Trump will slash Great Lakes funding by 97%- Here's why I laugh at the electoral college too.

Tip of the iceberg.

While somethings are making headlines, behind the scenes President Trump is signing executive orders to slow waive or eliminate parts or all of things like cell providers no longer being liable if they expose your SS number or crdit card information.  

Corporations wo't have to show the difference in their CEO's pay compared to the rest of its employees.  

Pharmaceutical companies won't have to go through approvals for off label uses of existing drugs.

Environment?  No problem.  Hunters can go back to using lead ammunition, easing of drilling and exploration and 17 automakers are getting upcoming milage targets reduced.

He's even waived rules making it tougher for small contract chicken farmers to sue Tyson and Purdue.  The contracts they get say they can't sue the company buying their chickens and they can't sell to another company.

Chaos brings opportunity

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/us/politics/trump-deregulation-guns-wall-st-climate.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

GRR Spartan wrote:Tip of the iceberg.

While somethings are making headlines, behind the scenes President Trump is signing executive orders to slow waive or eliminate parts or all of things like cell providers no longer being liable if they expose your SS number or crdit card information.

Corporations wo't have to show the difference in their CEO's pay compared to the rest of its employees.

Pharmaceutical companies won't have to go through approvals for off label uses of existing drugs.

Environment? No problem. Hunters can go back to using lead ammunition, easing of drilling and exploration and 17 automakers are getting upcoming milage targets reduced.

He's even waived rules making it easier for small contract chicken farmers to sue Tyson and Purdue.

Chaos brings opportunity

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/us/politics/trump-deregulation-guns-wall-st-climate.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

Scary.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2017/pollution-child-death/en/

Top 5 causes of death in children under 5 years linked to the environment

A companion report, Don't pollute my future! The impact of the environment on children's health, provides a comprehensive overview of the environment’s impact on children’s health, illustrating the scale of the challenge. Every year:

570 000 children under 5 years die from respiratory infections, such as pneumonia, attributable to indoor and outdoor air pollution, and second-hand smoke.
361 000 children under 5 years die due to diarrhoea, as a result of poor access to clean water, sanitation, and hygiene.
270 000 children die during their first month of life from conditions, including prematurity, which could be prevented through access to clean water, sanitation, and hygiene in health facilities as well as reducing air pollution.
200 000 deaths of children under 5 years from malaria could be prevented through environmental actions, such as reducing breeding sites of mosquitoes or covering drinking-water storage.
200 000 children under 5 years die from unintentional injuries attributable to the environment, such as poisoning, falls, and drowning.

Underdeveloped and developing countries' children are hurt the most by pollution but Americans are not unaffected by many of these issues. Getting rid of the EPA will directly harm our nation's children.

Rake, do you think the majorty of Trump voters care about off label use of drugs, CEO pay or changes allowing corporations to be insulated from law suits?

They'll get geeked about lowering or doing away with mileage benchmarks.

The Trump White House and his financial backers are thriving. Even if Trump doesn't make it through his first term, a President Pence sn't going to undo executive orders signed by President Trump.

GRR Spartan wrote:Rake, do you think the majorty of Trump voters care about off label use of drugs, CEO pay or changes allowing corporations to be insulated from law suits?

They'll get geeked about lowering or doing away with mileage benchmarks.

The Trump White House and his financial backers are thriving. Even if Trump doesn't make it through his first term, a President Pence sn't going to undo executive orders signed by President Trump.

I don't think the majority of Trump supporters care about much beyond lowering taxes, banning abortion, enjoying a false sense of security and delusions of the return of millions of low-skill jobs that would support a family in 2017.

GRR Spartan wrote:Rake, do you think the majorty of Trump voters care about off label use of drugs, CEO pay or changes allowing corporations to be insulated from law suits?

They'll get geeked about lowering or doing away with mileage benchmarks.

The Trump White House and his financial backers are thriving. Even if Trump doesn't make it through his first term, a President Pence sn't going to undo executive orders signed by President Trump.

lol

Just Trump, GRR. Just Trump.

