Re: Give Kirk Cousins some motherfucking props in this thread Swill

[DWags]

They didn’t pull *this* off. They pulled off getting a quarterback in the 20s once with a team already built to compete.

It’s fine though, because this tweet is finally talking about the lions on the other side of things

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No doubt the lions have made the biggest jump in the NFL in the last 3 years. The GM is a big reason.


But a lot of this is a crap shoot.

Here’s what was written about love after the first day. Under “biggest losers in the draft”.

Maybe the Green Bay Packers got too caught up in history.

During the 2005 NFL draft, exactly 15 years before Thursday night’s first round, the Packers struck gold with Aaron Rodgers at pick No. 24. They had Brett Favre. They took Rodgers anyway. It worked out.

On Thursday night, the Packers made the most controversial pick of the draft, trading up to draft Utah State quarterback Jordan Love. On Friday night, their first pick was Boston College running back AJ Dillon, another odd pick. Dillon is a good player, but the Packers have Aaron Jones and Jamaal Williams. The third-round pick was Cincinnati tight end Josiah Deguara, which was considered a major reach.


I personally think both worked out. Dillon is doing well we will see about love. I think he’s going to be better. Face it, last year was probably his real rookie year.

[Travis of the Cosmos]

You keep comparing Jordan love to, in his day, perennial mvp candidate Aaron Rodgers which honestly isn’t fair to love and my more measured approach to evaluating love is probably more fair to him than to jump in with both feet saying “the packers have done it again!” Based on a 9-8 season and a playoff win over the leagues biggest annual playoff chokers.

It could come down in a few years that you look back and realize that the real okie doke was the okie doke you pulled on yourself and that would be very sad indeed

[DWags]

You keep comparing Jordan love to, in his day, perennial mvp candidate Aaron Rodgers which honestly isn’t fair to love and my more measured approach to evaluating love is probably more fair to him than to jump in with both feet saying “the packers have done it again!” Based on a 9-8 season and a playoff win over the leagues biggest annual playoff chokers.

It could come down in a few years that you look back and realize that the real okie doke was the okie doke you pulled on yourself and that would be very sad indeed

I know, you e already said he’s the third best QB in the division.

Oh well.

[NigelUno]

On the other hand, incredibly stupid move by Atlanta

I remember when the board made fun of the packers taking Love. Granted Love didn’t have the injuries. But the packers were roasted for it.


Ok, Nigel, I’ll say it: did the Falcons give the league the ole “Okey Doak”?

Oh nos.

Love was taken at 26 though. Not 8. The Packers were a good team already, and (maybe) had the luxury of planning for the future.

Unless Kirk gets hurt, we're not going to find out if this was smart until 2026. And that means the Falcons still have to add the right pieces in free agency (and the rest of this year's draft). The draft might be overemphasized (and analyzed) vs. free agency, but what's the hit rate on QBs? Less than 50%? Maybe they hit the jackpot with Penix.

I just don't see how this helps you compete with SF, Detroit, Philly, etc.

So either the Falcons think they CAN compete with those teams right now (and can afford to plan for the future), or they realize a division championship is their ceiling (and are planning on having a great team in 2-3 years with Penix as the QB).

[Cameron]

They didn’t pull *this* off. They pulled off getting a quarterback in the 20s once with a team already built to compete.

It’s fine though, because this tweet is finally talking about the lions on the other side of things

[tw]1783680176695435441[/tw]

No doubt the lions have made the biggest jump in the NFL in the last 3 years. The GM is a big reason.  


But a lot of this is a crap shoot.  

Here’s what was written about love after the first day. Under “biggest losers in the draft”.

Maybe the Green Bay Packers got too caught up in history.

During the 2005 NFL draft, exactly 15 years before Thursday night’s first round, the Packers struck gold with Aaron Rodgers at pick No. 24. They had Brett Favre. They took Rodgers anyway. It worked out.

On Thursday night, the Packers made the most controversial pick of the draft, trading up to draft Utah State quarterback Jordan Love. On Friday night, their first pick was Boston College running back AJ Dillon, another odd pick. Dillon is a good player, but the Packers have Aaron Jones and Jamaal Williams. The third-round pick was Cincinnati tight end Josiah Deguara, which was considered a major reach.


I personally think both worked out.  Dillon is doing well we will see about love.    I think he’s going to be better. Face it, last year was probably his real rookie year.  

Dillon was a 2nd rounder and low key sucks. Not a good pick

I'm all in on Love, though, dude is good.

[NigelUno]

So, I guess the Falcons' theory is that they'll need a QB to replace Kirk in 2026, and they don't think they can get a good one late in the 1st round in 2025. They claimed they had Daniels and Penix 1,2 on their draft board.

[NigelUno]

Falcons could have had Justin Fields for a 4th round draft pick, and paid him $3.25 million...and still drafted a QB.

Instead have Kirk for $100 million ($45 million/year for 2 years + $10 million).

