If FSU left the ACC, what conference is the most likely landing spot?

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GLIAC or Mountain West

They really want the Big Ten. They're working toward AAU certification, at least in part to give them a chance. Quality-wise they're a good enough school.

Of course, just about everyone wants the Big Ten with the revenue they'd get. I think one of the Big Ten's concerns with FSU would be if they can bring a big enough market. A lot of their alumni end up in Atlanta, but it's hard to call that their home market.

MAC

Absolutely not.  No florida schools should be allowed into the big ten while DeSantis is governor.  They should all be ostracized from the rest of the US collegiate programs and I'm not kidding.  The right wing agenda needs to be cut off at the knees.  All of them should be kicked out of their current conferences except for u of Miami,  since they're private and not subjected to the whims of this fascist governor.  It's fucking disgusting whats happening here

Did FSU get rid of the war chant and tomahawk chop? I know it has kept its Seminole name with support from the tribe, but IDK if the ancillary shenanigans are still around.

Whether or not FSU is looking at the B1G, I’d like to know if the conference is continuing to look at expansion without having a commissioner in place. And if so, who is representing the B1G? I know the final decision comes down to the presidents, but it’s doubtful they’re the ones making calls and taking meetings.

This is why the Co9 should be leading the B1G.

What media market does FSU get the B1G? The greater panhandle region? Meh.

InTenSity wrote:Absolutely not.  No florida schools should be allowed into the big ten while DeSantis is governor.  They should all be ostracized from the rest of the US collegiate programs and I'm not kidding.  The right wing agenda needs to be cut off at the knees.  All of them should be kicked out of their current conferences except for u of Miami,  since they're private and not subjected to the whims of this fascist governor.  It's fucking disgusting whats happening here

It would be a helluva tap dance performed by FSU's President to convince the Big Ten's AAU contingent they should take FSU more seriously than UF or any other state university located in FL given DeSantis proclamations and the moves towards book censorship and other the state's attitudes towards infectious disease like COVID.

Not with that mascot, regardless of what the Seminole tribe says.

The Seminoles brass fired a clear warning shot to the ACC on Friday, according to Matt Baker of the Tampa Bay Times. During a board of trustees meeting, Florida State athletics director Michael Alford said "something has to change" with regard to the school's financial gap compared to its SEC and Big Ten peers.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/acc-power-something-has-to-change-with-conference/ar-AA17VCfF?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=a0f30340bb91408ea68923eba4644c41&ei=40

InTenSity wrote:Absolutely not.  No florida schools should be allowed into the big ten while DeSantis is governor.  They should all be ostracized from the rest of the US collegiate programs and I'm not kidding.  The right wing agenda needs to be cut off at the knees.  All of them should be kicked out of their current conferences except for u of Miami,  since they're private and not subjected to the whims of this fascist governor.  It's fucking disgusting whats happening here

An institution's acceptance into the BIG should be based on the universities core values and benefits to the conference, not the sitting elected officials of the state in which they reside.

Start allowing alleged research universities pick and choose what is real science ie mRNA, genetics etc because of elected officials political goals unless you reside in MA or CA and have the benefits of major research by both those states universities we are all fu…er screwed.

Based on what we’ve seen by FL’s current governor and the FL state legislature FSU that isn’t an AAU school now shouldn’t get a Johnny come lately invite.

I find the AAU thing to be a dumb obstacle. It's a look at us kind of thing, something to bring up when the Big 10 needs to pretend it is better than other conferences.

Notre Dame is not in the AAU, but that hasn't stopped the B10 from courting Notre Dame on several occasions. If Notre Dame decided they wanted to join, is the B10 going to say no because Notre Dame is not in the AAU?

SUNY Buffalo is in the AAU. Maybe the B10 can court SUNY Buffalo instead of Notre Dame.

