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Lebowski sometimes I don't mind you but you end up getting owned in every single one of these threads

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

The_Dude wrote:


No, the bottom line is there are strong, independent types out there that don't look towards government employees so they can live their daily lives.  

Most people aren't willing to sacrifice rights granted to us in the Bill of Rights because of a few tragedies.

And I know your post is a silly troll, but I dont think the 2nd amendment gives you the right to murder.  I could be wrong though.  

And who would those be?

"Save me trump!! I need you to change everything because life is so bad! Make America great again for me trump! Help me so much things are so bad and I can't do it myself!"

You're a fucking idiot.

You are funny, acting as if the left didnt have a full blown political revolution which they did too.

The rise of Trump and Bernie is due to the last 16 years of terrible, terrible presidency's combined with government no longer working for the people.  If things were great, you'd have had Hilary and Jeb win in landslides.  But things really arent all that good, which is why we have seen political revolutions in both major parties.

Obama is the fist president in the history of our country to never have a 3% GDP growth year. When people cant get jobs and arent making more money then they were years ago, the masses get restless. Thats what we are seeing now. Its always about the economy and its been fairly bad for a long time now.

Fuck man, the Fed cant even raise interests rates from historic lows because the economy is that bad to mediocre.

"Save me federal government! Make me great again! Make all of us great again! I need your help!"

this is the picture the mainstream media is using of one of the gunmen..

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:"Save me federal government! Make me great again! Make all of us great again! I need your help!"

Besides trolling and buzzwords, do you actually have examples?

not this one..

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Lebowski sometimes I don't mind you but you end up getting owned in every single one of these threads

What exactly am I getting owned on?

And is it even possible to get owned in a complete troll thread?

Lefties think the leftis are right and the other side gets 'owned' and the other side thinks the exact same thing.

A righty could say 2+2=4 and the lefty would say you are wrong. That's just where we are at as a country.

The_Dude wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:"Save me federal government! Make me great again! Make all of us great again! I need your help!"

Besides trolling and buzzwords, do you actually have examples?

"There are some of us who don't look to the federal government in our daily lives"

"Save me trump! I'm so unhappy! I need you to save me!"

These are all things you say. They aren't trolling. They are examples.

To be fair Bob, the guy specifically said he wanted to kill white people...so maybe the pic of him the media uses is actually in fact an accurate portrayal?

Maybe the media can dig up 4th grade photos of Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown.

The_Dude wrote:To be fair Bob, the guy specifically said he wanted to kill white people...so maybe the pic of him the media uses is actually in fact an accurate portrayal?

Maybe the media can dig up 4th grade photos of Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown.

so one picture represents him wanting to kill people in the government..

and the other picture represents the government wanting him to kill other people..

got it.

continue with your racist diatribes and "I need the government to come save me" sentiments.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

The_Dude wrote:To be fair Bob, the guy specifically said he wanted to kill white people...so maybe the pic of him the media uses is actually in fact an accurate portrayal?

Maybe the media can dig up 4th grade photos of Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown.

so one picture represents him wanting to kill people in the government..

and the other picture represents the government wanting him to kill other people..

got it.

continue with your racist diatribes and "I need the government to come save me" sentiments.

"I want small government but please save me government! I'm so unhappy and I want change now! I demand change! Help me trump! Make the government smaller but make it save me more!"

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

The_Dude wrote:

Besides trolling and buzzwords, do you actually have examples?

"There are some of us who don't look to the federal government in our daily lives"

"Save me trump! I'm so unhappy! I need you to save me!"

These are all things you say. They aren't trolling. They are examples.

First sentence is correct. And it pisses off the lefties like none other, that there are people out there that actually protect themselves.

Second sentence, not sure Ive ever asked Trump to save me. I think you are missing the bigger picture that people are fed up with know nothing politicians fucking over and selling out the country. You know, like Hilary has done her entire life.

If Hilary gets elected, we will just continue plodding down the same mediocrity. More of the same old same old, which isnt good or bad for most people Id assume.

But nothing would change or get done. More bloated government spending and centralized government telling everyone they know best. Pretty much what we've had my entire adult life.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

The_Dude wrote:To be fair Bob, the guy specifically said he wanted to kill white people...so maybe the pic of him the media uses is actually in fact an accurate portrayal?

