Re: 2016/17 Hoops Thread

by Guest Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:02 pm

Michigan State ‏@Michigan_State 16m16 minutes ago
Tom Izzo: Matt McQuaid (head) is 100 percent, will return for Michigan State-Northeastern http://bit.ly/2h5TSDK #Spartans

by **DWags** Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:05 pm

LooseGoose wrote:Michigan State ‏@Michigan_State 16m16 minutes ago
Tom Izzo: Matt McQuaid (head) is 100 percent, will return for Michigan State-Northeastern http://bit.ly/2h5TSDK #Spartans

That head might be ok but it kills me.

by Guest Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:52 pm

Greg Kelser dishes on his love of golf, Pistons moving back downtown

by Guest Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:52 pm

Nick Ward's evolution is now a matter of how he gets where he's going

by CheesySpartan Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:09 pm

Herbie Green wrote:Is Ward the best freshman big Izzo has ever had?

Ummmm Z-Bo??? On this team he'd avg 20+

by Guest Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:27 pm

Mike Pearson ‏@B1GLLL 4h4 hours ago
77 years ago today, @MSU_Basketball played its first-ever game at Jenison Field House, defeating Washington State, 52-44.

by **DWags** Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:28 pm

LooseGoose wrote:Mike Pearson ‏@B1GLLL 4h4 hours ago
77 years ago today, @MSU_Basketball played its first-ever game at Jenison Field House, defeating Washington State, 52-44.

Wonder who Gus had in his starting line up.

by **Death Roe** Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:29 pm

For Death Roe, I'm Gus Ganakas.

by Herbie Green Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:16 pm

CheesySpartan wrote:
Herbie Green wrote:Is Ward the best freshman big Izzo has ever had?

Ummmm Z-Bo??? On this team he'd avg 20+

Zach averaged 10.8 points in 19.8 minutes. Ward is averaging 11.9 points in 16.6 minutes.

Of course Izzo didn't think Zach was good enough to start over Big Al and Ward isn't good enough to start over Goins.

by Guest Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:26 pm

Herbie Green wrote:
CheesySpartan wrote:

Ummmm Z-Bo??? On this team he'd avg 20+

Zach averaged 10.8 points in 19.8 minutes. Ward is averaging 11.9 points in 16.6 minutes.

Of course Izzo didn't think Zach was good enough to start over Big Al and Ward isn't good enough to start over Goins.

Make a good point...

Followed by....

....being an idiot.

by **DWags** Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:43 pm

Kevin Mchale says hi.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:22 am

Is ward still not starting what iz iz waiting for

by Guest Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:52 am

Couch: Joshua Langford's mission - become Denzel Valentine

by **NigelUno** Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:17 pm

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Is ward still not starting what iz iz waiting for

Both Goins and Ward are foul prone. Maybe he'd rather have Ward on the floor in crunch time.

by Herbie Green Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:12 pm

Ward is only capable of playing a few minutes at a time. But if he were to start then it would seem he would automatically have a better chance of getting a few more total minutes for the game. I would hope he can playing over 20 minutes a game the rest of the season.

by Guest Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:35 pm

Herbie Green wrote:Ward is only capable of playing a few minutes at a time. But if he were to start then it would seem he would automatically have a better chance of getting a few more total minutes for the game. I would hope he can playing over 20 minutes a game the rest of the season.

Pull Izzo aside after the game tonight and let him know your thoughts. I'm pretty sure he's been waiting to hear what you think before changing things up.

by Herbie Green Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:47 pm

LooseGoose wrote:
Herbie Green wrote:Ward is only capable of playing a few minutes at a time. But if he were to start then it would seem he would automatically have a better chance of getting a few more total minutes for the game. I would hope he can playing over 20 minutes a game the rest of the season.

Pull Izzo aside after the game tonight and let him know your thoughts. I'm pretty sure he's been waiting to hear what you think before changing things up.

I would actually like to. It seems so simple - your chances of winning basketball games increase by playing your best players the maximum amount of minutes. I would explain why in addition to starting Ward both halves, he should almost never voluntarily bench a player because of foul trouble.

by Guest Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:05 pm

Herbie Green wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

Pull Izzo aside after the game tonight and let him know your thoughts. I'm pretty sure he's been waiting to hear what you think before changing things up.

I would actually like to. It seems so simple - your chances of winning basketball games increase by playing your best players the maximum amount of minutes. I would explain why in addition to starting Ward both halves, he should almost never voluntarily bench a player because of foul trouble.

What's stopping you?

by Herbie Green Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:26 pm

LooseGoose wrote:
Herbie Green wrote:

I would actually like to. It seems so simple - your chances of winning basketball games increase by playing your best players the maximum amount of minutes. I would explain why in addition to starting Ward both halves, he should almost never voluntarily bench a player because of foul trouble.

What's stopping you?

La

LooseGoose wrote:
Herbie Green wrote:

I would actually like to. It seems so simple - your chances of winning basketball games increase by playing your best players the maximum amount of minutes. I would explain why in addition to starting Ward both halves, he should almost never voluntarily bench a player because of foul trouble.

What's stopping you?

Laziness. And it is not like I run into him often or have a forum where he would take me seriously. Coaches tend to be very stubborn.
It was determined years ago that you should never kick a field goal from the two yard line but almost every coach still does it.

by **DWags** Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:54 pm

Herbie Green wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

What's stopping you?

