The 2024 US House & Senate (& Presidential Election) and the Michigan Legislature - Who do you Think Wins?

VoteCast, a broad survey of the midterm electorate, found 7 in 10 voters said the high court’s ruling on abortion rights was an important factor in their midterm decisions. VoteCast also showed the decision was broadly unpopular. About 6 in 10 say they are angry or dissatisfied by it. And roughly 6 in 10 say they favor a law guaranteeing access to legal abortion nationwide.

Voters with no religious affiliation supported Democratic candidates and abortion rights by staggering percentages in the 2022 midterm elections.

And they’re voting in large numbers. In 2022, some 22% of voters claimed no religious affiliation, according to AP VoteCast, an expansive survey of more than 94,000 voters nationwide. They contributed to voting coalitions that gave Democrats victories in battleground states such as Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Arizona.

If Sen. Raphael Warnock (D-Ga.) wins his runoff Tuesday, expect rising buzz he could be a promising Democratic presidential candidate in 2024, if President Biden doesn't run, or beyond...

Trapper Gus wrote:People are talking about Warnock.

If Sen. Raphael Warnock (D-Ga.) wins his runoff Tuesday, expect rising buzz he could be a promising Democratic presidential candidate in 2024, if President Biden doesn't run, or beyond...

Trapper Gus wrote:People are talking about Warnock.

If Sen. Raphael Warnock (D-Ga.) wins his runoff Tuesday, expect rising buzz he could be a promising Democratic presidential candidate in 2024, if President Biden doesn't run, or beyond...

NigelUno wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:People are talking about Warnock.

Who said that?

GRR Spartan wrote:If Biden steps aside I guessing the Democrats may nominate CA Gov. Gavin Newsome, Illinois Gov Pritzker or NJ junior US Senator Cory Booker.

GRR Spartan wrote:If Biden steps aside I guessing the Democrats may nominate CA Gov. Gavin Newsome, Illinois Gov Pritzker or NJ junior US Senator Cory Booker.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:If Biden steps aside I guessing the Democrats may nominate CA Gov. Gavin Newsome, Illinois Gov Pritzker or NJ junior US Senator Cory Booker.

I definitely think Newsome is angling for a presidential run.

A substantial chunk of Republican voters still believe that the party’s establishment is as bad, if not worse, than liberals and Democrats. They believe the Mitch McConnells (sic) of the world feign support for the MAGA movement but only care about protecting their positions of power.

The Democrats Have a Deeper Bench Than You Think

Paul Krugman wrote:If the midterm elections could be rerun this month, Democrats would probably end up in full control of Congress. President Biden’s approval ratings are rising. Inflation is down, and consumers are feeling more optimistic. And Americans are getting a better look at the G.O.P.’s actual policy agenda, which is deeply unpopular.

OK, we don’t give politicians who lost an election the opportunity for a mulligan, even when they falsely claim that the election was stolen. But it is, I think, worth noting just how much the economic and hence political environment has shifted in the past few months, and to start thinking seriously about the possibility that Democrats might be in a startlingly strong position next year.

Trapper Gus wrote:https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/12/29/2024-candidates-2022-00074972

Donald Trump

1 - Florida Governor Ron DeSantis
2 - Ex-VP Mike Pence
3 - John Bolton
4 - Ex US Representative Liz Cheney
5 - Ex New Jersey Governor Chris Christie
6 - New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu
7 - Ex Governor Nikki Haley
8 - Ex Maryland Governor Larry Hogan
9 - Ex Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson
10 - South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem
11 - Mike Pompeo
12 - Senator Ted Cruz
13 - Senator Marco Rubio
14 - Senator Tim Scott
15 - Georgia Governor Brian Kemp
16 - Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin

After a shellacking that wiped them out of power in every branch of state government for the first time in 40 years, Michigan Republicans are discordantly wrestling with an uncertain future.

The front-runners to be the next state GOP chair are failed candidates from 2022 who lost their races after hewing closely to former President Donald Trump’s election conspiracy theories. A sizable faction of Republican state lawmakers, meanwhile, is eager to move on from Trump, who is running for the White House again in 2024, and encouraging Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis to challenge him.

Trapper Gus wrote:

After a shellacking that wiped them out of power in every branch of state government for the first time in 40 years, Michigan Republicans are discordantly wrestling with an uncertain future.

