. Only the RWNJ anti freedom people don't understand this.

Are you one of those?

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Dude, it is a position that he and the Democratic Party have always supported. You claiming it was stealing from Trump is just a lie.

GOP christians lying?? Don't they know that would make god sad?

Trapper Gus wrote:While violent crime was up in 2020, before any of the BLM reforms, crime overall was down, that dog won't hunt.

Public Safety funding was not cut.  

It was moved to other areas which have people who are trained to deal with situations that the police, many of whom have only a high school education and are ex-military still dealing with PTSD, are not capable of dealing with, other than murdering people.

Police training do by charlatan ex-military who train the police to shoot to kill first and ask questions later, combined with white privilege, is no way to run a police department, and no way to ensure public safety.

NPR Article wrote:Aaron Chalfin, a University of Pennsylvania criminologist who has studied four decades of police budgets in major cities, says 54 percent of the times that cities hired more officers, homicide numbers decreased. Many factors are at play in the fluctuation of crime rates, including the number of officers and police department budgets. Other factors include financial and mental health struggles caused by the pandemic, the economy, programs for young people and even the amount of street lighting.

There are “a million things that drive crime up and down,” Chalfin said.

Trapper Gus wrote:If you want to show that you have a point go ahead and provide links to the data.

However, from the one link you have posted here is a quote that totally shows that hiring more police has no real correlation with crime rates.  

It says that half the time more police are hired crime rates went up.

NPR Article wrote:Aaron Chalfin, a University of Pennsylvania criminologist who has studied four decades of police budgets in major cities, says 54 percent of the times that cities hired more officers, homicide numbers decreased. Many factors are at play in the fluctuation of crime rates, including the number of officers and police department budgets. Other factors include financial and mental health struggles caused by the pandemic, the economy, programs for young people and even the amount of street lighting.

There are “a million things that drive crime up and down,” Chalfin said.

spartanwill wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:If you want to show that you have a point go ahead and provide links to the data.

However, from the one link you have posted here is a quote that totally shows that hiring more police has no real correlation with crime rates.  

It says that half the time more police are hired crime rates went up.

https://www.kare11.com/article/news/crime/mayor-frey-updates-violent-crime-battle-in-minneapolis/89-6b3bbd7c-43ab-49b8-b148-0f8a15e5b2da

https://www.opb.org/article/2022/01/15/2021-was-a-record-year-for-homicides-in-portland/#:~:text=From%202019%20to%202020%2C%20Portland,%25%2C%20based%20on%20FBI%20data.

You really have to ask yourself, why are these liberal controlled cities walking back/rejecting defund the police actions?

KARE - 11 wrote:MINNEAPOLIS — The city of Minneapolis is not alone in facing a recent spike in violent crime that includes an increase in homicides, carjackings and other criminal acts that have residents demanding action.

Crime rates are up in many metropolitan areas across the country, and criminologists are blaming the COVID pandemic and conflicts over race and politics.

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Along with sworn officers, Huffman said the city will be hiring 40 community service officers, people with strong character and a desire to serve their city. Candidates don't need a law enforcement degree, only a high school diploma and a will to help improve relations between residents and the department.

Oregon Public Broadcasting wrote:Portland wasn’t the only American city to set a new mark for number of killings in a year. Philadelphia, Albuquerque, New Mexico, and Lexington, Kentucky, were among the places that also saw record-high homicides in 2021.

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Killings have been on the rise in Portland for the past few years. From 2019 to 2020, Portland had a sharper rise in killings — an 83% increase — than nearly all major cities. At the time, nationally homicides had increased by nearly 30%, based on FBI data.

City police and officials say last year’s increase — which disproportionally impacted Portland’s Black community — was fueled by gang-related arguments, drug deals gone array and disputes among people living on the streets. In addition, the situation was exacerbated by the pandemic, economic hardships and mental health crises.

In a May statement, Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler warned residents that “groups” were traveling to the city from Washington and California to “engage in and advance gun violence.” In addition, Wheeler said “groups involved in this violence have issued an order to shoot someone in the next 30 days or be shot for not showing loyalty.”

Liberal News Reporting ,,, wrote:It started initially in Denver, with four professionals, in 2016.

Now it has 32 professionals including 15 volunteers which include behavioral and medical health clinicians who have responded to over 2,300 calls that have reported mental health crises including drug and alcohol use, assistance to those with mental issues such as schizophrenia and delusions and severe depression that has led to suicidal tendencies.

And in all these calls, according to this report released last month, not once, not a single time has the police had to be called as back- up for a threat to safety.