Transfer Portal Numbers

by AvgMSUJoe 2023-08-20, 08:22

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by **Trapper Gus** 2023-08-20, 08:31

Seems like for a slight majority of NCAA Basketball players, unless they returned to their existing team, this is a self-culling of players who aren't good enough for college basketball?

by **InTenSity** 2023-08-20, 08:47

Can they return to their original team? Do they lose the scholarship?

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-08-20, 08:54

InTenSity wrote:Can they return to their original team? Do they lose the scholarship?

Student-athletes do not have to ask permission from their coaches or university to enter the portal, nor does entering mean a player must leave their previous school. There is a “withdrawn” tag within the portal database that shows if a player opts to return. However, schools are not mandated to keep a player on scholarship once they enter the portal.

247 - The Portal Rules

Looks like the player takes the risk of their "existing" team not taking them back.

by AvgMSUJoe 2023-08-20, 11:07

Hopefully this is on the first page of the NCAA handbook they give to every kid. Might rein in some delusions.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-08-20, 11:13

Don't want to be too cynical, but for the win now coaches like that football coach now at Colorado, it is in their interest to avoid telling the team that.

by **Turtleneck** 2023-08-20, 11:19

This is what happened to WBH, Pylon, and Floyd.

by aualum06 2023-08-20, 11:53

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Hopefully this is on the first page of the NCAA handbook they give to every kid. Might rein in some delusions.

Most of these kids need to realize the free ride to get a degree is way more important than them having a delusional shot about making the league

by **InTenSity** 2023-08-20, 12:03

aualum06 wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:Hopefully this is on the first page of the NCAA handbook they give to every kid. Might rein in some delusions.

Most of these kids need to realize the free ride to get a degree is way more important than them having a delusional shot about making the league

Most of those kids have probably been the best player on the court or in the field most of their lives. Most probably have family or friends that tell them they will make it. Its a tough place to be. There probably aren't many 20 and under 'kids' who don't believe that with the right coaching or the right circumstances they can make it. I'm guessing the grad numbers being so low are because most of those that are still around probably know they don't have much of a shot but they can finish their degree. Also the grad transfers seem to be more sought out, probably because a coach knows what they are getting at that point.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-08-20, 12:17

InTenSity wrote:
aualum06 wrote:

Most of these kids need to realize the free ride to get a degree is way more important than them having a delusional shot about making the league
Most of those kids have probably been the best player on the court or in the field most of their lives. Most probably have family or friends that tell them they will make it. Its a tough place to be. There probably aren't many 20 and under 'kids' who don't believe that with the right coaching or the right circumstances they can make it. I'm guessing the grad numbers being so low are because most of those that are still around probably know they don't have much of a shot but they can finish their degree. Also the grad transfers seem to be more sought out, probably because a coach knows what they are getting at that point.

This, getting a player for at the most 2 years means the coach has to really see immediate help.

by aualum06 2023-08-20, 12:23

InTenSity wrote:
aualum06 wrote:

Most of these kids need to realize the free ride to get a degree is way more important than them having a delusional shot about making the league
Most of those kids have probably been the best player on the court or in the field most of their lives. Most probably have family or friends that tell them they will make it. Its a tough place to be. There probably aren't many 20 and under 'kids' who don't believe that with the right coaching or the right circumstances they can make it. I'm guessing the grad numbers being so low are because most of those that are still around probably know they don't have much of a shot but they can finish their degree. Also the grad transfers seem to be more sought out, probably because a coach knows what they are getting at that point.

Oh I understand that, the adults in their life looking at them as a meal ticket are not always the best advisors

by Rick Saunders 2023-08-20, 12:49

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Hopefully this is on the first page of the NCAA handbook they give to every kid. Might rein in some delusions.

The NCAA actually does study and report this stuff. Especially male student athletes are commonly delusional (not hyperbole). Here's a link to the 2020 study results for Division 3. Division 3!

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/research/goals/2020D3RES_GOALS2020con.pdf

28% of D3 basketball and 15% of D3 football players think there is a chance they will play professionally. In 2021 there were 6 total former D3 players on NFL rosters.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2021-09-02/every-dii-and-diii-player-2021-nfl-roster

If you look at the D1 survey you learn that at least some D1 football athletes are actually students.

by Rick Saunders 2023-08-20, 12:53

aualum06 wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:Hopefully this is on the first page of the NCAA handbook they give to every kid. Might rein in some delusions.

Most of these kids need to realize the free ride to get a degree is way more important than them having a delusional shot about making the league

Link to NCAA Research site for those interested:

https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2021/2/8/research.aspx

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2023-08-20, 15:53

I know that I should have 100% unquestioned trust in the image posted by Transfer Portal 4 Playing Time on Twitter, but something doesn’t smell right here.

I guess I would want to start at exactly who are these 817 players? They’re not power 5 (4? Power The Big Schools? Whatever) players. I mean some probably are but I bet a large majority of those end up playing somewhere once they accept they have to go to the MAC. You don’t see foster loyer or rocket watts not finding places. So we’re probably taking about guys from morehead state and such, who in a lot of cases I bet still will be able to go back to their school that doesn’t have quite the same competition for roster spots.

Further, I can’t find anything that says there were 1800 people in the transfer portal. I can find 1100. Are they including women to inflate that? I don’t know how transferring works out there.