The front-runners to be the next state GOP chair are failed candidates from 2022 who lost their races after hewing closely to former President Donald Trump’s election conspiracy theories. A sizable faction of Republican state lawmakers, meanwhile, is eager to move on from Trump, who is running for the White House again in 2024, and encouraging Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis to challenge him.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/michigan-gop-turmoil-leaders-navigate-tricky-trump-terrain-rcna68276

AvgMSUJoe wrote:That whole list and you didn't even have one of the ones I like...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gina_Raimondo
Secretary of Commerce... Harvard, Yale, Oxford... former Governor. Supposedly, a business oriented Dem.

DetFreep wrote:Michigan Republican Party reliant on just 2 donor families, records show

Troy attorney Linda Orlans says she was drawn to the Michigan Republican Party because she believes in hard work, entrepreneurship and a tax climate supportive of small business.

Between 2007 and 2013, Orlans gave the state party eight checks totaling $80,000, records show. But she has given nothing since.

"I just think they lost their soul," said Orlans, who said the party has shifted to the "extreme right," is not focused on solving problems and increasingly espouses an anti-woman philosophy. "The more I saw, the more I was disenchanted with the direction of the party."

Orlans is not alone. A Free Press analysis of state campaign finance records found the Michigan Republican Party has seen such a drop-off in its donor base that 58% of the money it raised from individual donors since 2018 came from just two sources: Ron Weiser and the DeVos family.

TravelinMan wrote:I'd love to see Jared Polis (D) vs. Elizabeth Cheney (R).

I'd love to own a 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO and date Taylor Swift, too, but such is life.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:I'd love to see Jared Polis (D) vs. Elizabeth Cheney (R).

I'd love to own a 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO and date Taylor Swift, too, but such is life.

If Biden doesn't run the field for the Dems is wide open, Chaney is a lost cause unless she goes third party.

Polis's economic principles, as far as can be seen, suck.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

If Biden doesn't run the field for the Dems is wide open, Chaney is a lost cause unless she goes third party.

Polis's economic principles, as far as can be seen, suck.

What do you have against Polis' economic principles?

Governor Polis’ priority is to foster an economy that works for everyone and protect what makes Colorado the best state in the country to live, work, start a business, raise a family, and retire.

By growing our economy through good-paying green jobs that can never be outsourced, employee-owned business creation, and infrastructure to enable entrepreneurship in all parts of the state, the Polis Administration will safeguard our Colorado way of life and ensure more Coloradans benefit from the state’s economic growth.

The Polis Administration is prepared to hit the ground running by taking on efforts to expand access to broadband services, ensure equal pay for equal work, and support our rich tradition of farming and ranching with the tools needed in a 21st Century economy. These advances will go hand-in-hand with steps to protect the most important part of our economy: working Coloradans.

And Governor Polis is dedicated to keeping Colorado affordable. By focusing on implementing policies that distribute tax break benefits fairly, the administration is committed to putting working families before special interests.

Sounds OK to me.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

What do you have against Polis' economic principles?

Governor Polis’ priority is to foster an economy that works for everyone and protect what makes Colorado the best state in the country to live, work, start a business, raise a family, and retire.

By growing our economy through good-paying green jobs that can never be outsourced, employee-owned business creation, and infrastructure to enable entrepreneurship in all parts of the state, the Polis Administration will safeguard our Colorado way of life and ensure more Coloradans benefit from the state’s economic growth.

The Polis Administration is prepared to hit the ground running by taking on efforts to expand access to broadband services, ensure equal pay for equal work, and support our rich tradition of farming and ranching with the tools needed in a 21st Century economy. These advances will go hand-in-hand with steps to protect the most important part of our economy: working Coloradans.

And Governor Polis is dedicated to keeping Colorado affordable. By focusing on implementing policies that distribute tax break benefits fairly, the administration is committed to putting working families before special interests.

Sounds OK to me.

I bet he says he loves puppies and kittens, too.  Meaning that statement is pure feel-good BS, giving no indication of what policies he supports to accomplish these platitudes.

IMO the US, since the JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter & Reagen Administrations forced a hard right turn back to the principles of government policies which were being followed prior to Theordore Roosevelt, has been sliding down the slippery slope to a country of Kings, Lords & Serfs.  Biden is really the first President to challenge some of that in any meaningful way, and that is partly due to Biden himself but mostly due to the increasing power of the Progressive Wing of the Democratic Congress.