La
LooseGoose wrote:

What's stopping you?

Laziness. And it is not like I run into him often or have a forum where he would take me seriously. Coaches tend to be very stubborn.
It was determined years ago that you should never kick a field goal from the two yard line but almost every coach still does it.

Who also proved mathematicaly you should also never punt but always go for it on fourth down

by Herbie Green Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:00 pm

There is a high school coach that never punts and always does onside kicks.

It says here his next strategy he developed two seasons ago was to run the downfield option, like a constant hook and ladder lateral strategy after completed passes. I am curious if it worked.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/08/13/the-highly-successful-high-school-coach-who-never-punts-has-another-radical-idea/?utm_term=.4bab4d098742

by **Floyd Robertson** Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:12 am

With the annual playing of the accordion it finally feels like Christmas.

2016/17 Hoops Thread - Page 13 Accord10

by Guest Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:16 pm

Matt Charboneau ‏@mattcharboneau 8m8 minutes ago
Miles Bridges out of boot. Tom Izzo still says chances slim he'll be ready for Big Ten opener Dec. 27, but he's "progressing"

by Guest Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:33 pm

by **The_Dude** Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:17 pm

duffy munn wrote:
The_Dude wrote:

He wont ever develop a jumper. There's a a reason he was the plan D croot that year.

If you cant have a decent jumper, as a guard, by the time you are a soph it will never come.

Very very very rarely will kids, especially in hoops, develop a huge part of the game in between soph-junior or junior-senior. You kind of are who you are.

Its like asking of Schilling will have post moves this year. We can only hope.

Tum was getting there over the off season last year and early in 2015/16. Injuries set him back big time.

But since you say it's impossible for him to develop a jumper, Izzo should probably just cut him.

Too bad Bellein isn't his coach.

Are you ever right on anything Duffy?

by **The_Dude** Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:18 pm

DWags wrote:I think this team is going to be pretty good.

Lol.

Are you ever not a homer? Can you be objective, ever?

by **The_Dude** Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:22 pm

NigelUno wrote:
DWags wrote:FTR my kid said "dad this team is gonna kick some ass". She's never had an opinion before. I think that's a sign.

They are going to be good and exciting. Lots of scorers and guys driving the lane.

lol

by **The_Dude** Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:23 pm

LooseGoose wrote:
The_Dude wrote:

Who's the 'lots of scorers?'

Harris, Lone Wolf, Langford, Bridges and you watch Ellis III as a Sr.

Ummmm..

by **Death Roe** Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:47 pm

Can you NOT be a troll for once?

by **kingstonlake** Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:36 pm

The_Dude wrote:I don't follow recruiting much

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:28 pm

Northeastern in a tight one with Oakland at the O-rena. Northeastern has been in control most of the game.

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:52 pm

Wow, Northeastern in the process of choking a bit. OU with a chance to tie at the line with 10 seconds left. NE went to the line up 3 and missed the front end. NE ball now with 9.6 left. Game is on Channel 20 in Detroit if anyone cares.

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:54 pm

NE wins on a buzzer beater. Hell of a shot. Fadeaway with contact from 18 feet or so.

by Guest Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:57 pm

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:NE wins on a buzzer beater. Hell of a shot. Fadeaway with contact from 18 feet or so.

NE owns the state. And keeps costing me $$.

by Guest Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:12 am

DWags wrote:It going to be a close call. Do we have 11 wins left on the schedule?

Sweep Minn

Split UM

At Home:
NW
RUTG
PSU
Iowa
tOSU

At Neb

Gives you 9 Big Ten wins......not much room to stumble....they need to win all of those and pull an upset or 2. Or win the BTT.

by **DWags** Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:16 am

LooseGoose wrote:
DWags wrote:It going to be a close call. Do we have 11 wins left on the schedule?

Sweep Minn

Split UM

At Home:
NW
RUTG
PSU
Iowa

At Neb

Gives you 8 Big Ten wins......not much room to stumble....they need to win all of those and pull an upset or 2. Or win the BTT.

It might actually help us to play bottom feeders on Wednesday and Thursday in the big ten tournament. Gets us closer to 19 and I think that number gets us at least a play in.

by Guest Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:20 am

DWags wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

Sweep Minn

Split UM

At Home:
NW
RUTG
PSU
Iowa

At Neb

Gives you 8 Big Ten wins......not much room to stumble....they need to win all of those and pull an upset or 2. Or win the BTT.

It might actually help us to play bottom feeders on Wednesday and Thursday in the big ten tournament. Gets us closer to 19 and I think that number gets us at least a play in.

I added tOSU at home, that one should be winnable.

by Guest Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:00 am

by **InTenSity** Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:03 am

MSU would get in on reputation if they get 19-20 wins. Plus pull a couple upsets with bridges back and committee will have no issues putting us in.

by **steveschneider** Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:07 am

I watched tonight, Ward was amazing. I think this team makes it in to the tournament. Izzo will get us there.

As usual the refs were awful. Every time the game felt like it was going to get a good flow along came an asshole referee with a call. Who is running this shit? Can't they tell that the stadiums are quiet? People want to see some contact, and they want better flow to the game.

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