Re: Mark Dantonio’s $4.3 million bonus day is here

by Banks2Mason Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:30 pm

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
DWags wrote:

Or MSU let football keep concession and parking money and use it for that and recruiting? We will never be an SEC type team but we can do better in a ton of things. Dantonio having to use his own money, money well deserved, would be so MSU. My god, that’s the only way it would happen too. It would be embarrassing. “Hey Saban, 9.5 million? How about we peel 1.5 off and give it to a coordinator?” Saban: “nah, how about you just increase salary of all my coaches?”

MSU vs tSEC isn't really apples to apples.

The other "MSU" has 10 less varsity sports programs... So take the bottom 10 programs at MSU. Kill them all. Roll every penny up into assistant's pay checks. Cheer can be a "club" with parent paying for everything... right?

Good point. Do you want an "athletic department" or a "football department with some other shit thrown in to satisfy federal requirements"?

by **DWags** Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:42 pm

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
DWags wrote:

Or MSU let football keep concession and parking money and use it for that and recruiting? We will never be an SEC type team but we can do better in a ton of things. Dantonio having to use his own money, money well deserved, would be so MSU. My god, that’s the only way it would happen too. It would be embarrassing. “Hey Saban, 9.5 million? How about we peel 1.5 off and give it to a coordinator?” Saban: “nah, how about you just increase salary of all my coaches?”

MSU vs tSEC isn't really apples to apples.

The other "MSU" has 10 less varsity sports programs... So take the bottom 10 programs at MSU. Kill them all. Roll every penny up into assistant's pay checks. Cheer can be a "club" with parent paying for everything... right?

Emmmmm, hello? Know how many golf fundraisers and checks we wrote while Hollis was there? Fortunately we had a kid of a 15 year super bowl winning nfl player, on the team, whose father got tired of Hollis and just wrote checks the last couple years. I guess the coaches salary could also be peeled away, but she does other stuff for MSU and I’m not sure how much extra you get for that. Next time at away games see how many MSU cheerleaders are there. Then look at home games and see how many other kids the other schools send. OSU gives out scholarships and actively recruits the Midwest. Some of their kids are known as “cheerleberties”. It’s a weird world. But the MSU spirit squad shouldn’t be on your list. It’s not a budget drag. Golf? Girls team gets way more than boys team.

Concessions and parking are supposed to go to MSU general to cut food costs for the general population (I think). But if you’ve had a kid there lately, it can’t be helping that much. We need to spend more money on coaches and recruiting but I don’t have an answer as to where they can get the money designated to it from. I think unless we try to get near an OSU or uofm spending wise we’d be consistently better. But that’s just another guess.

by **DWags** Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:45 pm

Banks2Mason wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:

MSU vs tSEC isn't really apples to apples.

The other "MSU" has 10 less varsity sports programs... So take the bottom 10 programs at MSU. Kill them all. Roll every penny up into assistant's pay checks. Cheer can be a "club" with parent paying for everything... right?

Good point. Do you want an "athletic department" or a "football department with some other shit thrown in to satisfy federal requirements"?

Gun to my head? Selfishly, football. However my liberal soul knows that’s wrong. So I’d be conflicted.

by AvgMSUJoe Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:48 pm

Banks2Mason wrote:
Good point. Do you want an "athletic department" or a "football department with some other shit thrown in to satisfy federal requirements"?

Alabama and Auburn have 20 I think... So even with those schools, MSU pays for 5 more sports. (which at... guessing at coaches, secretaries, facilities, etc... say $300 k's/yr * 5...) that would fatten up a bunch of paychecks.

by **NigelUno** Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:50 pm

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
DWags wrote:

Or MSU let football keep concession and parking money and use it for that and recruiting? We will never be an SEC type team but we can do better in a ton of things. Dantonio having to use his own money, money well deserved, would be so MSU. My god, that’s the only way it would happen too. It would be embarrassing. “Hey Saban, 9.5 million? How about we peel 1.5 off and give it to a coordinator?” Saban: “nah, how about you just increase salary of all my coaches?”

MSU vs tSEC isn't really apples to apples.

The other "MSU" has 10 less varsity sports programs... So take the bottom 10 programs at MSU. Kill them all. Roll every penny up into assistant's pay checks. Cheer can be a "club" with parent paying for everything... right?