Anyway I dunno. Sounds to me that someone was trying to make a point and massaged some shit and conveniently citations are ignored so you can’t verify their infographic

by **GRR Spartan** 2023-08-20, 16:06

So the grass isn't necessarily greener, sometimes the players seeking a transfer find out there isn't even any grass.

by **DWags** 2024-04-23, 18:49

“Trippin”. Transfer Portal Numbers 502811600

I mean jumping back and forth to rival teams, not really having to change apartments. It’s so crazy it’s funny.

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by Rick Saunders 2024-04-24, 12:19

DWags wrote:“Trippin”. I mean jumping back and forth to rival teams, not really having to change apartments. It’s so crazy it’s funny.

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Next it's going to be "game time decision."

by **tGreenWay** 2024-04-24, 13:20

“Jackmerius Tacktheratrix has announced his intention to play the second half with the team he’s playing in the first half.”

by AvgMSUJoe 2024-04-24, 13:50

Anyone know why there are no enforceable contracts with NIL?

"Sure kid, I'll pay you 300k/year but you need to stay 2 seasons. If you leave, you are in breach and will have to re-pay the amount plus legal fees we may incur in enforcing this contract."

Or "I will pay you $20k/game played"...

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2024-04-24, 14:20

Reasonably confident that they’re not allowed to tie nil money to performance. Theyre “amateurs” afterall

by **Motown Spartan** 2024-04-24, 14:29

by **Nordic** 2024-04-24, 14:43

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Reasonably confident that they’re not allowed to tie nil money to performance. Theyre “amateurs” afterall

I recall when NIL first came out I read NIL could not be tied to performance or even where you go to school. It is supposed to be an ‘endorsement deal’ not ‘pay for play’. I don’t know who makes or enforces this garbage, but I blame Turtleneck.

NIL programs need henchmen to keep kids inline after they take a bag.

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by AvgMSUJoe 2024-04-24, 15:24

Nordic wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Reasonably confident that they’re not allowed to tie nil money to performance. Theyre “amateurs” afterall

I recall when NIL first came out I read NIL could not be tied to performance or even where you go to school. It is supposed to be an ‘endorsement deal’ not ‘pay for play’. I don’t know who makes or enforces this garbage, but I blame Turtleneck.

NIL programs need henchmen to keep kids inline after they take a bag.

by **MiamiSpartan** 2024-04-27, 19:21

Jonathan Smith's former player at OSU, Damian Martinez, committed to Miami.

He was one of the guys that stuck around after Smith left, so it wasn't likely he would come here, but IIRC, OSU talked up him staying loyal to OSU after Smith left.

by Pervis Muldoon 2024-04-28, 15:31

This deserves its own thread. Hell, it deserves its own board. Andrew Schorfhaar has entered the portal. That's right, the Andrew Schorfhaar era is over. Man plans to cheer Andrew Schorfhaar through a Heisman-winning season in East Lansing, and God laughs.

by **DWags** 2024-05-02, 17:13

Pretty much sums up our portal guys who left

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by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2024-05-02, 17:37

One of em went to Colorado today. Tbh, if you look at Colorado and say yes that’s where I want to be, then probably for the best that you’re not here anymore

by **MiamiSpartan** 2024-05-02, 17:57

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:One of em went to Colorado today. Tbh, if you look at Colorado and say yes that’s where I want to be, then probably for the best that you’re not here anymore

Even if they're offering them more NIL money than MSU or anyone else?

by AvgMSUJoe 2024-05-02, 17:57

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:One of em went to Colorado today. Tbh, if you look at Colorado and say yes that’s where I want to be, then probably for the best that you’re not here anymore

I could see dumb money following Colorado. (If that is what college football is these days.)

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2024-05-02, 18:03

MiamiSpartan wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:One of em went to Colorado today. Tbh, if you look at Colorado and say yes that’s where I want to be, then probably for the best that you’re not here anymore
Even if they're offering them more NIL money than MSU or anyone else?

I suppose it’d depend on how much we’re talking but all that is shrouded in mystery so I dunno

by **DWags** 2024-05-02, 18:03

MiamiSpartan wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:One of em went to Colorado today. Tbh, if you look at Colorado and say yes that’s where I want to be, then probably for the best that you’re not here anymore
Even if they're offering them more NIL money than MSU or anyone else?

Maybe they were too busy last fall but Dion threw the o line under the bus last year. I guess Boyd thinks he can change that mind set. Either I respect him for his moxie or I’m shaking my head at his foolishness.

by **tGreenWay** 2024-05-02, 19:27

AJ Dennis transferring to the good guys. He was a Spartan commit before signing with Illinois. Originally from Mt. Pleasant.

by AvgMSUJoe 2024-05-03, 08:12

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:One of em went to Colorado today. Tbh, if you look at Colorado and say yes that’s where I want to be, then probably for the best that you’re not here anymore
I could see dumb money following Colorado. (If that is what college football is these days.)

Steve, how much money have you donated to to Coach Prime's nil fund?

by Zurn 2024-05-03, 09:12

It's the college presidents and boards that have ultimately dropped the ball on this. They could put rules in place that address the academic aspect of transferring multiple times in a couple of years and apply those rules to all students. Problem solved.

by **duffy munn** 2024-05-03, 09:37

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:
I could see dumb money following Colorado. (If that is what college football is these days.)

Steve, how much money have you donated to to Coach Prime's nil fund?

Probably going to Arkansas basketball now

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