Maybe the media can dig up 4th grade photos of Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown.

so one picture represents him wanting to kill people in the government..

and the other picture represents the government wanting him to kill other people..

got it.

continue with your racist diatribes and "I need the government to come save me" sentiments.

Im not sure how you are equating him being a former Army reserve guy and him being a racist who said his motivation was to kill whites, more notably white cops.

Besides learning how to shoot, if you can make a correlation for me, Im all ears!

And your life is miserable. That's why you want to change everything. You couldn't do it on our own. You fucked up. You need the government to change to make your life better.

I on the other hand, lead a pretty happy and successful life. I'd rather not mess with shit that could destabilize that.

Get it now chubs? Go email trump with your ten point plan for how heard the government can save you.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:so one picture represents him wanting to kill people in the government..

and the other picture represents the government wanting him to kill other people..

got it.

continue with your racist diatribes and "I need the government to come save me" sentiments.

"I want small government but please save me government! I'm so unhappy and I want change now! I demand change! Help me trump! Make the government smaller but make it save me more!"

"I need guns to protect me from the government"..

someone uses a gun to kill an agent of the government...

"police are under siege"!!!

The_Dude wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:so one picture represents him wanting to kill people in the government..

and the other picture represents the government wanting him to kill other people..

got it.

continue with your racist diatribes and "I need the government to come save me" sentiments.

Im not sure how you are equating him being a former Army reserve guy and him being a racist who said his motivation was to kill whites, more notably white cops.

Besides learning how to shoot, if you can make a correlation for me, Im all ears!

 - the government that you hate so much.. yet the same government you want to come save you.. trained him to kill.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Dallas....

Got a soft machine

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

The_Dude wrote:

Im not sure how you are equating him being a former Army reserve guy and him being a racist who said his motivation was to kill whites, more notably white cops.

Besides learning how to shoot, if you can make a correlation for me, Im all ears!

 - the government that you hate so much.. yet the same government you want to come save you.. trained him to kill.

I guess I still dont get it.

A former Army reserve guy is racist and shot white cops. The End.

What am I missing? Not sure there is some huge spider web of conspiracies here. Guy committed a hate crime and will have paralyzing agents running through his veins soon enough.

Im outy for the weekend fellas. Enjoy your guns while you still can!

The_Dude wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
 - the government that you hate so much.. yet the same government you want to come save you.. trained him to kill.

I guess I still dont get it.

A former Army reserve guy is racist and shot white cops. The End.

What am I missing? Not sure there is some huge spider web of conspiracies here. Guy committed a hate crime and will have paralyzing agents running through his veins soon enough.

or he was protecting himself from the tyranny of government.. as the NRA and republicans tell him to do.

The_Dude wrote:

Clarett's Folly wrote:Here's the thing; when elementary school kids are gunned down at Sandy Hook my gun loving friends say "we need guns to fight against a potentially oppressive and tyrannical government."

Gotcha. Cool.

So some guys go out yesterday and use their guns to fight against a government they perceive as oppressive and tyrannical.

So, second amendment right exercised?

No, the bottom line is there are strong, independent types out there that don't look towards government employees so they can live their daily lives.  

Most people aren't willing to sacrifice rights granted to us in the Bill of Rights because of a few tragedies.

And I know your post is a silly troll, but I dont think the 2nd amendment gives you the right to murder.  I could be wrong though.  

I can promise I'm not trolling. I've always heard from my gun loving friends that citizens with guns is what stands between freedom and tyranny.
It's one of their favorite bits; Obama is trying to enact martial law and become God Emperor of Dune The United States and step one is taking their guns.

Now he can't have their guns because I bet that's exactly what he wants. And, on top of that we have a little thing called the second amendment to protect us so, if he does, he's in for a fight.

Well, a funny thing happened on the way to resisting tyranny. Turns out that black folk are none to happy about being killed without due process and some are willing to fight to the death for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. So now all of these tactics alluded to by the NRA are being put into effect. People are taking their guns and fighting what they see to be an oppressive government. Seems to me that the NRA should be celebrating these people for standing up for themselves and fighting the power. But they're not... because their rhetoric is all just bullshit... and they didn't really mean the things they said earlier.