So, could have had $96+ million for free agents.

Hmmm.

[The Pantry]

Kirk Cousins shows up to first day of training camp wearing NBA jersey of Michigan State legend

[Rick Saunders]

Kirk Cousins shows up to first day of training camp wearing NBA jersey of Michigan State legend

Here we go... shoulda been the Willis jersey.

[NigelUno]

Kirk Cousins shows up to first day of training camp wearing NBA jersey of Michigan State legend

Here we go... shoulda been the Willis jersey.

That's what I thought it was going to be.

[kingstonlake]

You like that!

[GRR Spartan]

The Falcon’s took a chance signing Cousins coming off Achilles surgery and it paid a dividend tonight. He has an incredible amount of poise when a game is on the line.

Then the Falcon’s have the bonus of Pennix watching Cousins work and practice to learn the NFL game rather than being thrown to the wolves as a rookie like Carolina has done with #1 pick in ‘23 Bryce Young who’s been benched after 2 games in ‘24.

[Heat Miser]

Big night for Captain Kirk!

[duffy munn]

Big night for Captain Kirk!

prime Time Kirk

[NigelUno]

What a game.

[DWags]

What a game.

I honestly think Cousins will retire as one of the most overlooked players in history. He's carried a ton of teams but man he can really spin it. I won't do it now, somebody will, but I'm betting he has HOF numbers. and he won't get in. Why? Because rarely do you geg in on your own. You need teammate help. He has been on some ver "good" teams, but never a great team.

[Heat Miser]

What a game.

I honestly think Cousins will retire as one of the most overlooked players in history.  He's carried a ton of teams but man he can really spin it.  I won't do it now, somebody will, but I'm betting he has HOF numbers.  and he won't get in.  Why?  Because rarely do you geg in on your own. You need teammate help.  He has been on some ver "good" teams, but never a great team.  

The closest comparison to somebody who's already in might be Dan Fouts.

Pro Football QB Hall of Fame Monitor

The only QBs in that didn't win a Super Bowl are Tarkenton, Kelly, Marino, Fouts, and Moon.

[NigelUno]

What a game.

I honestly think Cousins will retire as one of the most overlooked players in history. He's carried a ton of teams but man he can really spin it. I won't do it now, somebody will, but I'm betting he has HOF numbers. and he won't get in. Why? Because rarely do you geg in on your own. You need teammate help. He has been on some ver "good" teams, but never a great team.

Here's the list:

Troy Aikman 1989-2000
George Blanda (Also PK) 1949-1958, 1960-1975
Terry Bradshaw 1970-1983
Len Dawson 1957-1975
John Elway 1983-1998
Brett Favre 1991-2010
Dan Fouts 1973-1987
Otto Graham 1946-1955
Bob Griese 1967-1980
Sonny Jurgensen 1957-1974
Jim Kelly 1986-1996
Bobby Layne 1948-1962
Peyton Manning 1998-2015
Dan Marino 1983-1999
Joe Montana 1979-1994
Warren Moon 1984-2000
Joe Namath 1965-1977
Ken Stabler 1970-1984
Bart Starr 1956-1971
Roger Staubach 1969-1979
Fran Tarkenton 1961-1978
Y.A. Tittle 1948-1964
Johnny Unitas 1956-1973
Norm Van Brocklin 1949-1960
Kurt Warner 1998-2009
Bob Waterfield 1945-1952
Steve Young 1985-1999

If he wins a Super Bowl, he's in.

[duffy munn]

I honestly think Cousins will retire as one of the most overlooked players in history. He's carried a ton of teams but man he can really spin it. I won't do it now, somebody will, but I'm betting he has HOF numbers. and he won't get in. Why? Because rarely do you geg in on your own. You need teammate help. He has been on some ver "good" teams, but never a great team.

Here's the list:

Troy Aikman 1989-2000
George Blanda (Also PK) 1949-1958, 1960-1975
Terry Bradshaw 1970-1983
Len Dawson 1957-1975
John Elway 1983-1998
Brett Favre 1991-2010
Dan Fouts 1973-1987
Otto Graham 1946-1955
Bob Griese 1967-1980
Sonny Jurgensen 1957-1974
Jim Kelly 1986-1996
Bobby Layne 1948-1962
Peyton Manning 1998-2015
Dan Marino 1983-1999
Joe Montana 1979-1994
Warren Moon 1984-2000
Joe Namath 1965-1977
Ken Stabler 1970-1984
Bart Starr 1956-1971
Roger Staubach 1969-1979
Fran Tarkenton 1961-1978
Y.A. Tittle 1948-1964
Johnny Unitas 1956-1973
Norm Van Brocklin 1949-1960
Kurt Warner 1998-2009
Bob Waterfield 1945-1952
Steve Young 1985-1999

If he wins a Super Bowl, he's in.

