Does Nairn's performance against Minny change your thoughts about the starting lineup?

It sure looks like Izzo is going to go with all 4 freshmen starting (once Bridges gets back), but I wonder if the PG spot is more unsettled after Nairn's performance last night. Everything seems to run much more smoothly with Winston in there, but I suspect Izzo is going to start Nairn for at least the next few games.

If Tum Tum is starting that will be a very bad sign for this team because it mean our freshman sensation got hurt or fell apart

Nairn is an NFL prospect, why talk about the basketball team?

LooseGoose wrote:Nairn is an NFL prospect, why talk about the basketball team?

Nairn Island

MattyFresh wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:Nairn is an NFL prospect, why talk about the basketball team?

Nairn Island

Is that when he's at the top of the arc all alone, unguarded, because the defense has no respect for his broken-ass jumper?

I would still start Winston. The offense runs so much better with him. He had a bad game last night. It was his first road big ten game. He needs to keep his confidence.

Clarett's Folly wrote:

MattyFresh wrote:

Nairn Island

Is that when he's at the top of the arc all alone, unguarded, because the defense has no respect for his broken-ass jumper?

Clarett's Folly wrote:

MattyFresh wrote:

Nairn Island

Is that when he's at the top of the arc all alone, unguarded, because the defense has no respect for his broken-ass jumper?

I think you just made Nairn Island a permanent part of my vernacular

No  

His value is to come off the bench as a go like hell, catch me if you can player.
Winston can play fast and Nairn is faster

The Coach seems to like guys that play good defense.  Not sure some of you have noticed.

(I still think Winston starts.)

NigelUno wrote:The Coach seems to like guys that play good defense.  Not sure some of you have noticed.

(I still think Winston starts.)

I notice that and it appears Izzo view of Winston is he will tolerate defensive lapses more because Winston also has an offensive upside.

If defense was the only metric Winston wouldn't be seeing the minutes like he got in last night's first half.

GRR Spartan wrote:

NigelUno wrote:The Coach seems to like guys that play good defense.  Not sure some of you have noticed.

(I still think Winston starts.)

I notice that and it appears Izzo view of Winston is he will tolerate defensive lapses more because Winston also has an offensive upside.

If defense was the only metric Winston wouldn't be seeing the minutes like he got in last night's first half.

Not the only metric, but...we were down by 13 in the 1st Half.

Getting in foul trouble isn't going to help his playing time.

Trust me. If izzo feels Nairn in the lineup disrupts the flow and efficiency of the opponents PG and ability to run their offense, Nairn will get his minutes.

kingstonlake wrote:Trust me. If izzo feels Nairn in the lineup disrupts the flow and efficiency of the opponents PG and ability to run their offense, Nairn will get his minutes.

Agree. But at what point does our offense efficiency become more important than disrupting the opponent's?

Tum Tum isn't even that great of a defender.

The ship has already sailed. Someone throw Nigel a line if he is ready to board.

What are these rumors I'm hearing about Tum Tum entering the NFL combine in the spring? Is this true?

Herbie Green wrote:Tum Tum isn't even that great of a defender.

Turtleneck wrote:What are these rumors I'm hearing about Tum Tum entering the NFL combine in the spring? Is this true?

I think he's actually taller than peppers with only one less interceptions in zero games played.

NigelUno wrote:

Herbie Green wrote:Tum Tum isn't even that great of a defender.

Tum is averaging 0.8 steals per 40, 0.6 for his career.

Winston averages 1.7

Herbie Green wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

Tum is averaging 0.8 steals per 40, 0.6 for his career.

Winston averages 1.7

Are comparing a guy who has 40 or 50 games under his belt to someone who has played in 11? C'mon man, that's a bit misleading. Lets see where things shake out by the end of February.

InTenSity wrote:

Herbie Green wrote:

Tum is averaging 0.8 steals per 40, 0.6 for his career.

Winston averages 1.7

Are comparing a guy who has 40 or 50 games under his belt to someone who has played in 11? C'mon man, that's a bit misleading. Lets see where things shake out by the end of February.

That's Herbie Logic for ya.

InTenSity wrote:

Herbie Green wrote:

Tum is averaging 0.8 steals per 40, 0.6 for his career.

Winston averages 1.7

Are comparing a guy who has 40 or 50 games under his belt to someone who has played in 11? C'mon man, that's a bit misleading. Lets see where things shake out by the end of February.

The next game is tomorrow, not the end of February and Izzo will have to pick a starter for it (ie, the title of this thread)

Herbie Green wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

Tum is averaging 0.8 steals per 40, 0.6 for his career.

