Re: New Cars

by **tGreenWay** 2023-03-22, 17:03

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

If my dealer isn’t willing to trade for the color/specs I want, then fuck him. I’m stubborn enough to drive pretty much anywhere to get my prize.
Fucking dealers don't realize they are a commodity. Anywhere in Michigan you are within 20 miles of like 4 dealers... My last car, the local dealer salesman was pushing taking one from the lot. Kept saying but would you take this and that... I had the exact specs printed off from the website "build your own tool" I wanted.
Ended up driving 20 min and getting it from a different dealer. All the asshole had to do was type it in the computer. Lost out on whatever commission they make by being a dbag.

Unfortunately, it’s getting tougher to do that because of the concentration of ownerships. The guy who owned Spartan Toyota also owned about 4 other Toyota dealerships in the Lower Peninsula. I think he recently sold to LaFontaine or some other dealer who owns a gazillion dealerships.

by **The Pantry** 2023-03-22, 17:05

tGreenWay wrote:Travis seems like a minivan guy. That’s what he should get.

Don't knock minivans. They're great. Can still fit 4x8 sheets of plywood/drywall in the Chrysler Pacifica. Excellent long-distance trip vehicles with plenty of room for up to 6 people.

by **DWags** 2023-03-22, 17:08

Best car I ever had was my Chevy Town and Country. loved that thing. Went all over the U.S. Good milage, packed it up. I had three ladies who had a shit ton of suitcases too. I probably should have bought another. But oh well.

by **The Pantry** 2023-03-22, 17:42

DWags wrote:180K on my truck. Burning a bit of oil now, but haven't had a payment in 18 months. Best thing ever.

What year/make/model?

2004/GMC/Envoy XL V8. 127K miles. Haven't had a payment in 14-15 years. Best thing ever.

Rent a Chrysler Pacifica if you make the trip to MSG New Cars - Page 2 55953254

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2023-03-22, 17:45

tGreenWay wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Honestly was kicking it around until I realized that it would be nice to have a car that can replace the truck too

So what, a Yukon or Sequoia-type? Both are sharp looking vehicles that will haul a trailer full of used diapers (for when uncle Turtleneck travels with you).

I guess, I don’t really know. Tahoe was the only thing I was aware of that can do what I’d be looking for, but I imagine that there are others.

Can minivans tow up to like 7500 pounds

by **The Pantry** 2023-03-22, 18:00

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

So what, a Yukon or Sequoia-type? Both are sharp looking vehicles that will haul a trailer full of used diapers (for when uncle Turtleneck travels with you).

I guess, I don’t really know. Tahoe was the only thing I was aware of that can do what I’d be looking for, but I imagine that there are others.

Can minivans tow up to like 7500 pounds

I'd go with either a Suburban or Yukon XL instead of the Tahoe/Yukon because of the longer wheelbase.

by **The Pantry** 2023-03-22, 20:14

DWags wrote:Best car I ever had was my Chevy Town and Country. loved that thing. Went all over the U.S. Good milage, packed it up. I had three ladies who had a shit ton of suitcases too. I probably should have bought another. But oh well.

Chevy...???

by **DWags** 2023-03-22, 20:20

The Pantry wrote:
DWags wrote:Best car I ever had was my Chevy Town and Country. loved that thing. Went all over the U.S. Good milage, packed it up. I had three ladies who had a shit ton of suitcases too. I probably should have bought another. But oh well.
Chevy...???

Oooppps. Chrysler. But yeah, it was.

by **GRR Spartan** 2023-03-22, 20:45

Best car I ever owned was a 4 cylinder Honda Accord that I drove for business for almost 6 years and my wife liked it so well we got rid of her car to keep the Honda.

My youngest rolled it 360 when he over corrected on black ice. Sheriff deputy was about 1/4 mile behind him and saw it. When he called he said “I dented the roof”. Car had 399K on it and the biggest repair was replacing the AC compressor @ 200K.

