Dallas...

Disgusting, but sadly not surprising.

Shooting random officers in Dallas is probably not the best way to express outrage at wrongdoings in Minnesota and Louisiana.

Travis is smart all of a sudden. This is systematic. 1). we have a gun lobby that pushes for the militarization of our police departments. 2). we have communities embracing cops armed like they're stationed in Ramadi and cops embracing the role of enforcers instead of peace keepers. 3). we have fanatical 2nd amendment philosophies, and 4). We have a significant part of the populace that feels as though they are besieged by an occupying force.

I hate violence, but didn't we all see this coming?

Rocinante wrote:Travis is smart all of a sudden.  This is systematic.  1). we have a gun lobby that pushes for the militarization of our police departments.  2). we have communities embracing cops armed like they're stationed in Ramadi and cops embracing the role of enforcers instead of peace keepers.  3). we have fanatical 2nd amendment philosophies, and 4). We have a significant part of the populace that feels as though they are besieged by an occupying force.

I hate violence, but didn't we all see this coming?    

Roc said it way better than I could but this is dead balls accurate.

What did we think would happen?  

The problem with these tragedies now is they won't bring us together, they'll divide us more. We will call for the beefing up of police forces and we will see more tragedies like the Minnesota car shooting because these cops will have the mentality they are under seige (maybe we all would) One false move and they will protect themselves.

Let's throw in a demigod for president add alcohol and see what happens.

gHost Spartan wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:Disgusting, but sadly not surprising.

True, I was thinking the same thing - I'm surprised that no one's done something like this in the past.

There were the two officers in NYC that were revenge killings back in late '14, but I agree, I've thought for awhile we were going to see this kind of slaughter. I worry now about copycats.

Also, how long have PDs had bombs? I had no idea that was in their already way-too-militarized arsenal.

This was on police is fucking nuts.

I'm sure Obama will give a speech any minute saying he's in solidarity with all the officers who risk their lives daily to keep the peace. I'm sure of it.

Gomer wrote:The police blew the last guy up with a bomb on a robot. That's one way to do it for sure.

That is pretty sweat... fuck that guy

The_Dude wrote:This was on police is fucking nuts.

I'm sure Obama will give a speech any minute saying he's in solidarity with all the officers who risk their lives daily to keep the peace. I'm sure of it.

You're a fucking idiot.

The_Dude wrote:This was on police is fucking nuts.

I'm sure Obama will give a speech any minute saying he's in solidarity with all the officers who risk their lives daily to keep the peace. I'm sure of it.

You're a fucking idiot.

Mind if I join you d wags? Because anybody that blames fucking Obama is a fucking idiot.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Clarett's Folly wrote:

I laughed.

it's obviously very tragic but a certain amount of levity is necessary to combat the idiocy of the "thoughts and prayers" crowd.

Comes from the kumbaya crowd

DWags wrote:

Rocinante wrote:Travis is smart all of a sudden.  This is systematic.  1). we have a gun lobby that pushes for the militarization of our police departments.  2). we have communities embracing cops armed like they're stationed in Ramadi and cops embracing the role of enforcers instead of peace keepers.  3). we have fanatical 2nd amendment philosophies, and 4). We have a significant part of the populace that feels as though they are besieged by an occupying force.

I hate violence, but didn't we all see this coming?    

Roc said it way better than I could but this is dead balls accurate.

What did we think would happen?  

The problem with these tragedies now is they won't bring us together, they'll divide us more. We will call for the beefing up of police forces and we will see more tragedies like the Minnesota car shooting because these cops will have the mentality they are under seige (maybe we all would) One false move and they will protect themselves.

Let's throw in a demigod for president add alcohol and see what happens.

Right on Wags. Police ARE under siege and you are right, this mass mirder of cops will only lease to more cops wrongly killing people because it will make them more on edge.

Want to solve this, fix black youth unemployment that is at 50%. When people have jobs and the economy is good they do less desperate and crazy things.

We desperately need a jobs president.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

The_Dude wrote:This was on police is fucking nuts.