GRR Spartan wrote:More fake news.
Business and industry will do a better job of funding Great Lakes clean up than the government because government can't do anything right.
One way they will generate funds will be from the profits outfits like Nestle will make by selling us drinking water.
Around 70,000 people in 3 states made it possible to make a businessman President. This businessman has been myopic his whole career. Why should anyone expect him to change at 70.

Didn't business and industry stop the Asian Carp barrier because it would cost the shipping industry millions of dollars?

As usual all bullshit.

Fake news.

Funding intact.

LooseGoose wrote:As usual all bullshit.

Fake news.

Funding intact.

Calling things fake news when it's not really fake news is really really really dumb. Are you really really really dumb Goose? Because you sound really really really dumb.

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/03/trump_wants_immediate_50m_grea.html

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/28/trump-seeks-great-lakes-cut-help-fund-wall/99752504/

http://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2017/03/30/trump-calls-for-immediate-cut-to-great-lakes-funding-for-mexican-border-wall

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2017/03/16/great-lakes-funding-cuts-trump/99258488/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/midwest/ct-trump-great-lakes-epa-budget-environment-0170303-story.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/epa-great-lakes-restoration-initiative_us_58bdbc03e4b0d8c45f457055

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/great-lakes-cleanup-proposed-budget/

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/16/walker-opposes-trumps-great-lakes-cuts/99264260/

Remember when we were told all that talk about making it possible for individuals to sue the press , changing libel laws was all talk and there was nothing to worry about.

Who recently changed libel laws to shutdown critics? Turkey.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/04/priebus-says-white-house-has-looked-at-changing-libel-laws.html

LooseGoose wrote:As usual all bullshit.

Fake news.

Funding intact.

To Gooses point, I don't know if what this administration says is truthful, if they have follow through on it, if they have a real plan if we should believe them, if we shouldn't ...... it's the most chaotic administration I've ever lived through. These funding cut stories came from OMB, now they're not there. Who knows what these guys are going to do. We'll find out in September maybe. Maybe we won't. Wall? No wall? planned parenthood, maybe, maybe not. Heath care reform? Just joking. N.Korea nuts, "he's a good guy, I respect, I'll talk to him" or whatever.

Jesus.

DWags wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:As usual all bullshit.

Fake news.

Funding intact.

To Gooses point, I don't know if what this administration says is truthful, if they have follow through on it, if they have a real plan if we should believe them, if we shouldn't ...... it's the most chaotic administration I've ever lived through. These funding cut stories came from OMB, now they're not there. Who knows what these guys are going to do. We'll find out in September maybe. Maybe we won't. Wall? No wall? planned parenthood, maybe, maybe not. Heath care reform? Just joking. N.Korea nuts, "he's a good guy, I respect, I'll talk to him" or whatever.

Jesus.

Oh, was Goose saying that the Trump administration was spreading fake news? I'll take back what I said then.

Post 500 stories on it. It was NEVER going to happen. So it was a fake controversy. Fake news.

It did get people worked up and talking about the Great Lakes so there's that.

LooseGoose wrote:Post 500 stories on it. It was NEVER going to happen. So it was a fake controversy. Fake news.

It did get people worked up and talking about the Great Lakes so there's that.

Didn't you write a letter?

Was planned parenthood going to be cut?

LooseGoose wrote:Post 500 stories on it. It was NEVER going to happen. So it was a fake controversy. Fake news.

It did get people worked up and talking about the Great Lakes so there's that.

Explain yourself. Are you saying everything that Trump proposed regarding the Great Lakes was fake, or the news outlets reporting it was fake. I'm guessing I won't get a straight answer, so I'm not sure why I'm asking, but I'll put it out there anyway.

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:Post 500 stories on it. It was NEVER going to happen. So it was a fake controversy. Fake news.

It did get people worked up and talking about the Great Lakes so there's that.

Explain yourself. Are you saying everything that Trump proposed regarding the Great Lakes was fake, or the news outlets reporting it was fake. I'm guessing I won't get a straight answer, so I'm not sure why I'm asking, but I'll put it out there anyway.

Same with planned parenthood. Is that fake? Or were they joking? This shit is confusing.

