Re: Obsession - the tears of my enemies.

by **NigelUno** 2023-11-07, 11:21

Trapper Gus wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:So you can’t appeal a standard or major violation penalty issued by the B1G under the sportsmanship clause (that every member agrees to adhere too). Is this where UM tries the end around if it’s a major violation and goes to court to get a stay? I’m not a lawyer….

If they can go to court the court the must go to should be part of the B1G charter.

If the Commish follows protocol, I don't see how a judge could overturn anything. They're part of the Big Ten, and agree to abide by the Big Ten rules for disciplinary actions.

They can try to get a TRO. I don't think that will go over well with 13 other schools.

This could backfire on them in a hurry. I'm here for it.

by **GRR Spartan** 2023-11-07, 11:29

it’s DEFCON 1 in aa. This shit is getting serious.

It’s moved to We found another team cheating too!

The (university/athletic department/football coach) has found a former employee of another Big Ten football program who said he was sent to games to steal Michigan’s play signs according to an AP report.

by **kingstonlake** 2023-11-07, 11:36

GRR Spartan wrote:it’s DEFCON 1 in aa. This shit is getting serious. It’s moved to We found another team cheating too!

The (university/athletic department/football coach) has found a former employee of another Big Ten football program who said he was sent to games to steal Michigan’s play signs according to an AP report.

Cool. Investigate it. Make a decision. Decide if it deserves a penalty.

by **NigelUno** 2023-11-07, 11:44

GRR Spartan wrote:it’s DEFCON 1 in aa. This shit is getting serious. It’s moved to We found another team cheating too!

The (university/athletic department/football coach) has found a former employee of another Big Ten football program who said he was sent to games to steal Michigan’s play signs according to an AP report.

I don't think that report/story named the school(s) though. Which is convenient and impossible to investigate.

by **MiamiSpartan** 2023-11-07, 12:31

GRR Spartan wrote:it’s DEFCON 1 in aa. This shit is getting serious.

It’s moved to We found another team cheating too!

The (university/athletic department/football coach) has found a former employee of another Big Ten football program who said he was sent to games to steal Michigan’s play signs according to an AP report.

This is the, "we've found proof of widespread voter fraud, and will be releasing all of this soon" stage of this.

by **Turtleneck** 2023-11-07, 16:36

Harbuagh knew he hired a sycophant. Much like Trump, Harbaugh prefers sycophants over ethical people. This is a cult.

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by Pervis Muldoon 2023-11-07, 16:39

If you have an HOA and you have a hundred vacuum cleaners on your front porch, some angry correspondence is in your future.

by **Turtleneck** 2023-11-07, 16:40

Turtleneck wrote:Hutchinson

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Also Hutchinson

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Did I miss the follow up question as to why he was on the sidelines standing next to Harbaugh if he was upstairs and rarely seen?

But Hutchinson said Chad Stallions did not have a relationship with the players...

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#TradeHutch

by **kingstonlake** 2023-11-07, 17:04

Valenti said on air he wishes he could tell the CMU story as it relates to Stalions but he won’t be the one to do it. Hopes it comes out but he won’t be the one.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2023-11-07, 17:34

Pervis Muldoon wrote:If you have an HOA and you have a hundred vacuum cleaners on your front porch, some angry correspondence is in your future.

Don’t get me started on fucking HOAs pervis. Let me live my life and you live yours.

by **Turtleneck** 2023-11-07, 17:39

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Pervis Muldoon wrote:If you have an HOA and you have a hundred vacuum cleaners on your front porch, some angry correspondence is in your future.
Don’t get me started on fucking HOAs pervis. Let me live my life and you live yours.

Maybe don't keep auto parts scattered across your lawn, bro. Also, fix the 1983 Pontiac 6000 or get it out of your driveway.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2023-11-07, 18:17

This week my HOA spent I can only imagine how much money to replace dozens of mailboxes because they only sort of matched, they didn’t identically match. Thank God that’s fixed. I mean, I had lived here for a year and a half before I noticed that and when I did I said “heh” and moved on, but apparently someone was bothered enough to spend thousands fixing it.

This isn’t even touching how mad they got when I filled my porch with vacuum cleaners.

by **kingstonlake** 2023-11-07, 18:23

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:This week my HOA spent I can only imagine how much money to replace dozens of mailboxes because they only sort of matched, they didn’t identically match. Thank God that’s fixed. I mean, I had lived here for a year and a half before I noticed that and when I did I said “heh” and moved on, but apparently someone was bothered enough to spend thousands fixing it.