I'm sure Obama will give a speech any minute saying he's in solidarity with all the officers who risk their lives daily to keep the peace. I'm sure of it.

You're a fucking idiot.

Mind if I join you d wags? Because anybody that blames fucking Obama is a fucking idiot.

Please do. He really is. It's my only response to him.

The_Dude wrote:This was on police is fucking nuts.

I'm sure Obama will give a speech any minute saying he's in solidarity with all the officers who risk their lives daily to keep the peace. I'm sure of it.

And you think he's not? Also, let's not be melodramatic. The vast majority of police are not under threat on a daily basis. This "risk their lives" bullshit is over the top.

The_Dude wrote:This was on police is fucking nuts.

I'm sure Obama will give a speech any minute saying he's in solidarity with all the officers who risk their lives daily to keep the peace. I'm sure of it.

Shocking sentiment. Shocking comments. Stop the presses.

This was a victory for the 2nd Amendment though, right?

Saw a former FBI official on CNN who related a now retired upper level colleague had called him yesterday and told he was afraid the two most recent killings earlier in the week were going to act as a reason for someone to go after law enforcement somewhere.

I had said something simlar to my wife right after the shooting in Minneapolis.  I suspect many here felt the same way but no way in hell I would ever post that kind of prediction.

We saw an off duty Texas police officer shot and killed while he was pumping gas in the last year.  I don't think anyone was expecting someone to use what was a peaceful protest with police acting as essentially escorts as a place to kill as many police as possible.

We have a lot of angry people and a lot of people with guns.  That's not a good combination.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

The_Dude wrote:Fucking Obama

At least lebowski identifies himself as the least educated person on the board early on.

It was a joke.

But yeah, Ive given up trying to have rational discourse on online forums years ago. No reasons to get upset over what people post i these threads, 90% are troll responses anyways.

GRR Spartan wrote:Saw a former FBI official on CNN who related a now retired upper level colleague had called him yesterday and told he was afraid the two most recent killings earlier in the week were going to act as a reason for someone to go after law enforcement somewhere.

I had said something simlar to my wife right after the shooting in Minneapolis.  I suspect many here felt the same way but no way in hell I would ever post that kind of prediction.

We saw an off duty Texas police officer shot and killed while he was pumping gas in the last year.  I don't think anyone was expecting someone to use what was a peaceful protest with police acting as essentially escorts as a place to kill as many police as possible.

We have a lot of angry people and a lot of people with guns.  That's not a good combination.

Probably why it worked so well...no when there are protests like these, SWAT will probably setup sharp shooters on rooftops, etc.

Have heard several members of law enforcement leadership say what we are seeing is an outgrowth of poor police staffing because of the years of "fiscal responsibility" .

The belt tightening that has cut police budgets not only keep salaries low so the pool of good people is reduced, it keeps staffing at bare bees levels and guts training budgets.

GRR Spartan wrote:Have heard several members of law enforcement leadership say what we are seeing is an outgrowth of poor police staffing because of the years of "fiscal responsibility" .

The belt tightening that has cut police budgets not only keep salaries low so the pool of good people is reduced, it keeps staffing at bare bees levels and guts training budgets.

Yep, gotta pay for bloated pensions for public workers who never had to save a dime for their own retirement so they can make as much in retirement as the average 40 year old worker.

Time to massively cut pension benefits and up the age of social security benefit payouts.

GRR Spartan wrote:Have heard several members of law enforcement leadership say what we are seeing is an outgrowth of poor police staffing because of the years of "fiscal responsibility" .

The belt tightening that has cut police budgets not only keep salaries low so the pool of good people is reduced, it keeps staffing at bare bees levels and guts training budgets.

Let's start by getting rid of the 1033 program that essentially gives municipalities obsolete or decommissioned military gear. Local police don't need that shit, except for in very rare cases, like SWAT, which should be a tint fraction of a police force. The amount of resources spent maintaining and training on that shit must be enormous.