For reference, here are 213 things that Trump has lied about since taking the oath of office.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/04/29/donald-trump-has-said-100s-of-false-things-heres-all-of-them.html

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:Post 500 stories on it.   It was NEVER going to happen.  So it was a fake controversy.  Fake news.

It did get people worked up and talking about the Great Lakes so there's that.

Explain yourself. Are you saying everything that Trump proposed regarding the Great Lakes was fake, or the news outlets reporting it was fake. I'm guessing I won't get a straight answer, so I'm not sure why I'm asking, but I'll put it out there anyway.

Goose, every time I hear someone say, or read someone type "fake news" with no context I immediately label them a moron. Prove me wrong, please. I'm trying to understand your thought process here.

Goose, are you going to respond anytime soon? Patiently waiting.

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:Goose, are you going to respond anytime soon? Patiently waiting.

I don't get what you don't understand about this one.

- trump says thing
- people are outraged and vocalize their displeasure
- trump fails to do thing in part due to outrage
- trump was never really going to do thing. people were stupid to be outraged. Next time they should just shut up and trust he isn't really going to do the crazy thing. 

You can copy this post into the ACA thread for me. Or the wall thread. Or any other thread really.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:Goose, are you going to respond anytime soon? Patiently waiting.

I don't get what you don't understand about this one.

- trump says thing
- people are outraged and vocalize their displeasure
- trump fails to do thing in part due to outrage
- trump was never really going to do thing. people were stupid to be outraged. Next time they should just shut up and trust he isn't really going to do the crazy thing. 

You can copy this post into the ACA thread for me. Or the wall thread. Or any other thread really.

I think I get it now. Goose is saying that Trump is the worst leader this country ever voted into office and should be forcibly removed so we can heal as a country.

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
I don't get what you don't understand about this one.

- trump says thing
- people are outraged and vocalize their displeasure
- trump fails to do thing in part due to outrage
- trump was never really going to do thing. people were stupid to be outraged. Next time they should just shut up and trust he isn't really going to do the crazy thing. 

You can copy this post into the ACA thread for me. Or the wall thread. Or any other thread really.

I think I get it now. Goose is saying that Trump is the worst leader this country ever voted into office and should be forcibly removed so we can heal as a country.

I don't know about all that. But he's definitely saying he's grossly incompetent.

Really I guess what I'm getting at is that the biggest concern I have, now that trump has shown is that the one thing that is protecting us from him is his incompetence, is that people can't become apathetic about the ridiculous shit as time goes on. If a budget says that he's gonna slash the fuck outta Great Lakes funding, (even though what I actually think goose means is that it was never going to pass congress with that in it and we knew it was highly unlikely,) then people need to make it known that they are outraged. And they need to do it with every single thing for four whole years. Apathy is the only way some crazy shit like that might accidentally be allowed to happen. For now we're doing good, but remaining engaged for the entire term is something that tea party types have shown that they are way more effective at than liberals are. Listening to people like goose and to just settle down and not make waves about something like that would be a terrible terrible mistake.

a similar example- its highly unlikely that trumpcare could pass the senate. Should people calm down and stop calling their house members telling them not to vote for it? No, that would be stupid and they should make as many calls as they can to shut it down asap.

Also fake news was a really poor use of that word by goose and didn't really make sense. It most certainly was real news. Goose is just saying that people should be apathetic. He's wrong.

LooseGoose wrote:

DWags wrote:
EPA?  What EPA?   Great Lakes pollution clean up goes from 300 Million to 10 Million and a "good luck with that" slap on the back.
Frankly, long term planning?  It will kill the tourist and fishing industry.   five years.  Guaranteed.

Hey Wags? Not that I favor this cut....but here's a question.

Would you say the water quality of the Great Lakes improved or deteriorated from 1965-2010?

Got an honest answer for me or an evasion?

Sleeping Bear Dunes closing down swimming holes

Not far from A Great Lake. This and the Asian Carp, I'm bummed for my kids and grand kids. They're fucked. Slash those funds Trump.

Got nothing to do with the funding in question but vent at the damned dumb Trumpanzees

LooseGoose wrote:Got nothing to do with the funding in question but vent at the damned dumb Trumpanzees

Sorry, but we need more funding for DEQ at these times. Everything we can give them.