I’m looking at replacing my 2011 Ford Fusion that’s got 249K and beginning to rust. Looking at a small SUV but I’ve found the chip shortage has shrunk the 2019-2021 used market. Lots of folks buying used plus fewer made.

In a lot of cases the 2-3-4 year old SUV’s like Subaru Forrester, Honda CR-V, Toyota RAV4 used have 35K a year miles on them and those with lower miles are often so close to new you are better off to buy new with a lower interest rate.

Frustrating as hell.

by **The Pantry** 2023-07-25, 18:11

Never owned/leased a Chrysler vehicle. This thing looks cool. Has a little pep-in-its-step...

All-new Dodge Hornet: Fastest CUV under 30 grand

by **Floyd Robertson** 2023-07-25, 18:27

The Pantry wrote:Never owned/leased a Chrysler vehicle. This thing looks cool. Has a little pep-in-its-step...

All-new Dodge Hornet: Fastest CUV under 30 grand

Looks like a modern Omni GLH

by **kingstonlake** 2023-07-25, 18:38

As usual 10 years behind the curve. That’s a nice looking 2014 Mazda Cx-3

by **tGreenWay** 2023-07-25, 18:59

Travis, have you welded your two vehicles together yet? Instead of the options you listed a few months ago, I’d recommend one on top of the other, like a double decker bus. When you’re stuck in traffic, send your oldest up top to give you updates.

by **The Pantry** 2023-07-25, 19:02

Floyd Robertson wrote:
The Pantry wrote:Never owned/leased a Chrysler vehicle. This thing looks cool. Has a little pep-in-its-step...

All-new Dodge Hornet: Fastest CUV under 30 grand

Looks like a modern Omni GLH

Guy at work had a GLH. Could spin it whether or not the streets were slippery. We nicknamed it the "Ice Cube" lol!

by **steveschneider** 2023-07-25, 19:07

The new Prius looks great. Really digging the modern touches they’ve put on this modern classic.

by **tGreenWay** 2023-07-25, 19:09

kingstonlake wrote:As usual 10 years behind the curve. That’s a nice looking 2014 Mazda Cx-3

Someone in the neighborhood has one. It’s in great shape and still looks good.

by **The Pantry** 2023-07-25, 19:28

tGreenWay wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:As usual 10 years behind the curve. That’s a nice looking 2014 Mazda Cx-3

Someone in the neighborhood has one. It’s in great shape and still looks good.

Might look okay, but max 150 HP@ 6000rpm?

by **kingstonlake** 2023-07-25, 19:37

The Pantry wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Someone in the neighborhood has one. It’s in great shape and still looks good.
Might look okay, but max 150 HP@ 6000rpm?

What’s your hurry? You’re not one of “those” guys on the road are you? Get me there in comfort. Anyone can drop a bunch of horse power in a small piece of junk. It just makes it a quicker piece of junk.

by **The Pantry** 2023-07-25, 20:07

kingstonlake wrote:
The Pantry wrote:
Might look okay, but max 150 HP@ 6000rpm?

What’s your hurry? You’re not one of “those” guys on the road are you? Get me there in comfort. Anyone can drop a bunch of horse power in a small piece of junk. It just makes it a quicker piece of junk.

Use to like speed. Not much anymore. But, it's nice to have in your back pocket if needed.

Lot of idiots on the road. Split-second judgment decisions. Sometimes best to slam on the brakes. Other times best to hit the gas to avoid situations.

by **Nordic** 2023-07-25, 20:44

kingstonlake wrote:As usual 10 years behind the curve. That’s a nice looking 2014 Mazda Cx-3

by **tGreenWay** 2023-07-25, 22:56

The Pantry wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Someone in the neighborhood has one. It’s in great shape and still looks good.
Might look okay, but max 150 HP@ 6000rpm?

Nobody is buying that for a cross-country gumball rally.

by AvgMSUJoe 2023-07-26, 07:24

steveschneider wrote:The new Prius looks great. Really digging the modern touches they’ve put on this modern classic.