I hope this doesn't make me a bad person, but I wouldn't have a problem eliminating Swimming, Rowing, Field Hockey, Tennis, and (maybe) Gymnastics.

by AvgMSUJoe Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:55 pm

NigelUno wrote:
I hope this doesn't make me a bad person, but I wouldn't have a problem eliminating Swimming, Rowing, Field Hockey, Tennis, and (maybe) Gymnastics.

Or every woman's sport that doesn't make me feel like a dirty old man... So save the dancers... volleyball... golf for the skirts.... that's about it.

by **DWags** Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:55 pm

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
Banks2Mason wrote:
Good point. Do you want an "athletic department" or a "football department with some other shit thrown in to satisfy federal requirements"?

Alabama and Auburn have 20 I think... So even with those schools, MSU pays for 5 more sports. (which at... guessing at coaches, secretaries, facilities, etc... say $300 k's/yr * 5...) that would fatten up a bunch of paychecks.

But I think the scholarships are split differently at MSU. In other words we may have a men and women’s track team but scholarships are split differently. Golf too. You could keep sports just limit boys scholarships on them till the 85 football are equaled by women’s sports. I know guys who would have played golf baseball or wrestled for free. Would it be fair? Nope. But if we’re looking for ways to get the football team money for coaches and recruiting.

I have no fair answers. But unless we figure something out the football gap will not get much smaller on a consistent basis.

by AvgMSUJoe Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:55 pm

Oh wait. Title 9. Can't

by AvgMSUJoe Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:57 pm

Also, to be fair... they were only paying Blackwell 80 grand, and he delivered recruits (which where headcases) but still... It's not like you need 2-3 million for recruiting.

by **NigelUno** Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:58 pm

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Oh wait. Title 9. Can't

You can cut sports. Scholarships just have to match up across the board.

I think.

by Banks2Mason Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:03 pm

DWags wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:

MSU vs tSEC isn't really apples to apples.

The other "MSU" has 10 less varsity sports programs... So take the bottom 10 programs at MSU. Kill them all. Roll every penny up into assistant's pay checks. Cheer can be a "club" with parent paying for everything... right?

Emmmmm, hello? Know how many golf fundraisers and checks we wrote while Hollis was there? Fortunately we had a kid of a 15 year super bowl winning nfl player, on the team, whose father got tired of Hollis and just wrote checks the last couple years. I guess the coaches salary could also be peeled away, but she does other stuff for MSU and I’m not sure how much extra you get for that. Next time at away games see how many MSU cheerleaders are there. Then look at home games and see how many other kids the other schools send. OSU gives out scholarships and actively recruits the Midwest. Some of their kids are known as “cheerleberties”. It’s a weird world. But the MSU spirit squad shouldn’t be on your list. It’s not a budget drag. Golf? Girls team gets way more than boys team.

Concessions and parking are supposed to go to MSU general to cut food costs for the general population (I think). But if you’ve had a kid there lately, it can’t be helping that much. We need to spend more money on coaches and recruiting but I don’t have an answer as to where they can get the money designated to it from. I think unless we try to get near an OSU or uofm spending wise we’d be consistently better. But that’s just another guess.

wow. i wish MY dad had won 15 straight super bowls

by **Turtleneck** Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:09 pm

So let’s get right to the point. When does Heat deliver our bonuses?

by **Turtleneck** Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:10 pm

Early on in this board’s history, Nigel said there would be bonuses in 2020.

by **DWags** Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:12 pm

Banks2Mason wrote:
DWags wrote:

Emmmmm, hello? Know how many golf fundraisers and checks we wrote while Hollis was there? Fortunately we had a kid of a 15 year super bowl winning nfl player, on the team, whose father got tired of Hollis and just wrote checks the last couple years. I guess the coaches salary could also be peeled away, but she does other stuff for MSU and I’m not sure how much extra you get for that. Next time at away games see how many MSU cheerleaders are there. Then look at home games and see how many other kids the other schools send. OSU gives out scholarships and actively recruits the Midwest. Some of their kids are known as “cheerleberties”. It’s a weird world. But the MSU spirit squad shouldn’t be on your list. It’s not a budget drag. Golf? Girls team gets way more than boys team.