The big ten should say no to Notre dame for other non AAU reasons, like “you had your chance and now you’re doomed to irrelevance get lost loser”

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:The big ten should say no to Notre dame for other non AAU reasons, like “you had your chance and now you’re doomed to irrelevance get lost loser”

I don't want Notre Dame - they make UM's entitlement look small time - but the B10 can't quite get the hint that Notre Dame just isn't that into them. When we get down to it, the B10 is not going to say no to a program that is going help them print more money.

Also, a package deal of FSU and Georgia Tech. GT is in the AAU. I don't know if Nigel will let them leave, though, or if they would even entertain the idea.

Nordic wrote:

InTenSity wrote:Absolutely not.  No florida schools should be allowed into the big ten while DeSantis is governor.  They should all be ostracized from the rest of the US collegiate programs and I'm not kidding.  The right wing agenda needs to be cut off at the knees.  All of them should be kicked out of their current conferences except for u of Miami,  since they're private and not subjected to the whims of this fascist governor.  It's fucking disgusting whats happening here

An institution's acceptance into the BIG should be based on the universities core values and benefits to the conference, not the sitting elected officials of the state in which they reside.

DeSantis is appointing presidents and getting rid of diversity and inclusion in public schools. It is seriously fucked up what is going on down here and no one cares cuz it's where all the fucking fascist retirees go who get to die in 10-15 years. I'm kind of pissed off the DOE hasn't stepped in to stop some of this.

GRR Spartan wrote:Start allowing alleged research universities pick and choose what is real science ie mRNA, genetics etc because of elected officials political goals unless you reside in MA or CA and have the benefits of major research by both those states universities we are all fu…er screwed.

Based on what we’ve seen by FL’s current governor and the FL state legislature FSU that isn’t an AAU school now shouldn’t get a Johnny come lately invite.

So now FSU is an "alleged" research university, and they are doing pseudo science there because you think DeSantis ordered them to discard real science? What about current AAU member, Florida?

Turtleneck wrote:I find the AAU thing to be a dumb obstacle. It's a look at us kind of thing, something to bring up when the Big 10 needs to pretend it is better than other conferences.

Notre Dame is not in the AAU, but that hasn't stopped the B10 from courting Notre Dame on several occasions. If Notre Dame decided they wanted to join, is the B10 going to say no because Notre Dame is not in the AAU?

SUNY Buffalo is in the AAU. Maybe the B10 can court SUNY Buffalo instead of Notre Dame.

Aw, hell no. Western Upstate New York people are the absolute worst. The worst.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:Start allowing alleged research universities pick and choose what is real science ie mRNA, genetics etc because of elected officials political goals unless you reside in MA or CA and have the benefits of major research by both those states universities we are all fu…er screwed.

Based on what we’ve seen by FL’s current governor and the FL state legislature FSU that isn’t an AAU school now shouldn’t get a Johnny come lately invite.

So now FSU is an "alleged" research university, and they are doing pseudo science there because you think DeSantis ordered them to discard real science?  What about current AAU member, Florida?

If Desantos gets his hands on the balls of all the FL public universities, and it looks like he will, then look for the accreditation boards to drop their accreditations in the next few years if the curriculum is changed to what he wants.

tGreenWay wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:I find the AAU thing to be a dumb obstacle. It's a look at us kind of thing, something to bring up when the Big 10 needs to pretend it is better than other conferences.

Notre Dame is not in the AAU, but that hasn't stopped the B10 from courting Notre Dame on several occasions. If Notre Dame decided they wanted to join, is the B10 going to say no because Notre Dame is not in the AAU?

SUNY Buffalo is in the AAU. Maybe the B10 can court SUNY Buffalo instead of Notre Dame.

Aw, hell no. Western Upstate New York people are the absolute worst. The worst.

You have managed to run two different regions together as if Central NY - between Upstate and Western NY - does not exist. Shame on you. Do you not know that the world's greatest TV market is Syracuse? How do you forget about the Syracuse market? This is shameful. This is bad and you should feel bad.