Steven

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-07-26, 07:30

The Pantry wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

What’s your hurry? You’re not one of “those” guys on the road are you? Get me there in comfort. Anyone can drop a bunch of horse power in a small piece of junk. It just makes it a quicker piece of junk.
Use to like speed. Not much anymore. But, it's nice to have in your back pocket if needed.

Lot of idiots on the road. Split-second judgment decisions. Sometimes best to slam on the brakes. Other times best to hit the gas to avoid situations.

Although there are all the obvious drawbacks if speed is your "thing" the follow Tom Cruise's example and ride a motorcycle. HP to weight outdoes most cars.

by **The Pantry** 2023-07-26, 07:45

Trapper Gus wrote:
The Pantry wrote:
Use to like speed. Not much anymore. But, it's nice to have in your back pocket if needed.

Lot of idiots on the road. Split-second judgment decisions. Sometimes best to slam on the brakes. Other times best to hit the gas to avoid situations.

Although there are all the obvious drawbacks if speed is your "thing" the follow Tom Cruise's example and ride a motorcycle. HP to weight outdoes most cars.

Perhaps you missed the idiots on the road part. Never liked bikes for that reason.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-07-26, 07:57

The Pantry wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Although there are all the obvious drawbacks if speed is your "thing" the follow Tom Cruise's example and ride a motorcycle. HP to weight outdoes most cars.
Perhaps you missed the idiots on the road part. Never liked bikes for that reason.

As noted "obvious drawbacks". However a motorcycle has the acceleration to use speed to get out of any situation where speed, and size, and maneuverability (if the rider is trained to use it) will help.

by **kingstonlake** 2023-07-26, 08:01

The new Lexus GX looks so good. Land Cruiser vibes.

by **tGreenWay** 2023-07-26, 10:03

kingstonlake wrote:The new Lexus GX looks so good. Land Cruiser vibes.

It’s better looking than any Land Cruiser that Toyota has put out in decades. The way they took every ounce of personality from that car is embarrassing. It’s like the person who was supposed to be updating everything about it went on leave and nobody noticed, so it’s still a rolling rectangle that gets seven miles to the gallon in the city.

by **kingstonlake** 2023-07-26, 10:27

tGreenWay wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:The new Lexus GX looks so good. Land Cruiser vibes.

It’s better looking than any Land Cruiser that Toyota has put out in decades. The way they took every ounce of personality from that car is embarrassing. It’s like the person who was supposed to be updating everything about it went on leave and nobody noticed, so it’s still a rolling rectangle that gets seven miles to the gallon in the city.

The J80 Land Cruiser (1990-1998) and J80 Lexus LX 450 (1996-1997) are the best vehicle’s ever made. IMHO.

by **Jake from State Farm** 2023-07-26, 10:44

kingstonlake wrote:The new Lexus GX looks so good. Land Cruiser vibes.

$68k and 17 mpg. I'll take two.

by **tGreenWay** 2023-07-26, 11:13

kingstonlake wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

It’s better looking than any Land Cruiser that Toyota has put out in decades. The way they took every ounce of personality from that car is embarrassing. It’s like the person who was supposed to be updating everything about it went on leave and nobody noticed, so it’s still a rolling rectangle that gets seven miles to the gallon in the city.

The J80 Land Cruiser (1990-1998) and J80 Lexus LX 450 (1996-1997) are the best vehicle’s ever made. IMHO.

TBH, they aren’t my favorites, but I’m partial to the smaller versions in earlier years/decades. Were the LC and LX on the same platform? They look a lot alike.

by **kingstonlake** 2023-07-26, 11:41

Jake from State Farm wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:The new Lexus GX looks so good. Land Cruiser vibes.

$68k and 17 mpg. I'll take two.

two gets you 34 mpg, right? I haven’t looked at the mpg but I’d have thought a twin turbo six would do better than that. I assume it’s a hell of a lot of weight!

by **kingstonlake** 2023-07-26, 11:45

tGreenWay wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

The J80 Land Cruiser (1990-1998) and J80 Lexus LX 450 (1996-1997) are the best vehicle’s ever made. IMHO.