Concessions and parking are supposed to go to MSU general to cut food costs for the general population (I think). But if you’ve had a kid there lately, it can’t be helping that much. We need to spend more money on coaches and recruiting but I don’t have an answer as to where they can get the money designated to it from. I think unless we try to get near an OSU or uofm spending wise we’d be consistently better. But that’s just another guess.

wow. i wish MY dad had won 15 straight super bowls

Point was if you’ve won a super bowl and you’re in the league for that long they’ve probably thrown some cash at him so he could help out way more than golf outings and tailgate visits could. But at MSU it’s how it’s done. As cheap as possible a lot of our sports might not be “club” sports but they just aren’t as big of a drag on the budget as people think.

by **DWags** Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:14 pm

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Oh wait. Title 9. Can't

Yeah, I think it’s scholarships that have to match up. Not sports. But to be sure, I’m still just guessing here.

by **NigelUno** Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:15 pm

IF I was AD:

Assuming Swimming and Tennis scholarships have equal numbers for men and women...Bye bye.

And then some combination of Rowing (W), Field Hockey (W), Gymnastics (W), and Wrestling (M). Throw in Cross Country (M) to make the numbers work.

by **NigelUno** Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:16 pm

DWags wrote:...But to be sure, I’m still just guessing here.

I sense that you have a theme today.

by **duffy munn** Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:16 pm

NigelUno wrote:IF I was AD:

Assuming Swimming and Tennis scholarships have equal numbers for men and women...Bye bye.

And then some combination of Rowing (W), Field Hockey (W), Gymnastics (W), and Wrestling (M). Throw in Cross Country (M) to make the numbers work.

Do any of these sports offer full rides?

by **DWags** Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:19 pm

NigelUno wrote:
DWags wrote:...But to be sure, I’m still just guessing here.

I sense that you have a theme today.

Wearing that hat all day. I just started driving to East Lansing for the game. Was near 75 and 696 but said fuck it. Wife and kid going downtown for the weekend. I’m left to my own devices. I’ll just have a drink and watch on the couch. Save me 35 bucks at Dags and at least 90-100 scalping.

by Banks2Mason Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:20 pm

DWags wrote:
Banks2Mason wrote:

wow. i wish MY dad had won 15 straight super bowls

Point was if you’ve won a super bowl and you’re in the league for that long they’ve probably thrown some cash at him so he could help out way more than golf outings and tailgate visits could. But at MSU it’s how it’s done. As cheap as possible a lot of our sports might not be “club” sports but they just aren’t as big of a drag on the budget as people think.

just making a joke, brah. but you're not wrong. what MSU could really use a billionaire donor who is REALLY into football. we have those alums, but they choose to waste their ample wealth on things like "education" and "art." smh.

by **DWags** Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:21 pm

duffy munn wrote:
NigelUno wrote:IF I was AD:

Assuming Swimming and Tennis scholarships have equal numbers for men and women...Bye bye.

And then some combination of Rowing (W), Field Hockey (W), Gymnastics (W), and Wrestling (M). Throw in Cross Country (M) to make the numbers work.

Do any of these sports offer full rides?

I think they’re allotted, for example, five full rides. Coaches are allowed to divide them up as they see fit. Girls golf might get 7 and boys golf might get 2. Something like that.

by **DWags** Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:22 pm

Banks2Mason wrote:
DWags wrote:

Point was if you’ve won a super bowl and you’re in the league for that long they’ve probably thrown some cash at him so he could help out way more than golf outings and tailgate visits could. But at MSU it’s how it’s done. As cheap as possible a lot of our sports might not be “club” sports but they just aren’t as big of a drag on the budget as people think.

just making a joke, brah. but you're not wrong. what MSU could really use a billionaire donor who is REALLY into football. we have those alums, but they choose to waste their ample wealth on things like "education" and "art." smh.

Unwashed heathens.

by Banks2Mason Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:26 pm

DWags wrote:
duffy munn wrote:

Do any of these sports offer full rides?

I think they’re allotted, for example, five full rides. Coaches are allowed to divide them up as they see fit. Girls golf might get 7 and boys golf might get 2. Something like that.

i'd take five full rides w a field hockey player if ya know what i'm sayin

by **NigelUno** Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:30 pm

DWags wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

I sense that you have a theme today.