I like the British method of a lower tier of police that are called "community support officers". They generally live in the communities where they work and know the residency, like beat cops from back in the day. People need to feel as though police are part of the community, not an occupying force.

Just an idea.

Rocinante wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:Have heard several members of law enforcement leadership say what we are seeing is an outgrowth of poor police staffing because of the years of "fiscal responsibility" .

The belt tightening that has cut police budgets not only keep salaries low so the pool of good people is reduced, it keeps staffing at bare bees levels and guts training budgets.

Let's start by getting rid of the 1033 program that essentially gives municipalities obsolete or decommissioned military gear. Local police don't need that shit, except for in very rare cases, like SWAT, which should be a tint fraction of a police force. The amount of resources spent maintaining and training on that shit must be enormous.

I like the British method of a lower tier of police that are called "community support officers". They generally live in the communities where they work and know the residency, like beat cops from back in the day. People need to feel as though police are part of the community, not an occupying force.

Just an idea.

You are correct. The police are as complicit as anyone (and probably more so) in creating this "us versus them" mentality. This is the fruit that kind of thinking bears. Perhaps if they stopped thinking themselves to be soldiers with then enemy being citizens then some of this stuff would calm down. Or we could just go straight police state with it, which is the current track were on.

Clarett's Folly wrote:This was a victory for the 2nd Amendment though, right?

the NRA - America's ISIS - is probably in a sticky dilemma here... first of all, we're supposed to support assault rifles for all Americans, etc - to protect ourselves from the government..

however, the government kills black people.. and you don't hear a word from the NRA - America's ISIS - in support of the black community to protect themselves from the government.

Then, someone exercises their 2nd Amendment right to kill people from the government.. and the NRA - America's ISIS - isn't quite sure how to respond.

Rocinante wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:Have heard several members of law enforcement leadership say what we are seeing is an outgrowth of poor police staffing because of the years of "fiscal responsibility" .

The belt tightening that has cut police budgets not only keep salaries low so the pool of good people is reduced, it keeps staffing at bare bees levels and guts training budgets.

Let's start by getting rid of the 1033 program that essentially gives municipalities obsolete or decommissioned military gear. Local police don't need that shit, except for in very rare cases, like SWAT, which should be a tint fraction of a police force. The amount of resources spent maintaining and training on that shit must be enormous.

I like the British method of a lower tier of police that are called "community support officers". They generally live in the communities where they work and know the residency, like beat cops from back in the day. People need to feel as though police are part of the community, not an occupying force.

Just an idea.

Who feels like police are an occupying force? Thugs and criminals? Not sure those are the people who should be dictating policy.

Or you solution is that in the highest crime areas where police is most needed, to scale back? Doesnt make sense to me.

How about we just learn to fucking respect eachother and tar and feather the race baiters?

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Clarett's Folly wrote:This was a victory for the 2nd Amendment though, right?

the NRA - America's ISIS - is probably in a sticky dilemma here... first of all, we're supposed to support assault rifles for all Americans, etc - to protect ourselves from the government..
however, the government kills black people.. and you don't hear a word from the NRA - America's ISIS - in support of the black community to protect themselves from the government.
Then, someone exercises their 2nd Amendment right to kill people from the government.. and the NRA - America's ISIS - isn't quite sure how to respond.

I love this new meme that somehow the NRA should have spoken out in support of the convicted felon in Louisiana that was illegally carrying a weapon. Pure Bullshit.

And somehow it's the NRA's fault that a Muslim terrorist kills nearly 50 people in a gay club in Orlando. Now it's the NRA's fault that someone kills 5 cops in Dallas.

And if it's not the NRA's fault it's the 2nd amendment's fault. Strange how all the blame is misdirected from the actual fucking criminals to a political organization the liberals disagree with and the Amendment they work to protect.

Just the rampant stupidity made me stay away for the morning, I shouldn't have opened this thread.

Here's one of your "hot takes"...