I don't know about this Nigel. Yes, Cousins had put up huge numbers and a Super Bowl might gain him consideration. He currently ranks 22 all time which is impressive until you look at some guys ranked higher and slightly lower.

Kerry Collins is 21st, Vinny Testaverde is 16th, Drew Bledsoe is 17th and Andy Dalton is 26th. IMO, none of those guys are getting in.

[Cameron]

Here's the list:

Troy Aikman 1989-2000
George Blanda (Also PK) 1949-1958, 1960-1975
Terry Bradshaw 1970-1983
Len Dawson 1957-1975
John Elway 1983-1998
Brett Favre 1991-2010
Dan Fouts 1973-1987
Otto Graham 1946-1955
Bob Griese 1967-1980
Sonny Jurgensen 1957-1974
Jim Kelly 1986-1996
Bobby Layne 1948-1962
Peyton Manning 1998-2015
Dan Marino 1983-1999
Joe Montana 1979-1994
Warren Moon 1984-2000
Joe Namath 1965-1977
Ken Stabler 1970-1984
Bart Starr 1956-1971
Roger Staubach 1969-1979
Fran Tarkenton 1961-1978
Y.A. Tittle 1948-1964
Johnny Unitas 1956-1973
Norm Van Brocklin 1949-1960
Kurt Warner 1998-2009
Bob Waterfield 1945-1952
Steve Young 1985-1999

If he wins a Super Bowl, he's in.

I don't know about this Nigel. Yes, Cousins had put up huge numbers and a Super Bowl might gain him consideration. He currently ranks 22 all time which is impressive until you look at some guys ranked higher and slightly lower.

Kerry Collins is 21st, Vinny Testaverde is 16th, Drew Bledsoe is 17th and Andy Dalton is 26th. IMO, none of those guys are getting in.

Do any of those guys have a Super Bowl? If Kirk gets a ring, I think he's got a good shot. If he also wins Super Bowl MVP (which the winning QB often does), even better chance.

[NigelUno]

Here's the list:

Troy Aikman 1989-2000
George Blanda (Also PK) 1949-1958, 1960-1975
Terry Bradshaw 1970-1983
Len Dawson 1957-1975
John Elway 1983-1998
Brett Favre 1991-2010
Dan Fouts 1973-1987
Otto Graham 1946-1955
Bob Griese 1967-1980
Sonny Jurgensen 1957-1974
Jim Kelly 1986-1996
Bobby Layne 1948-1962
Peyton Manning 1998-2015
Dan Marino 1983-1999
Joe Montana 1979-1994
Warren Moon 1984-2000
Joe Namath 1965-1977
Ken Stabler 1970-1984
Bart Starr 1956-1971
Roger Staubach 1969-1979
Fran Tarkenton 1961-1978
Y.A. Tittle 1948-1964
Johnny Unitas 1956-1973
Norm Van Brocklin 1949-1960
Kurt Warner 1998-2009
Bob Waterfield 1945-1952
Steve Young 1985-1999

If he wins a Super Bowl, he's in.

I don't know about this Nigel. Yes, Cousins had put up huge numbers and a Super Bowl might gain him consideration. He currently ranks 22 all time which is impressive until you look at some guys ranked higher and slightly lower.

Kerry Collins is 21st, Vinny Testaverde is 16th, Drew Bledsoe is 17th and Andy Dalton is 26th. IMO, none of those guys are getting in.

He'll pass Collins with another quarter of football...maybe a half. He could pass Bledsoe if he stays healthy through next year. If he wins a Super Bowl, I think he'd get in. It helps that he's a good dude.

[duffy munn]

Cam and Nigel make good points. I think some of it depends on how much longer he plays. Also makes me wonder if Russell Wilson ( currently 19th) gets in.

If both of them do it kinda makes their legendary college battles even cooler.

[Heat Miser]

Cam and Nigel make good points. I think some of it depends on how much longer he plays. Also makes me wonder if Russell Wilson ( currently 19th) gets in.

If both of them do it kinda makes their legendary college battles even cooler.

Wilson has a Super Bowl ring. Big plus.

Tarkenton had 3 SB appearances. Kelly 4. Marino 1. Only Fouts & Moon never made the SB.

[NigelUno]

Cam and Nigel make good points. I think some of it depends on how much longer he plays. Also makes me wonder if Russell Wilson ( currently 19th) gets in.

If both of them do it kinda makes their legendary college battles even cooler.

Wilson has a Super Bowl ring. Big plus.

Tarkenton had 3 SB appearances. Kelly 4. Marino 1. Only Fouts & Moon never made the SB.

Football Hall of Fame seems to be a little more selective than Baseball Hall of Fame.

[DWags]

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[DWags]

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[Pervis Muldoon]

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[tGreenWay]

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Sorry, I deleted my twitter account ages ago, but I’m “Liking” it in my Spartan heart.



Edit: also, that’s the wrong green!

[NigelUno]

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