I think this region thing might be like NY's version of Michigan's "where does up north start."

Turtleneck wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:




Aw, hell no. Western Upstate New York people are the absolute worst. The worst.

You have managed to run two different regions together as if Central NY - between Upstate and Western NY - does not exist. Shame on you. Do you not know that the world's greatest TV market is Syracuse? How do you forget about the Syracuse market? This is shameful. This is bad and you should feel bad.

I think this region thing might be like NY's version of Michigan's "where does up north start."

Is there really any question for a New Yorker?  Doesn't it start at the Hudson riverbank in Manhattan? /s

Turtleneck wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:




Aw, hell no. Western Upstate New York people are the absolute worst. The worst.

You have managed to run two different regions together as if Central NY - between Upstate and Western NY - does not exist. Shame on you. Do you not know that the world's greatest TV market is Syracuse? How do you forget about the Syracuse market? This is shameful. This is bad and you should feel bad.

I think this region thing might be like NY's version of Michigan's "where does up north start."

Did you know the area I meant? Then shut up. And thank you for proving my point.
As for that one area, I intentionally left out mentioning that market so as not to chance conjuring a certain former poster. Let’s hope your sloppy and careless posting doesn’t manifest the anal pustule.

I don't care. Cam already hates me so there is no point in avoiding posting about the Syracuse market.

Turtleneck wrote:I don't care. Cam already hates me so there is no point in avoiding posting about the Syracuse market.

Proving my point yet again. So horrible.

Next round of B1G expansion is probably 4 schools.

Washington, Oregon and two ACC schools. The latter should take more time in picking and choosing. From a BTN perspective it's all about TV market size. From the Big Ten Presidents view the AAU, rightly or wrongly is still a major factor.

UVA and UNC are both AAU schools that would meet TV market and AAU membership criteria.

Florida's TV market is crowded with UF, FSU and Miami. Am not a fan of FSU trying to get AAU certification which I believe is part of the process to be more appealing to the Big Ten.

I respectfully disagree with Nordic on that issue. Based on conversations I've had with several people who are in academia at UF, it's going to take awhile to undo the damage that's already been done by the current governor including recruiting of professors. If it's happening at UF it's happening at FSU too. Not ideal for any research institution.

Unfortunately Syracuse' geography damages its TV market viability. It isn't in the Buffalo not Albany TV markets and as we've seen TV's in the NYC market already avoid college sports except for the occasional tournament because its a pro team market.

GRR Spartan wrote:Next round of B1G expansion is probably 4 schools.

Washington, Oregon and two ACC schools.  The latter should take more time in picking and choosing.  From a BTN perspective it's all about TV market size.  From the Big Ten Presidents view the AAU, rightly or wrongly is still a major factor.

UVA and UNC are both AAU schools that would meet TV market and AAU membership criteria.

Florida's TV market is crowded with UF, FSU and Miami.  Am not a fan of FSU trying to get AAU certification which I believe is part of the process to be more appealing to the Big Ten.  

I respectfully disagree with Nordic on that issue.  Based on conversations I've had with several people who are in academia at UF, it's going to take awhile to undo the damage that's already been done by the current governor including recruiting of professors.  If it's happening at UF it's happening at FSU too.  Not ideal for any research institution.

Unfortunately Syracuse' geography damages its TV market viability.  It isn't in the  Buffalo not Albany TV markets and as we've seen TV's in the NYC market already avoid college sports except for the occasional tournament because its a pro team market.

What about Cal & Stanford?  Both are high level academic schools?

Former PAC 10(?) USC / UCLA are unhappy with travel for all but one B1G game, so adding 4 West Coast Schools makes that easier?

Trapper Gus wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:Next round of B1G expansion is probably 4 schools.

Washington, Oregon and two ACC schools.  The latter should take more time in picking and choosing.  From a BTN perspective it's all about TV market size.  From the Big Ten Presidents view the AAU, rightly or wrongly is still a major factor.