This isn’t even touching how mad they got when I filled my porch with vacuum cleaners.

Isn’t this like complaining about the color of your car after you took it for a drive and bought it? Obsession - the tears of my enemies. - Page 23 2943907172

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by AvgMSUJoe 2023-11-07, 19:35

kingstonlake wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:This week my HOA spent I can only imagine how much money to replace dozens of mailboxes because they only sort of matched, they didn’t identically match. Thank God that’s fixed. I mean, I had lived here for a year and a half before I noticed that and when I did I said “heh” and moved on, but apparently someone was bothered enough to spend thousands fixing it.

This isn’t even touching how mad they got when I filled my porch with vacuum cleaners.

Isn’t this like complaining about the color of your car after you took it for a drive and bought it?

Yeah, can't stand the hoa whining. You signed the contract. Didn't like the rules, shoulda bought in a corn field.

by **kingstonlake** 2023-11-07, 19:50

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/michigan-will-contend-sign-stealing-investigation-an-ncaa-not-big-ten-issue-in-reply-to-conference/

As part of Michigan's reply to the Big Ten amid notification that the conference may discipline the Wolverines and coach Jim Harbaugh, the university intends to portray the ongoing sign-stealing scandal as an NCAA issue rather than a violation of the Big Ten's sportsmanship policy, sources told CBS Sports. As such, Michigan will claim the situation should be handled by the NCAA's ongoing enforcement investigation.

by **GRR Spartan** 2023-11-07, 20:34

This mess with Stalions is reminiscent of Fab Five “investigation(s)” . Denial after denial until the FBI became involved investigating Ed Martin’s gambling operation in Ford plants. Then the dam broke.

Nobody knew nothing about Stalion’s scouting. Stalion portrayed himself as a lone wolf as did multiple others.

Now it’s being said umaa RB Corum was in an LLC incorporated in the state of Wyoming with Stalion listed as a partner. A HS teammate of Stalion is connected.with the LLC. LLC’s leave paper trails.

by **tGreenWay** 2023-11-07, 20:35

Blake Corum denies being in biz with Connor Stalions:
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2023/11/07/michigan-wolverines-running-back-blake-corum-denies-being-in-business-with-connor-stalions/71495866007/

by **DWags** 2023-11-07, 20:38

tGreenWay wrote:Blake Corum denies being in biz with Connor Stalions:
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2023/11/07/michigan-wolverines-running-back-blake-corum-denies-being-in-business-with-connor-stalions/71495866007/

Pay wall

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2023-11-07, 20:48

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

Isn’t this like complaining about the color of your car after you took it for a drive and bought it?
Yeah, can't stand the hoa whining. You signed the contract. Didn't like the rules, shoulda bought in a corn field.

Your defense of HOAs remains pathetic.

Believe it or not, there are many factors at play when buying a house. The HOA here was a negative. But other positives outweighed that (including locking in an interest rate the literal last day when you could get them sub 4. Had I passed on this house due to neighbors who insist that your business is theirs too, I’d have been pretty fucked)

by **DWags** 2023-11-07, 21:30

DWags wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:Blake Corum denies being in biz with Connor Stalions:
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2023/11/07/michigan-wolverines-running-back-blake-corum-denies-being-in-business-with-connor-stalions/71495866007/

Pay wall

Welp, Blake is lying. Angelique is going to have to scramble on this one maybe.

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by **duffy munn** 2023-11-07, 21:50

DWags wrote:
DWags wrote:

Pay wall

Welp, Blake is lying. Angelique is going to have to scramble on this one maybe.

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The evidence keeps piling up. Zero chance Corum didn't know what was going on. And if one guy in the locker room knows what's up, everyone does. Right Dwags?

by **Turtleneck** 2023-11-07, 21:51

DWags wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:Blake Corum denies being in biz with Connor Stalions:
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2023/11/07/michigan-wolverines-running-back-blake-corum-denies-being-in-business-with-connor-stalions/71495866007/

Pay wall

Corum, who is heavily favored to win the Heisman Trophy in December, spoke through his personal advisor, University of Michigan President Dr. Santa Ono. According to a strongly worded email from Dr. Ono, in which he demanded to speak to the manager of the Big 10, Ohio State officials, working on behalf of Ryan Day, broke into both Stalions' and Corum's personal computers. Dr. Ono alleges the Ohio State officials stole both Stalion's and Corum's private information in the break in before passing it along to Day himself. Dr. Ono goes on to say that Day then hired a relative to use illegally obtained social security numbers, bank information, and driver's license numbers to fraudulently file business papers in Wyoming. In an odd twist, Dr. Ono claims the hired relative was Ryan Day's sister, Hillary Clinton, who then subcontracted the job to her hairdresser's cousin, Hunter Biden.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2023-11-07, 21:57

DWags wrote:
DWags wrote:

Pay wall

Welp, Blake is lying. Angelique is going to have to scramble on this one maybe.