I see nothing in Governor Polis which suggests that his economic policies would be strongly pro-worker (the 99%) and strongly anti-corporate leaders (the 1%), and his background suggest that he would be the opposite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Polis

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

I bet he says he loves puppies and kittens, too.  Meaning that statement is pure feel-good BS, giving no indication of what policies he supports to accomplish these platitudes.

IMO the US, since the JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter & Reagen Administrations forced a hard right turn back to the principles of government policies which were being followed prior to Theordore Roosevelt, has been sliding down the slippery slope to a country of Kings, Lords & Serfs.  Biden is really the first President to challenge some of that in any meaningful way, and that is partly due to Biden himself but mostly due to the increasing power of the Progressive Wing of the Democratic Congress.

I see nothing in Governor Polis which suggests that his economic policies would be strongly pro-worker (the 99%) and strongly anti-corporate leaders (the 1%), and his background suggest that he would be the opposite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Polis

I mean... his political fluff is just as fluffy as anyone else's, I guess.

Colorado is a tricky state.  Very strong mix of liberal blue and hardcore right red.  Polis somehow manages to appeal to both sides.  No politician is perfect, but I like him.  He's far more palatable and likely to work the middle than Bernie, AOC, Beto, Warren, and that type.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

I mean... his political fluff is just as fluffy as anyone else's, I guess.

Colorado is a tricky state.  Very strong mix of liberal blue and hardcore right red.  Polis somehow manages to appeal to both sides.  No politician is perfect, but I like him.  He's far more palatable and likely to work the middle than Bernie, AOC, Beto, Warren, and that type.

I agree that he seems like a good politician, and in my book that is not an insult, what politicians do is very hard to do, and I respect them for that.

However, I am expressing my opinion of him, not evaluating his chances, and the lack of any statement of position on economic issues, beyond fluff, which smart politically, concerns me.  Remember that my fav last time was Senator Warren, who has astutely managed to put a number of her people in the Biden administration where they are doing well at creating a rational economic set of policies which are moving the economy back to one that works for the workers.

I do like that he is a Governor, which typically means that he has more experience running a government than say a Senator. Biden is sort of a special case, having so much time in Washington and of course having been the Veep.

One other item, which while there and which is a huge concern, but not so much as economics, is his seeming lack of foreign policy exposure, which maybe in the 1990's would not be an issue, but now that we are smack dab back in "The Great Game" is a concern.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

I agree that he seems like a good politician, and in my book that is not an insult, what politicians do is very hard to do, and I respect them for that.

However, I am expressing my opinion of him, not evaluating his chances, and the lack of any statement of position on economic issues, beyond fluff, which smart politically, concerns me.  Remember that my fav last time was Senator Warren, who has astutely managed to put a number of her people in the Biden administration where they are doing well at creating a rational economic set of policies which are moving the economy back to one that works for the workers.

I do like that he is a Governor, which typically means that he has more experience running a government than say a Senator. Biden is sort of a special case, having so much time in Washington and of course having been the Veep.

One other item, which while there and which is a huge concern, but not so much as economics, is his seeming lack of foreign policy exposure, which maybe in the 1990's would not be an issue, but now that we are smack dab back in "The Great Game" is a concern.

Yeah, as moderate as I think I am, you and I are very different on economics. LOL!

Polis doesn't stand a chance in hell. But as I implied in my original response, a man can wish.

He would definitely need a strong VP with international experience. No question.

Trapper Gus wrote:Meanwhile, on the Trump side of things, and I say Trump because it is no use pretending that the Republican Party exists without him, here is a clip of who "folks in the (Mio) dinner" support.

https://www.axios.com/2023/03/02/republican-2024-primary-fox-news-desantis-trump

GRR Spartan wrote:Former MI GOP leadership thinks if GOP Chairperson Karamo can get things together and calm donors MI US Senate seat is winnable if they nominate former Congressman Pete Meijer or former car dealer and failed MI candidate Renke. 

Because Biden won MI by 3% in 2020 he’s vulnerable and Whitmer only won by 9.5% because of her weak opponent.  They forget Trump ‘s winning margin in 2016 was a whooping 0.23 %.

One was honest enough to admit it’s going to be tough with the GOP chair still claiming she’s the real MI Sec of State although she lost by nearly 14%.  

Pete Meijer might win if he ran as an independent but with Trumpites  running the MI GOP their likely to do more damage to his campaign than who ever gets the Democrats win in the primary.