Clarett's Folly wrote:

The_Dude wrote:


No, the bottom line is there are strong, independent types out there that don't look towards government employees so they can live their daily lives.  

Most people aren't willing to sacrifice rights granted to us in the Bill of Rights because of a few tragedies.

And I know your post is a silly troll, but I dont think the 2nd amendment gives you the right to murder.  I could be wrong though.  

Well, a funny thing happened on the way to resisting tyranny. Turns out that black folk are none to happy about being killed without due process and some are willing to fight to the death for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. So now all of these tactics alluded to by the NRA are being put into effect. People are taking their guns and fighting what they see to be an oppressive government. Seems to me that the NRA should be celebrating these people for standing up for themselves and fighting the power. But they're not... because their rhetoric is all just bullshit... and they didn't really mean the things they said earlier.

this is 100% accurate.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:or he was protecting himself from the tyranny of government.. as the NRA and republicans tell him to do.

Except he wasn't. But you know that. Stupid statement after stupid statement.

What tyranny was he resisting? Example please.

LooseGoose wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:or he was protecting himself from the tyranny of government.. as the NRA and republicans tell him to do.

Except he wasn't.  But you know that.   Stupid statement after stupid statement.

I realize it doesn't happen very often in the cultural utopia of Mio.. but black people are getting tired of being murdered by government agents just for being black.

Now you can go back to your lawn chair, shade tree and and soft serve ice cream and insist to everyone that will listen how happy you are.

LooseGoose wrote:What tyranny was he resisting? Example please.

"Turns out that black folk are none to happy about being killed without due process and some are willing to fight to the death for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Just like folly said.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:What tyranny was he resisting? Example please.

"Turns out that black folk are none to happy about being killed without due process and some are willing to fight to the death for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Just like folly said.

I don't think reading comprehension goes over too well in Mio..

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:What tyranny was he resisting? Example please.

"Turns out that black folk are none to happy about being killed without due process and some are willing to fight to the death for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Just like folly said.

So were blacks being killed in Dallas? Seems to me the "tyrannical" police were at a protest of Police protecting the very people that were protesting against them. Yep, that's the very definition of tyranny.

Such a pathetic excuse for murder....and you fools are buying it.

Rocinante wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:Have heard several members of law enforcement leadership say what we are seeing is an outgrowth of poor police staffing because of the years of "fiscal responsibility" .

The belt tightening that has cut police budgets not only keep salaries low so the pool of good people is reduced, it keeps staffing at bare bees levels and guts training budgets.

Let's start by getting rid of the 1033 program that essentially gives municipalities obsolete or decommissioned military gear. Local police don't need that shit, except for in very rare cases, like SWAT, which should be a tint fraction of a police force. The amount of resources spent maintaining and training on that shit must be enormous.

I like the British method of a lower tier of police that are called "community support officers". They generally live in the communities where they work and know the residency, like beat cops from back in the day. People need to feel as though police are part of the community, not an occupying force.

Just an idea.

Doesn't last night's event demonstrate the very reason that the Dallas Police Department should have some heavier duty equipment?

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

Except he wasn't.  But you know that.   Stupid statement after stupid statement.

I realize it doesn't happen very often in the cultural utopia of Mio.. but black people are getting tired of being murdered by government agents just for being black.
Now you can go back to your lawn chair, shade tree and and soft serve ice cream and insist to everyone that will listen how happy you are.

You sound angry. Perhaps you need some lessons on creating a cultural utopia?

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:



"Turns out that black folk are none to happy about being killed without due process and some are willing to fight to the death for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Just like folly said.

I don't think reading comprehension goes over too well in Mio..

Goose is a good guy, as a fellow skeptic I can appreciate his point of view.

LooseGoose wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:



"Turns out that black folk are none to happy about being killed without due process and some are willing to fight to the death for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Just like folly said.

So were blacks being killed in Dallas?   Seems to me the "tyrannical" police were at a protest of Police protecting the very people that were protesting against them.   Yep, that's the very definition of tyranny.