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what am i missing in this pic

by **Turtleneck** 2023-11-07, 21:59

In the post and on the car, it looks like he is advertising the business he absolutely did not start with Greg Studlings.

by **Turtleneck** 2023-11-07, 22:03

Which is exactly what college football’s Michigan Wolverines, under Coach Jim Harbaugh’s lead, have been accused of — no, at this point, all but proven guilty of: cheating the heart of the game by illicitly stealing their opponents’ signs. So the investigation into this Wolverines’ program should be expedited and wrapped up ASAP, and if the evidence collected proves as unassailable as it seems, Harbaugh’s program should be disqualified for the rest of the season. It should be disqualified from cashing in its current undefeated record and No. 2 ranking and be allowed only to finish out the campaign like a team on probation. No titles can be earned. No bowl game or postseason playoff can be attained.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/11/07/michigan-sign-stealing-punishment/

by **DWags** 2023-11-07, 22:12

Gets better.

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by **GRR Spartan** 2023-11-07, 22:36

It appears that the former Big Ten staffer providing the story about other schools spying on Michigan is a guy whose last name is Edsel.

The new found whistleblower was on the staff at Ohio State at one time. It’s significant he was also on Jack Harbaugh’s staff at Western KY.

PS

ESPN owns the broadcast rights for the FBS.
They don’t want umaa out of their post season soap opera.

by **DWags** 2023-11-08, 00:13

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by **NigelUno** 2023-11-08, 07:53

DWags wrote:Gets better.

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Gotta think NCAA investigators are way ahead of some bored guys messing around on the internet. Wonder what else they have?

by **Turtleneck** 2023-11-08, 08:06

Imagine if Stalions really did file those business papers without Corum's knowledge. What a nut. The manifesto, blaming an MSU fan for the lawsuit, the elaborate scheming, all this points to delusions of grandeur and Stalions being not totally well. Even if he was a "rogue agent," given the level of his activity, it seems like Harbaugh had zero control over his program. Lack of evidence that directly ties Harbaugh to the cheating really doesn't matter given the scale of Stalions activities.

by gomersbro 2023-11-08, 08:18

This whole thing really pisses me off. Michigan was caught red-handed breaking the rules. Now they are trying to push back punishment. It would be like asking not to enforce a facemasking call in the game incurred, instead taking 5 yards next week against Maryland and 10 more yards next year against SWSB (Southwest Sisters of the Blind).

I know it isn't possible, but it would be funny if each one of the Big Ten ADs advertised a new position called "Advanced Video Scouting Expert". The description would be all the tasks that Connor has been found to be doing. If no one is going to enforce the rules, then let all hell break loose.

by **NigelUno** 2023-11-08, 08:29

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by **Trapper Gus** 2023-11-08, 08:44

Turtleneck wrote:Imagine if Stalions really did file those business papers without Corum's knowledge. What a nut. The manifesto, blaming an MSU fan for the lawsuit, the elaborate scheming, all this points to delusions of grandeur and Stalions being not totally well. Even if he was a "rogue agent," given the level of his activity, it seems like Harbaugh had zero control over his program. Lack of evidence that directly ties Harbaugh to the cheating really doesn't matter given the scale of Stalions activities.

Or he is only doing what a known nutjob, Harbs, is telling him to do.

by **kingstonlake** 2023-11-08, 09:27

This could blow up in Michigans face. The accusations against OSU and Rutgers could be deemed a minor violation and two game suspension. Michigan’s violations are clearly a higher level, coordinated, and occurring over a three year period including this year. That would seem proof positive of a major violation and at the mercy of the commish amd the other schools on its penalty.

by AvgMSUJoe 2023-11-08, 09:42

Turtleneck wrote:Imagine if Stalions really did file those business papers without Corum's knowledge. What a nut. The manifesto, blaming an MSU fan for the lawsuit, the elaborate scheming, all this points to delusions of grandeur and Stalions being not totally well. Even if he was a "rogue agent," given the level of his activity, it seems like Harbaugh had zero control over his program. Lack of evidence that directly ties Harbaugh to the cheating really doesn't matter given the scale of Stalions activities.