Winston averages 1.7

That means Nairn isn't a good defender?

Winston had 2 steals against Minnesota. Nairn had 0. That means Nairn isn't a good defender?

How many fouls did Winston have against Minnesota?

Do you even watch the games?

Why do you think Nairn plays? Why did you think Ellis and Langford played a ton against Minnesota? Is it because Izzo values good defense? This isn't a new concept. He's been our coach for awhile now.

Death Roe wrote:

InTenSity wrote:
Are comparing a guy who has 40 or 50 games under his belt to someone who has played in 11? C'mon man, that's a bit misleading. Lets see where things shake out by the end of February.

That's Herbie Logic for ya.

Yeah, why would I want to use actual games played from this season as logic. I should use smilies (Nigel logic) or future games that haven't been played (InTenSity logic)

InTenSity wrote:

Herbie Green wrote:

Tum is averaging 0.8 steals per 40, 0.6 for his career.

Winston averages 1.7

Are comparing a guy who has 40 or 50 games under his belt to someone who has played in 11? C'mon man, that's a bit misleading. Lets see where things shake out by the end of February.

And 25% of Winston's steals came in one game against Mississippi Valley State...a team that is currently 0-13.

Herbie Green wrote:

Death Roe wrote:

That's Herbie Logic for ya.

Yeah, why would I want to use actual games played from this season as logic. I should use smilies (Nigel logic) or future games that haven't been played (InTenSity logic)

Because the sample size isn't even close to being the same. That's why. That being said, I think Winston should start and Tum should come off the bench. I don't think you can use the first 10-11 games for one player and compare them to a 3rd year player. I do think you could use the stats for a 2nd year player vs a 3rd or 4th year player though.

InTenSity wrote:

Herbie Green wrote:

Yeah, why would I want to use actual games played from this season as logic. I should use smilies (Nigel logic) or future games that haven't been played (InTenSity logic)

Because the sample size isn't even close to being the same. That's why. That being said, I think Winston should start and Tum should come off the bench. I don't think you can use the first 10-11 games for one player and compare them to a 3rd year player. I do think you could use the stats for a 2nd year player vs a 3rd or 4th year player though.

That's Herbie Logic for ya.

Herbie Green wrote:

Death Roe wrote:

That's Herbie Logic for ya.

Yeah, why would I want to use actual games played from this season as logic. I should use smilies (Nigel logic) or future games that haven't been played (InTenSity logic)

Actual games...like the Minnesota game?

What logic did you use for that 10 minute "move on" stat you made up? I'm still kind of waiting on the game logs for that...

NigelUno wrote:

Herbie Green wrote:

Tum is averaging 0.8 steals per 40, 0.6 for his career.

Winston averages 1.7

That means Nairn isn't a good defender?

Winston had 2 steals against Minnesota. Nairn had 0. That means Nairn isn't a good defender?

How many fouls did Winston have against Minnesota?

Do you even watch the games?

Why do you think Nairn plays? Why did you think Ellis and Langford played a ton against Minnesota? Is it because Izzo values good defense? This isn't a new concept. He's been our coach for awhile now.

So do you think Izzo will return Tum to the starting lineup?

InTenSity wrote:

Herbie Green wrote:

Yeah, why would I want to use actual games played from this season as logic. I should use smilies (Nigel logic) or future games that haven't been played (InTenSity logic)

Because the sample size isn't even close to being the same. That's why. That being said, I think Winston should start and Tum should come off the bench. I don't think you can use the first 10-11 games for one player and compare them to a 3rd year player. I do think you could use the stats for a 2nd year player vs a 3rd or 4th year player though.

Well, this is Tum's 3rd year and he is 0.6, 0.6, 0.8. And that is his steals per game not points in case there is confusion.

Do you expect Winston to get worse? Is that why Izzo moved gim into starting lineup?

InTenSity wrote:

Herbie Green wrote:

Yeah, why would I want to use actual games played from this season as logic.  I should use smilies (Nigel logic) or future games that haven't been played (InTenSity logic)

Because the sample size isn't even close to being the same. That's why. That being said, I think Winston should start and Tum should come off the bench. I don't think you can use the first 10-11 games for one player and compare them to a 3rd year player. I do think you could use the stats for a 2nd year player vs a 3rd or 4th year player though.

Well, this is Tum's 3rd year and he is 0.6, 0.6, 0.8.  And that is his steals per game not points in case there is confusion.

Do you expect Winston to get worse?  Is that why Izzo moved gim into starting lineup?

NigelUno wrote:

Herbie Green wrote:

Yeah, why would I want to use actual games played from this season as logic. I should use smilies (Nigel logic) or future games that haven't been played (InTenSity logic)

Actual games...like the Minnesota game?

