Obsession - the tears of my enemies.

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The question is why? Why do it? They have a loaded roster and to cheat like this? What an embarrassing time to be a wolverine.

Cameron wrote:The answer to why is pretty obvious: to gain a competitive advantage. Why the fuck else would they do it?

There’s a thing called risk and reward you should look it up. They have a loaded roster sitting at the top of the big ten and they put it all in jeopardy.

Cameron wrote:The answer to why is pretty obvious: to gain a competitive advantage. Why the fuck else would they do it?

Thanks Captain Obvious.

NigelUno wrote:

Cameron wrote:The answer to why is pretty obvious: to gain a competitive advantage. Why the fuck else would they do it?

Thanks Captain Obvious.

He should stick doing what he does best…blowing his top over tiny trivial matters.

So, the Manningcast has a board where if a guest makes the right play call/prediction, they get their picture put up.

Desmond did it a few weeks ago. His picture now has an asterisk next to it.

Cameron wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

Thanks Captain Obvious.

I literally said it was obvious in the post you quoted, numbnuts.

Thanks again, Captain Fucking Obvious.

Cameron wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

Thanks Captain Obvious.

I literally said it was obvious in the post you quoted, numbnuts.

Thanks for your input captain obvious. You really know a lot about sports!

Cameron wrote:The answer to why is pretty obvious: to gain a competitive advantage. Why the fuck else would they do it?

According to UM fans, it's not a competitive advantage.

Cameron wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

Thanks Captain Obvious.

I literally said it was obvious in the post you quoted, numbnuts.

Laurel and Hardy are not our best and brightest.

kingstonlake wrote:

Cameron wrote:

I literally said it was obvious in the post you quoted, numbnuts.

Laurel and Hardy are not our best and brightest.

Sure. Can you have captain answer a question for us? What’s 1+1. Thanks.

Dendrobates wrote:

Cameron wrote:The answer to why is pretty obvious: to gain a competitive advantage. Why the fuck else would they do it?

According to UM fans, it's not a competitive advantage.

also, i heard today that its not really cheating unless they electronically send it to the players... otherwise, "nothing to see here" and everybody does it.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

Dendrobates wrote:

According to UM fans, it's not a competitive advantage.

also, i heard today that its not really cheating unless they electronically send it to the players... otherwise, "nothing to see here" and everybody does it.

Has anyone examined the UofM's helmets recently?

Cheaters at best.

Dendrobates wrote:

Cameron wrote:The answer to why is pretty obvious: to gain a competitive advantage. Why the fuck else would they do it?

According to UM fans, it's not a competitive advantage.

I guess the one question that those guys can't answer is, if it's not a competititve edge, why the fuck would Michigan put all that time and money and effort into doing it?

Damn.

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Nothing will happen, it will be filed under "boys being boys"

Harbs will do anything to win, and the Michigan supporters will forgive everything he does. (Which is why MSU needs a coach who is as driven, only one who is better)

If their seasons get vacated do they have to send Paul back to us? How does that work?

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:If their seasons get vacated do they have to send Paul back to us? How does that work?

Serious answer - vacated is not the same as forfeited, meaning a vacated game win is not then awarded to the other team.  It just is taken off the overall wins (and losses for the games they lost).

Not sure, but it may still be a loss for the other teams' records.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:If their seasons get vacated do they have to send Paul back to us? How does that work?

Serious answer - vacated is not the same as forfeited, meaning a vacated game win is not then awarded to the other team.  It just is taken off the overall wins (and losses for the games they lost).

Not sure, but it may still be a loss for the other teams' records.

Yes, correct. That would mean that the last winner of the trophy was 2021 msu.

Or it’s just a silly rivalry trophy and they don’t go that granular on it

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

NigelUno wrote:Damn.

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QB backed up, looked at the OSU sideline and the UM guy (Stalions, I'm guessing) started squinting, looking across the field the way most of us might look to try to find something we dropped on the kitchen floor.

the second the change in playcall was determined, not only Stalions but, at least, 5-6 players, started signaling to the defense what was coming.

and, per the tweet/article attached, this was the first series of the game for OSU.

this doesn't look good.

Players knew. They obviously went over it in practice/film study.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Serious answer - vacated is not the same as forfeited, meaning a vacated game win is not then awarded to the other team.  It just is taken off the overall wins (and losses for the games they lost).

Not sure, but it may still be a loss for the other teams' records.

Yes, correct. That would mean that the last winner of the trophy was 2021 msu.

Or it’s just a silly rivalry trophy and they don’t go that granular on it

Championships & trophies are also "vacated" which does not mean the other teams playing in those games are awarded championships & trophies.  It means they are vacant (no owner or champion).  Michigan's name would probably be removed from the trophy, (Not sure Paul has names on it) but it probably would remain in their possession, if not in their trophy case, given that MSU didn't win the last game, either.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Yes, correct. That would mean that the last winner of the trophy was 2021 msu.

Or it’s just a silly rivalry trophy and they don’t go that granular on it

Championships & trophies are also "vacated" which does not mean the other teams playing in those games are awarded championships & trophies.  It means they are vacant (no owner or champion).  Michigan's name would probably be removed from the trophy, (Not sure Paul has names on it) but it probably would remain in their possession, if not in their trophy case, given that MSU didn't win the last game, either.