Dara Yazdani ‏@Dara_Yazdani
In a country w/simmering race hate where you can buy a sniper rifle with your Oreos deaths are inevitable #Dallas



https://twitter.com/Dara_Yazdani/status/751343155606384640

The_Dude wrote:

Rocinante wrote:

Let's start by getting rid of the 1033 program that essentially gives municipalities obsolete or decommissioned military gear. Local police don't need that shit, except for in very rare cases, like SWAT, which should be a tint fraction of a police force. The amount of resources spent maintaining and training on that shit must be enormous.

I like the British method of a lower tier of police that are called "community support officers". They generally live in the communities where they work and know the residency, like beat cops from back in the day. People need to feel as though police are part of the community, not an occupying force.

Just an idea.

Who feels like police are an occupying force? Thugs and criminals? Not sure those are the people who should be dictating policy.

Or you solution is that in the highest crime areas where police is most needed, to scale back? Doesnt make sense to me.

How about we just learn to fucking respect each other and tar and feather the race baiters?

LooseGoose wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:the NRA - America's ISIS - is probably in a sticky dilemma here... first of all, we're supposed to support assault rifles for all Americans, etc - to protect ourselves from the government..
however, the government kills black people.. and you don't hear a word from the NRA - America's ISIS - in support of the black community to protect themselves from the government.
Then, someone exercises their 2nd Amendment right to kill people from the government.. and the NRA - America's ISIS - isn't quite sure how to respond.

I love this new meme that somehow the NRA should have spoken out in support of the convicted felon in Louisiana that was illegally carrying a weapon. Pure Bullshit.

And somehow it's the NRA's fault that a Muslim terrorist kills nearly 50 people in a gay club in Orlando. Now it's the NRA's fault that someone kills 5 cops in Dallas.

And if it's not the NRA's fault it's the 2nd amendment's fault. Strange how all the blame is misdirected from the actual fucking criminals to a political organization the liberals disagree with and the Amendment they work to protect.

Just the rampant stupidity made me stay away for the morning, I shouldn't have opened this thread.

Here's one of your "hot takes"...

Dara Yazdani ‏@Dara_Yazdani
In a country w/simmering race hate where you can buy a sniper rifle with your Oreos deaths are inevitable #Dallas



https://twitter.com/Dara_Yazdani/status/751343155606384640

it's the sort of thing that those of us who are truly "pro-life" tend to believe. I'm sorry it upsets you so much.

The_Dude wrote:

Rocinante wrote:

Let's start by getting rid of the 1033 program that essentially gives municipalities obsolete or decommissioned military gear. Local police don't need that shit, except for in very rare cases, like SWAT, which should be a tint fraction of a police force. The amount of resources spent maintaining and training on that shit must be enormous.

I like the British method of a lower tier of police that are called "community support officers". They generally live in the communities where they work and know the residency, like beat cops from back in the day. People need to feel as though police are part of the community, not an occupying force.

Just an idea.

Who feels like police are an occupying force? Thugs and criminals? Not sure those are the people who should be dictating policy.

Or you solution is that in the highest crime areas where police is most needed, to scale back? Doesnt make sense to me.

How about we just learn to fucking respect eachother and tar and feather the race baiters?

I feel like the police are an occupying force to some extent. That's not the best word for it exactly. But it's close. Am I a thug or a criminal the dude?

I really wish you would have stayed away from this thread as well goose. It was actually going well. Now we get you. Great.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:I really wish you would have stayed away from this thread as well goose. It was actually going well. Now we get you. Great.

Asking Bob and Goose to stay out of a thread about guns and stuff?

LooseGoose wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:the NRA - America's ISIS - is probably in a sticky dilemma here... first of all, we're supposed to support assault rifles for all Americans, etc - to protect ourselves from the government..
however, the government kills black people.. and you don't hear a word from the NRA - America's ISIS - in support of the black community to protect themselves from the government.
Then, someone exercises their 2nd Amendment right to kill people from the government.. and the NRA - America's ISIS - isn't quite sure how to respond.

I love this new meme that somehow the NRA should have spoken out in support of the convicted felon in Louisiana that was illegally carrying a weapon. Pure Bullshit.