UVA and UNC are both AAU schools that would meet TV market and AAU membership criteria.

Florida's TV market is crowded with UF, FSU and Miami.  Am not a fan of FSU trying to get AAU certification which I believe is part of the process to be more appealing to the Big Ten.  

I respectfully disagree with Nordic on that issue.  Based on conversations I've had with several people who are in academia at UF, it's going to take awhile to undo the damage that's already been done by the current governor including recruiting of professors.  If it's happening at UF it's happening at FSU too.  Not ideal for any research institution.

Unfortunately Syracuse' geography damages its TV market viability.  It isn't in the  Buffalo not Albany TV markets and as we've seen TV's in the NYC market already avoid college sports except for the occasional tournament because its a pro team market.

What about Cal & Stanford?  Both are high level academic schools?
Former PAC 10(?) USC / UCLA are unhappy with travel for all but one B1G game, so adding 4 West Coast Schools makes that easier?

UM will fight to keep Cal out. They don't want another public Ivy, especially one that does not make all sorts of academic exceptions for athletes.

GRR Spartan wrote:Next round of B1G expansion is probably 4 schools.

Washington, Oregon and two ACC schools. The latter should take more time in picking and choosing. From a BTN perspective it's all about TV market size. From the Big Ten Presidents view the AAU, rightly or wrongly is still a major factor.

UVA and UNC are both AAU schools that would meet TV market and AAU membership criteria.

Florida's TV market is crowded with UF, FSU and Miami. Am not a fan of FSU trying to get AAU certification which I believe is part of the process to be more appealing to the Big Ten.

I respectfully disagree with Nordic on that issue. Based on conversations I've had with several people who are in academia at UF, it's going to take awhile to undo the damage that's already been done by the current governor including recruiting of professors. If it's happening at UF it's happening at FSU too. Not ideal for any research institution.

Unfortunately Syracuse' geography damages its TV market viability. It isn't in the Buffalo not Albany TV markets and as we've seen TV's in the NYC market already avoid college sports except for the occasional tournament because its a pro team market.

Syracuse is the #1 market in the country. You are so wrong.

Turtleneck wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

What about Cal & Stanford?  Both are high level academic schools?
Former PAC 10(?) USC / UCLA are unhappy with travel for all but one B1G game, so adding 4 West Coast Schools makes that easier?

UM will fight to keep Cal out. They don't want another public Ivy, especially one that does not make all sorts of academic exceptions for athletes.

Not to mention walvies don’t want another school with blue & yellow colors for its athletic teams.

tGreenWay wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:

UM will fight to keep Cal out. They don't want another public Ivy, especially one that does not make all sorts of academic exceptions for athletes.

Not to mention walvies don’t want another school with blue & yellow colors for its athletic teams.

They didn't want another team with winged helmets either, but they stole MSU's and here we are.

Turtleneck wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

What about Cal & Stanford?  Both are high level academic schools?
Former PAC 10(?) USC / UCLA are unhappy with travel for all but one B1G game, so adding 4 West Coast Schools makes that easier?

UM will fight to keep Cal out. They don't want another public Ivy, especially one that does not make all sorts of academic exceptions for athletes.

Would not doubt umaa would fight Cal (and maybe Stanford too) because they want to keep up the facade being a selective academic school for undergrads including their scholarship athletes.

Stanford has a load of money but after transfer rules and NIL's they've recently seen the landscape for football has changed. At the end of the day I can see Stanford waiting to see where the pieces start to fall before deciding if they want the Big Ten if the Big Ten invites them, , stay in the PAC12 or see what happened with the ACC or Big 12. Right now the ACC is looking over its shoulder at the Big 12.

In University of California's case, the university has a helluva a lot more on their plate than going to the B1G. The university has buildings built between WW1 and the present that are in dire need of repair or replacement. Their dormitory situation looks more at home in the 3rd world than a premier research university and due to NIMBY friendly zoning they are buried in legal challenges every time they have proposed building new student housing.