Such a pathetic excuse for murder....and you fools are buying it.

So since the killings didn't happen in Dallas, you don't see the correlation or cause . Of course you don't. You live in northern fucking Michigan with a bunch of old white people.

Like you're really trying to throw the reasons out because the 2 recent cop killings of black people didn't happen there. That's really fucking rich.

Now you're worried about the reasons for murder... Now that it's about white cops. Where are the reasons for these black people getting killed before the judicial system can even take place?

God I'm embarrassed to still be willing to talk to someone like you.

Gomer wrote:

Rocinante wrote:

Let's start by getting rid of the 1033 program that essentially gives municipalities obsolete or decommissioned military gear. Local police don't need that shit, except for in very rare cases, like SWAT, which should be a tint fraction of a police force. The amount of resources spent maintaining and training on that shit must be enormous.

I like the British method of a lower tier of police that are called "community support officers". They generally live in the communities where they work and know the residency, like beat cops from back in the day. People need to feel as though police are part of the community, not an occupying force.

Just an idea.

Doesn't last night's event demonstrate the very reason that the Dallas Police Department should have some heavier duty equipment?

Not in my opinion. I have a much lengthier answer I'm willing to discuss. Probably not in this thread though. It's already degraded.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

So were blacks being killed in Dallas?   Seems to me the "tyrannical" police were at a protest of Police protecting the very people that were protesting against them.   Yep, that's the very definition of tyranny.

Such a pathetic excuse for murder....and you fools are buying it.

So since the killings didn't happen in Dallas, you don't see the correlation or cause . Of course you don't. You live in northern fucking Michigan with a bunch of old white people.

Like you're really trying to throw the reasons out because the 2 recent cop killings of black people didn't happen there. That's really fucking rich.

Now you're worried about the reasons for murder... Now that it's about white cops. Where are the reasons for these black people getting killed before the judicial system can even take place?

God I'm embarrassed to still be willing to talk to someone like you.

I've not commented much on the cop killings. The one in LA I'd reserve judgement on. The one in MN looks like the officer (who wasn't "white" under most definitions) paniced and at least is guilty of manslaughter.

So your argument is that one unjust killing justifies another? And you call yourself embarrassed to talk to me? After using that logic?

I live in Northern Michigan now, that doesn't mean I haven't lived in cities. And honestly wtf difference does that make? Is your take more valid because you live in Denver now for a few months? Fuck that.

Heat Miser wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:Also, how long have PDs had bombs? I had no idea that was in their already way-too-militarized arsenal.  

This. What in the actual fuck?!?!? The Dallas PD had, in effect, a mechanical suicide bomber. And if Dallas has them, you can bet other cities have them. I don't like it one bit. Is this really what we want as a country? A populace armed to the teeth policed with military grade weapons by people without military grade training. What could possibly go wrong?

Bomb disposal has long had explosives for disarming or controlled explosion of bombs or suspected packages. My guess is that they didn't have a "bomb" per se but rigged something from what they had on hand that would disable or kill the suspect. Lethal force was certainly justified in this instance, whatever the method.

"I need the 2nd Amendment and guns to protect me from government tyranny"...

"OMFG - BLACK PEOPLE ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE 2nd AMENDMENT AND USING GUNS TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM GOVERNMENT TYRANNY"!!

imagine a world where powerful white men were as upset by gun violence as they are about someone's email account..

Robert J Sakimano wrote:"I need the 2nd Amendment and guns to protect me from government tyranny"....

"OMFG - BLACK PEOPLE ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE 2nd AMENDMENT AND USING GUNS TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM GOVERNMENT TYRANNY"!!

Bob? The 2nd amendment doesn't legalize murder you dumb ass.

LooseGoose wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:"I need the 2nd Amendment and guns to protect me from government tyranny"....

"OMFG - BLACK PEOPLE ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE 2nd AMENDMENT AND USING GUNS TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM GOVERNMENT TYRANNY"!!

Bob? The 2nd amendment doesn't legalize murder you dumb ass.

you seem angry.

oh - and what about participating in the 2nd amendment to protect yourself from government tyranny? Wouldn't that justify murder according to the NRA and republicans?