And somehow it's the NRA's fault that a Muslim terrorist kills nearly 50 people in a gay club in Orlando. Now it's the NRA's fault that someone kills 5 cops in Dallas.

And if it's not the NRA's fault it's the 2nd amendment's fault. Strange how all the blame is misdirected from the actual fucking criminals to a political organization the liberals disagree with and the Amendment they work to protect.

Just the rampant stupidity made me stay away for the morning, I shouldn't have opened this thread.

Here's one of your "hot takes"...

Dara Yazdani ‏@Dara_Yazdani
In a country w/simmering race hate where you can buy a sniper rifle with your Oreos deaths are inevitable #Dallas



https://twitter.com/Dara_Yazdani/status/751343155606384640

Isnt it funny though the double standards the left employ everyday?

Murder with a gun = blame the NRA and 2nd amendment, not the actual criminal.

Rape = blame entirely the criminal

Funny how the left switches arguments depending on what they are huffing and puffing about.

We also blame the dick or fingers of the criminal. It's not really switching arguments at all.

You'd understand that if you weren't a fucking idiot. But alas.

The_Dude wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:I really wish you would have stayed away from this thread as well goose. It was actually going well. Now we get you. Great.

Asking Bob and Goose to stay out of a thread about guns and stuff?

At least no one else falls for Bob's posts. Goose is a fucking blue gill.

Here's the thing; when elementary school kids are gunned down at Sandy Hook my gun loving friends say "we need guns to fight against a potentially oppressive and tyrannical government."

Gotcha. Cool.

So some guys go out yesterday and use their guns to fight against a government they perceive as oppressive and tyrannical.

So, second amendment right exercised?

Clarett's Folly wrote:Here's the thing; when elementary school kids are gunned down at Sandy Hook my gun loving friends say "we need guns to fight against a potentially oppressive and tyrannical government."

Gotcha. Cool.

So some guys go out yesterday and use their guns to fight against a government they perceive as oppressive and tyrannical.

So, second amendment right exercised?

No, the bottom line is there are strong, independent types out there that don't look towards government employees so they can live their daily lives.

Most people aren't willing to sacrifice rights granted to us in the Bill of Rights because of a few tragedies.

And I know your post is a silly troll, but I dont think the 2nd amendment gives you the right to murder. I could be wrong though.

A few tragedies. Just a few.

Clarett's Folly wrote:Here's the thing; when elementary school kids are gunned down at Sandy Hook my gun loving friends say "we need guns to fight against a potentially oppressive and tyrannical government."

Gotcha. Cool.

So some guys go out yesterday and use their guns to fight against a government they perceive as oppressive and tyrannical.

So, second amendment right exercised?

mic drop

Clarett's Folly wrote:Here's the thing; when elementary school kids are gunned down at Sandy Hook my gun loving friends say "we need guns to fight against a potentially oppressive and tyrannical government."

Gotcha. Cool.

So some guys go out yesterday and use their guns to fight against a government they perceive as oppressive and tyrannical.

So, second amendment right exercised?

this is true... by the NRA and republican standards, what happened in Dallas is exactly what should happen..

kinda screwed up, isn't it?

The_Dude wrote:

Clarett's Folly wrote:Here's the thing; when elementary school kids are gunned down at Sandy Hook my gun loving friends say "we need guns to fight against a potentially oppressive and tyrannical government."

Gotcha. Cool.

So some guys go out yesterday and use their guns to fight against a government they perceive as oppressive and tyrannical.

So, second amendment right exercised?

No, the bottom line is there are strong, independent types out there that don't look towards government employees so they can live their daily lives.

Most people aren't willing to sacrifice rights granted to us in the Bill of Rights because of a few tragedies.

And I know your post is a silly troll, but I dont think the 2nd amendment gives you the right to murder. I could be wrong though.

And who would those be?

"Save me trump!! I need you to change everything because life is so bad! Make America great again for me trump! Help me so much things are so bad and I can't do it myself!"

You're a fucking idiot.