Add that to except for a few games, fan interest and season ticket sales for football and mens basketball at Cal and Stanford pale compared to any current Big Ten team. UCLA and USC are hoping B1G membership will help their ticket sales.

Floyd Robertson wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:

Not to mention walvies don’t want another school with blue & yellow colors for its athletic teams.

They didn't want another team with winged helmets either, but they stole MSU's and here we are.

Back in the leather helmet era were not wings pretty common as the leather was cut and stitched that way?

GRR Spartan wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:

UM will fight to keep Cal out. They don't want another public Ivy, especially one that does not make all sorts of academic exceptions for athletes.

Would not doubt umaa would fight Cal (and maybe Stanford too) because they want to keep up the facade being a selective academic school for undergrads including their scholarship athletes.

Stanford has a load of money but after transfer rules and NIL's they've recently seen the landscape for football has changed. At the end of the day I can see Stanford waiting to see where the pieces start to fall before deciding if they want the Big Ten if the Big Ten invites them, , stay in the PAC12 or see what happened with the ACC or Big 12. Right now the ACC is looking over its shoulder at the Big 12.

In University of California's case, the university has a helluva a lot more on their plate than going to the B1G. The university has buildings built between WW1 and the present that are in dire need of repair or replacement. Their dormitory situation looks more at home in the 3rd world than a premier research university and due to NIMBY friendly zoning they are buried in legal challenges every time they have proposed building new student housing.

Add that to except for a few games, fan interest and season ticket sales for football and mens basketball at Cal and Stanford pale compared to any current Big Ten team. UCLA and USC are hoping B1G membership will help their ticket sales.

I was going to note that they are both public ivies, but you beat me to it. That they are high level academics is why the B1G Presidents should want them.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Floyd Robertson wrote:

They didn't want another team with winged helmets either, but they stole MSU's and here we are.

Back in the leather helmet era were not wings pretty common as the leather was cut and stitched that way?

I think it's widely recognized (by me) that MSU had the original winged helmet.

To answer the OPs question. SEC.

FSU would seem to be pretty low on the BIG's wishlist of ACC teams to pilfer.  I'd rank them something like this.

Tier #1
UNC - Pretty clear #1 IMO.
GTech - Atlanta market. Obv academic reasons. Athletics are kinda meh. This would be like dipping the toe in the south without diving in head first. They have flirted with each other in the past.
UVA - Distant 3rd and I'm not sold on them being a clear #3, But they seem to be a better fit than the others.

Tier 2
Duke - Academic prestige ranking + UNC rivalry ties. Does no Coach K hurt drop them down? Probably. If they are needed to help lure UNC, sure, fine. Otherwise, nah.
Pitt - Natural rival with PSU. Probably ranked to high.
Syracuse - Who doesn't want the biggest TV market in the Americas?
NCSt - Seems like the only draw would be if they had to be packaged with UNC. I can't see them as a draw by themselves.
Virginia Tech - Personal pick. Blacksburg is a beautiful campus and Lane Stadium is awesome. Potential to help lure UVA puts them in Tier 2.

Tier 3
Miami - If you wanna say they should be in Tier 2, I won't argue. This is probably the only Tier 3 that has a chance. But I will never get over the fact that no one shows up for their football games. And I don't know if an on-campus stadium would solve that. The opposite of Blacksburg.
Boston College - No idea where to slot them for a variety of reasons, which kinda says it all. Just avoid.
Clemson - Seems more SEC than BIG.
Wake Forest - My buddy's wife went there, says it's nice. Good academic school for certain things. They are not in Florida. All I got.
FSU - I don't know enough about FSU to know what the draw would be.
Louisville - Seems like if they wanted them they could of had them already.

Tier Go Fuck Yourself
Notre Dame -