It would be fraud at that point and dude is going to jail... right?

So either Corum is lying or Stallions is going to jail.

by AvgMSUJoe 2023-11-08, 09:44

If the commish pusses out, I would like to see the member schools make a play. Refuse to play them or something. Protest the game. Of course that would mean income lost, so that would never happen, but convictions and morals might mean something somewhere. ? maybe?

by **NigelUno** 2023-11-08, 09:51

AvgMSUJoe wrote:If the commish pusses out, I would like to see the member schools make a play. Refuse to play them or something. Protest the game. Of course that would mean income lost, so that would never happen, but convictions and morals might mean something somewhere. ? maybe?

If the Commissioner takes no action, he'll be out of a job.

by **DWags** 2023-11-08, 11:51

If the assholes Connor Stalion sent out to gather information arent' getting into any trouble, why should OSU and Rutgers get in trouble for it? Now Purdue for taking it, that is a commissioner question. Advanced "in person scouting" using an agent, illegally, to help your team out. So, put Purdue on the same platform as Michigan. But just like Stalion's agents won't get punishment, I don't see where OSU and Rutgers should.

by **kingstonlake** 2023-11-08, 11:58

DWags wrote:If the assholes Connor Stalion sent out to gather information arent' getting into any trouble, why should OSU and Rutgers get in trouble for it? Now Purdue for taking it, that is a commissioner question. Advanced "in person scouting" using an agent, illegally, to help your team out. So, put Purdue on the same platform as Michigan. But just like Stalion's agents won't get punishment, I don't see where OSU and Rutgers should.

Has it been determined that the information you gained from in game scouting is illegal to give to other schools? Say for instance you notice JJ McSizzle feet are staggered on a pass play. Is it illegal to pass that on?

by **GRR Spartan** 2023-11-08, 12:03

I'm willing to stick my neck out and say the reason umma is being so aggressive, bringing out athletes to deny knowing Stalions to "find" a former Big Ten staffer who's allegedly spilling their guts to the NCAA about other Big Ten programs is Connor Station has proven to be a lot more of a problem then they ever envisioned.

Last week Connor Stallion takes full responsibility, resigns and umma braintrust truly thought its Connor Station issues were over like the AD's office announcing Harbaugh had hired Glenn "Schemy" Schembechler on a Wednesday (May 17 2023) and fired him the following Saturday (May 20, 2023) after Schemy's offensive posts on social media were exposed by others.

umaa never responded to why Shemy was hired without the standard background check that includes social media posting content. That story just vaporized.

I don't doubt Connor Stalion is a umma zealot who landed a job on Harbaugh's staff and zealots do the damndest things. (Like wearing CMU hat, shirt with a visitor's pass in plain view with sunglasses at an MSU night game in EL this year)

But umma and Stalion are both going to have a much harder time explaining why Stalion and his HS friend O'Dea incorporated an LLC in Wyoming listing themselves and umma RB Corum as a partner. How do they explain photo of Corum posing in front of a car with the LLC's logo BC2 prominently displayed and Corum posting that photo?

There was a lot of talk and suspicion about the umma basketball program in the 80's and 90's. Freep McCabe and DetNews Fred Girard attempted to report and often their editors would tell them they needed more. All that began to unravel when umma recruit Mateen Cleaves was injured in a rollover accident in an SUV driven by a umma player Maurice Taylor at around 5:00 am early Saturday morning in Feb '96.

umma had their own "investigation" that went nowhere. But when the FBI began investigating umma basketball booster Ed Martin's gambling operation in multiple Ford Assembly plants they found connections to Martin's money going to umma basketball players and at least one parent. (Chris Webber's father)

In January '23 umma fired co-OC Matt Weiss for accessing university computers ilegally after MSP raided his home in the evening hours and took computers into evidence. The FBI got involved because of cyber-security issues. Recently it was reported that the FBI is part of the investigation regarding Stalion's use of university computers.

Once the FBI gets involved the net gets a helluva a lot bigger than friendly journalists and umma administration can control. The moment LLC became part of the story it moved from spying to a whole new area of investigation.

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