TBH, they aren’t my favorites, but I’m partial to the smaller versions in earlier years/decades. Were the LC and LX on the same platform? They look a lot alike.

Not sure but the LX and even the later GX were body on frame instead of unibody for quite a while. That one year run of LX 450 was the same platform as the LC. It was identical in every way. Just rebadged as a Lexus.

by Zurn 2023-07-28, 08:36

tGreenWay wrote:Travis seems like a minivan guy. That’s what he should get.

Minivan is a very underrated vehicle.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-07-28, 09:06

Zurn wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:Travis seems like a minivan guy. That’s what he should get.

Minivan is a very underrated vehicle.

In Michigan the crew cab pick-up truck seems to be the new minivan.

by **DWags** 2023-07-28, 11:28

Zurn wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:Travis seems like a minivan guy. That’s what he should get.

Minivan is a very underrated vehicle.

Chrysler town and country.

Best
Vehicle
I’ve
Ever
Owned.

Comfortable, roomy great travel car. Kids soccer trips all over the Midwest. Family trips to Florida to DC to northern Michigan. Three girls who brought a ton of stuff. Didn’t care. I just said, “sure, keep packing”. Great on gas.

Highly recommend. What is it, the Pacifica now?

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2023-07-28, 11:30

my advice would be to get yourself a SUV, some golf clubs, some khakis and head Up North.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-07-28, 11:53

DWags wrote:
Zurn wrote:

Minivan is a very underrated vehicle.

Chrysler town and country.

Best
Vehicle
I’ve
Ever
Owned.

Comfortable, roomy great travel car. Kids soccer trips all over the Midwest. Family trips to Florida to DC to northern Michigan. Three girls who brought a ton of stuff. Didn’t care. I just said, “sure, keep packing”. Great on gas.

Highly recommend. What is it, the Pacifica now?

For some reason we went the E150 Window Van route. All of what you said except the gas mileage was in the 15 to 20 mpg range. With a 38-gallon tank that still worked out to way more miles between fill ups than anyone wanted to ride.

by **DWags** 2023-07-28, 11:58

Trapper Gus wrote:
DWags wrote:

Chrysler town and country.

Best
Vehicle
I’ve
Ever
Owned.

Comfortable, roomy great travel car. Kids soccer trips all over the Midwest. Family trips to Florida to DC to northern Michigan. Three girls who brought a ton of stuff. Didn’t care. I just said, “sure, keep packing”. Great on gas.

Highly recommend. What is it, the Pacifica now?

For some reason we went the E150 Window Van route. All of what you said except the gas mileage was in the 15 to 20 mpg range. With a 38-gallon tank that still worked out to way more miles between fill ups than anyone wanted to ride.

Real men buy mini vans when they family up. Out of respect to your wife and children. Just saying

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-07-28, 12:01

DWags wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

For some reason we went the E150 Window Van route. All of what you said except the gas mileage was in the 15 to 20 mpg range. With a 38-gallon tank that still worked out to way more miles between fill ups than anyone wanted to ride.

Real men buy mini vans when they family up. Out of respect to your wife and children. Just saying

Drove one of our E150's 4 miles through 3 foot plus snow drifts on a dirt road between open farm fields during a 20 mph, 6 to 12 inches of snow per hour blizzard to get my family back to our farm. The ground clearance & weight of 2.5 tons was what got us through, well along with my outstanding driving. Pretty sure for our applications the mini-van wasn't the choice.

edit - that said, for a family a minivan is a great choice, as long as your using it as an oversized station wagon and not, as I was, as an enclosed truck.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2023-07-28, 12:48

My mother in law had a rented Pacifica a couple of months ago that I drove a bit. I fuckin loved it. It had way more get up and go to it than I expected when I got on the highway.

It’s my wife that doesn’t want a minivan. She’s probably right that our next car needs to be something with trailer capacity. But fuck I’d love to get a minivan it was awesome.

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