What logic did you use for that 10 minute "move on" stat you made up? I'm still kind of waiting on the game logs for that...

Do you think Tum will return to the starting lineup based on this one game? Do you really want me to post Tums stats from other games? I already told you he had zero points in the last two games. I am sure he probably averaged 13 like Minny game if I looked it up though

This thread.

Herbie Green wrote:

NigelUno wrote:




That means Nairn isn't a good defender?

Winston had 2 steals against Minnesota. Nairn had 0. That means Nairn isn't a good defender?

How many fouls did Winston have against Minnesota?

Do you even watch the games?

Why do you think Nairn plays? Why did you think Ellis and Langford played a ton against Minnesota? Is it because Izzo values good defense? This isn't a new concept. He's been our coach for awhile now.

So do you think Izzo will return Tum to the starting lineup?

No. I think Winston starts the rest of the way. Izzo will live with the freshman mistakes. The kid is going to be special but right now he is still learning and his lack of athleticism does hurt him a bit.

Now if Tum plays like he did Tuesday night it's a huge bonus for this team. He will still be the back-up but his role will be clearly defined.

I like the PG position on this team.

Herbie Green wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

That means Nairn isn't a good defender?  

Winston had 2 steals against Minnesota.  Nairn had 0.  That means Nairn isn't a good defender?  

How many fouls did Winston have against Minnesota?

Do you even watch the games?

Why do you think Nairn plays?  Why did you think Ellis and Langford played a ton against Minnesota?  Is it because Izzo values good defense?  This isn't a new concept.  He's been our coach for awhile now.

So do you think Izzo will return Tum to the starting lineup?

Uh, Herbie?

I already said (in this thread) that I still think Winston starts.  Seems like your reading comprehension is as bad as your Chicken Little in-game (and other) analysis.

duffy munn wrote:

Herbie Green wrote:

So do you think Izzo will return Tum to the starting lineup?

No. I think Winston starts the rest of the way. Izzo will live with the freshman mistakes. The kid is going to be special but right now he is still learning and his lack of athleticism does hurt him a bit.

Now if Tum plays like he did Tuesday night it's a huge bonus for this team. He will still be the back-up but his role will be clearly defined.

I like the PG position on this team.

Good post. Can you send Nigel a pm?

Herbie Green wrote:

duffy munn wrote:

No. I think Winston starts the rest of the way. Izzo will live with the freshman mistakes. The kid is going to be special but right now he is still learning and his lack of athleticism does hurt him a bit.

Now if Tum plays like he did Tuesday night it's a huge bonus for this team. He will still be the back-up but his role will be clearly defined.

I like the PG position on this team.

Good post. Can you send Nigel a pm?

Again...I already said (in this thread) that I think Winston still starts.

Your logic and analysis need some serious work.

NigelUno wrote:

Herbie Green wrote:

So do you think Izzo will return Tum to the starting lineup?

Uh, Herbie?

I already said (in this thread) that I still think Winston starts.  Seems like your reading comprehension is as bad as your Chicken Little in-game (and other) analysis.

So basically you are just talking about nothing. Got it.

Herbie Green wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

Uh, Herbie?

I already said (in this thread) that I still think Winston starts.  Seems like your reading comprehension is as bad as your Chicken Little in-game (and other) analysis.

So basically you are just talking about nothing. Got it.

If the entire basis of your flawed analysis/logic was the idea that you thought I said Nairn would start...then, it seems that you've been talking about nothing.

So, again...let me suggest that you work on your reading comprehension and your in-game (and other) analysis.

NigelUno wrote:

Herbie Green wrote:

Yeah, why would I want to use actual games played from this season as logic. I should use smilies (Nigel logic) or future games that haven't been played (InTenSity logic)

Actual games...like the Minnesota game?

What logic did you use for that 10 minute "move on" stat you made up? I'm still kind of waiting on the game logs for that...

Lets make this like one of those SAT logic questions. Which 3 numbers are more likely to follow this series: 1,0,0,3,2,0,4,13,0,0,0,1,0,3,0,4,1,0,0,0,13?

A. 17,11,13

B. 0,3,1

Herbie Green wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

Actual games...like the Minnesota game?

What logic did you use for that 10 minute "move on" stat you made up? I'm still kind of waiting on the game logs for that...

Lets make this like one of those SAT logic questions. Which 3 numbers are more likely to follow this series: 1,0,0,3,2,0,4,13,0,0,0,1,0,3,0,4,1,0,0,0,13?

A. 17,11,13

B. 0,3,1

10 minute Herbie has "moved on".