Yes, I know what vacated means you can skip past that.

But, I guess it would come down to the definition of who owns it. 1) the winner of last years game. Assuming wins are vacated then that would mean the trophy would have to go to a third party because no one won 2) the team that most recently won. That’d be msu in 2021.

Or, no one cares all that much about something like that and they just say fuck it you keep it. But that’d be the only way they get to keep it for a game they didn’t win.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Championships & trophies are also "vacated" which does not mean the other teams playing in those games are awarded championships & trophies.  It means they are vacant (no owner or champion).  Michigan's name would probably be removed from the trophy, (Not sure Paul has names on it) but it probably would remain in their possession, if not in their trophy case, given that MSU didn't win the last game, either.

Yes, I know what vacated means you can skip past that.

But, I guess it would come down to the definition of who owns it. 1) the winner of last years game. Assuming wins are vacated then that would mean the trophy would have to go to a third party because no one won 2) the team that most recently won. That’d be msu in 2021.

Or, no one cares all that much about something like that and they just say fuck it you keep it. But that’d be the only way they get to keep it for a game they didn’t win.

Who got the trophy back when there were tie games?

Trapper Gus wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Yes, I know what vacated means you can skip past that.

But, I guess it would come down to the definition of who owns it. 1) the winner of last years game. Assuming wins are vacated then that would mean the trophy would have to go to a third party because no one won 2) the team that most recently won. That’d be msu in 2021.

Or, no one cares all that much about something like that and they just say fuck it you keep it. But that’d be the only way they get to keep it for a game they didn’t win.

Who got the trophy back when there were tie games?

Probably whoever had possession. It's only happened twice since the Trophy was introduced. In 58 and 63. In both cases MSU has possession.

Can’t win a bowl game when you can’t pre-scout the opponent…

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Valenti’s opening segment and first couple of callers were worth a listen.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Yes, correct. That would mean that the last winner of the trophy was 2021 msu.

Or it’s just a silly rivalry trophy and they don’t go that granular on it

Championships & trophies are also "vacated" which does not mean the other teams playing in those games are awarded championships & trophies.  It means they are vacant (no owner or champion).  Michigan's name would probably be removed from the trophy, (Not sure Paul has names on it) but it probably would remain in their possession, if not in their trophy case, given that MSU didn't win the last game, either.

But if a championship is vacated, do the teams keep the trophy? Doesn't seem like they would. But there also isn't any governing body over the rivalry like there is a conference or NCAA that oversees championship trophy awarding.

steveschneider wrote:

Cameron wrote:The answer to why is pretty obvious: to gain a competitive advantage. Why the fuck else would they do it?

There’s a thing called risk and reward you should look it up. They have a loaded roster sitting at the top of the big ten and they put it all in jeopardy.

Players look more talented when they know the other teams' plays in advance. Harbaugh knows his roster. If he thought they were champions, he wouldn't have cheated.

It is another NCAA mess.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacated_victory

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-michigan-assistant-at-center-of-ncaa-investigation-purchased-tickets-to-potential-cfp-opponents-235257384.html

kingstonlake wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-michigan-assistant-at-center-of-ncaa-investigation-purchased-tickets-to-potential-cfp-opponents-235257384.html

Been a big fan of their podcast for years.

Pervis Muldoon wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

There’s a thing called risk and reward you should look it up. They have a loaded roster sitting at the top of the big ten and they put it all in jeopardy.

Players look more talented when they know the other teams' plays in advance. Harbaugh knows his roster. If he thought they were champions, he wouldn't have cheated.

That’s crazy talk. They have a projected 19 players going in the NFL draft, a Heisman trophy qb and they have had an easy schedule the last 2 years. Maybe they needed it vs OSU but everyone else no way. The question actually came up on the Valenti and Rico show and Valenti said he doesn’t know whybut pointed out the Patriots did it in dynasty mode, Barry Bonds cheated when he was already playing at GOAT level and Roger Clemens when he was pitching at generational pitcher level Jose Altuve as well.

I think better theory. It’s psychological and it’s about the obsession of having power. Yep, good old fashion megalomania folks.

How many of Michigan’s players look better when they know ahead of time, or are positioned correctly at a higher percentage than the rest of college football, to make plays.

This is why it is a huge deal in my opinion. The integrity of the EVERYTHING is now in question. Wins, player evaluation, gambling, outcomes, safety, scouting, etc.

kingstonlake wrote:How many of Michigan’s players look better when they know ahead of time, or are positioned correctly at a higher percentage than the rest of college football, to make plays.

This is why it is a huge deal in my opinion. The integrity of the EVERYTHING is now in question. Wins, player evaluation, gambling, outcomes, safety, scouting, etc.

And yet still needed a huge campaign from the Michigan media slappys to get invited to New York as a Hiesman finalist.

kingstonlake wrote:How many of Michigan’s players look better when they know ahead of time, or are positioned correctly at a higher percentage than the rest of college football, to make plays.

This is why it is a huge deal in my opinion. The integrity of the EVERYTHING is now in question. Wins, player evaluation, gambling, outcomes, safety, scouting, etc.

You think they needed to steal signs against us Saturday? GTFO here. OSU I might buy it anyone else no way. Valenti confirmed yesterday the Big Ten still runs through Ann Arbor if you think otherwise you are kidding yourself.