Wearing that hat all day. I just started driving to East Lansing for the game. Was near 75 and 696 but said fuck it. Wife and kid going downtown for the weekend. I’m left to my own devices. I’ll just have a drink and watch on the couch. Save me 35 bucks at Dags and at least 90-100 scalping.

Crap. I could have saved you the $90-100. It's going to snow anyway. You better go buy some milk and bread.

by Banks2Mason Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:32 pm

DWags wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

I sense that you have a theme today.

Wearing that hat all day. I just started driving to East Lansing for the game. Was near 75 and 696 but said fuck it. Wife and kid going downtown for the weekend. I’m left to my own devices. I’ll just have a drink and watch on the couch. Save me 35 bucks at Dags and at least 90-100 scalping.

$35 at Dags? My god that's like 20 beers and four olive burgers!

by **DWags** Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:36 pm

NigelUno wrote:
DWags wrote:

Wearing that hat all day. I just started driving to East Lansing for the game. Was near 75 and 696 but said fuck it. Wife and kid going downtown for the weekend. I’m left to my own devices. I’ll just have a drink and watch on the couch. Save me 35 bucks at Dags and at least 90-100 scalping.

Crap. I could have saved you the $90-100. It's going to snow anyway. You better go buy some milk and bread.

Scotch and weed are the closest I can get. I think there’s frozen pizza and grub hub.

by **DWags** Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:37 pm

Banks2Mason wrote:
DWags wrote:

Wearing that hat all day. I just started driving to East Lansing for the game. Was near 75 and 696 but said fuck it. Wife and kid going downtown for the weekend. I’m left to my own devices. I’ll just have a drink and watch on the couch. Save me 35 bucks at Dags and at least 90-100 scalping.

$35 at Dags? My god that's like 20 beers and four olive burgers!

It would have been 3 hours there. 10 bucks an hour at the bar is pretty good.

by **Watch Out Pylon!** Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:39 pm

kingstonlake wrote:
Wally Fairway wrote:came back to see what's up on tSwill, and in this thread
bad decision on my part

Just a civil debate for the most part Wally.

FUCK YOU!

by **Robert J Sakimano** Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:40 pm

Banks2Mason wrote:
DWags wrote:

Wearing that hat all day. I just started driving to East Lansing for the game. Was near 75 and 696 but said fuck it. Wife and kid going downtown for the weekend. I’m left to my own devices. I’ll just have a drink and watch on the couch. Save me 35 bucks at Dags and at least 90-100 scalping.

$35 at Dags? My god that's like 20 beers and four olive burgers!

maybe he was planning on burning some cash in the bathroom to warm it up in there.

Margie and Mark really need to run a heating duct to the men's room.

by Banks2Mason Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:44 pm

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Banks2Mason wrote:

$35 at Dags? My god that's like 20 beers and four olive burgers!
maybe he was planning on burning some cash in the bathroom to warm it up in there.

Margie and Mark really need to run a heating duct to the men's room.

absolutely not. spent a lot of time at dags in my day. pitcher & an olive burger or two after law school finals, every time.

watched the "caper" run game with two of my UM fan buddies when i was probably 22. after that run, the MSU-filled bar pretty much bought us shots for about an hour straight. lotta booze.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:46 pm

Banks2Mason wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: maybe he was planning on burning some cash in the bathroom to warm it up in there.

Margie and Mark really need to run a heating duct to the men's room.

absolutely not. spent a lot of time at dags in my day. pitcher & an olive burger or two after law school finals, every time.

watched the "caper" run game with two of my UM fan buddies when i was probably 22. after that run, the MSU-filled bar pretty much bought us shots for about an hour straight. lotta booze.

I was just making a comment on the fact that it's cold in the bathroom this time of year.

by Banks2Mason Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:49 pm

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Banks2Mason wrote:

absolutely not. spent a lot of time at dags in my day. pitcher & an olive burger or two after law school finals, every time.

watched the "caper" run game with two of my UM fan buddies when i was probably 22. after that run, the MSU-filled bar pretty much bought us shots for about an hour straight. lotta booze.
I was just making a comment on the fact that it's cold in the bathroom this time of year.

i wouldn't know. i cannot fit thru the non-ADA compliant door as i am 2'11" 782 lbs.

by **DWags** Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:57 pm

Banks2Mason wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I was just making a comment on the fact that it's cold in the bathroom this time of year.

i wouldn't know. i cannot fit thru the non-ADA compliant door as i am 2'11" 782 lbs.

It’s one turlit I’ve never shat in. Guy I played high school football with was a bartender there in 85. He’d close Thursday’s and I think Sunday’s. It was our 5th year at MSU. I was subbing in the Lansing district and coaching football at Everette HS. I had no lesson plan responsibilities and made a decision in the morning if I wanted to sub or not. My buddie was in grad school. I’d help him clean up and we’d drink in there till 4 am or so. Not all the time but a few. I’ve probably had enough free tap beer where I haven’t made up for it yet in there money wise.

by AvgMSUJoe Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:16 pm

Banks2Mason wrote:
i'd take five full rides w a field hockey player if ya know what i'm sayin

Mark Dantonio’s $4.3 million bonus day is here - Page 10 1f625

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by **Turtleneck** Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:52 pm

Bump

by **kingstonlake** Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:03 pm

On a log

by **Wally Fairway** Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:29 pm

I'll post these here, from an article in The Athletic today

Instead of fully embracing change this year, Dantonio seemed like the guy who turned his car radio up a few notches in an effort to drown out the obvious clunking noise emanating from under the hood. The result was about what you’d expect: MSU’s football team standing on the side of the road with smoke pouring out of the engine while the rest of the Big Ten’s top half casually drove toward the horizon line. wrote:

Some of it is harsh, but it is hard to say it isn't accurate

by **DWags** Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:17 pm

Wally Fairway wrote:I'll post these here, from an article in The Athletic today

Instead of fully embracing change this year, Dantonio seemed like the guy who turned his car radio up a few notches in an effort to drown out the obvious clunking noise emanating from under the hood. The result was about what you’d expect: MSU’s football team standing on the side of the road with smoke pouring out of the engine while the rest of the Big Ten’s top half casually drove toward the horizon line. wrote:

Instead of fully embracing change this year, Dantonio seemed like the guy who turned his car radio up a few notches in an effort to drown out the obvious clunking noise emanating from under the hood. The result was about what you’d expect: MSU’s football team standing on the side of the road with smoke pouring out of the engine while the rest of the Big Ten’s top half casually drove toward the horizon line. wrote:

Some of it is harsh, but it is hard to say it isn't accurate

What’s accurate? That change wasn’t made to the offense? Hmmm That coaches with different names weren’t on staff in 2019? Or, that production was the same as the previous year or near it? I really think if we all just declared what we wanted changed and, in our opinion, what did and what didn’t, and then, give our thoughts as to why we believe that, it saves all of us time with any potential back and forth we might have.

Because, personally, I’m tired of that generic narrative about the 2019 MSU team.

by **Nordic** Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:44 pm

Wally Fairway wrote:I'll post these here, from an article in The Athletic today

Instead of fully embracing change this year, Dantonio seemed like the guy who turned his car radio up a few notches in an effort to drown out the obvious clunking noise emanating from under the hood. The result was about what you’d expect: MSU’s football team standing on the side of the road with smoke pouring out of the engine while the rest of the Big Ten’s top half casually drove toward the horizon line. wrote:

Instead of fully embracing change this year, Dantonio seemed like the guy who turned his car radio up a few notches in an effort to drown out the obvious clunking noise emanating from under the hood. The result was about what you’d expect: MSU’s football team standing on the side of the road with smoke pouring out of the engine while the rest of the Big Ten’s top half casually drove toward the horizon line. wrote:

Some of it is harsh, but it is hard to say it isn't accurate

I'd say he has definitely turned up the radio, but it is to drowned out those that are questioning his approach. If he's going down, he's going down his way. We'll see if it works out.

The only narrative I don't buy is that he doesn't GAF.

by **kingstonlake** Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:15 pm

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lansingstatejournal.com/amp/4528763002

Blackwells attorneys whining about wanting more time. Dantonios attorneys saying they wasted time on irrelevant questions that had nothing to do with the case.

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