Re: Mark Dantonio’s $4.3 million bonus day is here

by **Watch Out Pylon!** Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:25 pm

GRR Spartan wrote:Good. MSU needs to live up to its contracts and Dantonio (who, with input of from his wife) agreed to a delayed payout of $4.3B. It’s based on the last 10 years.

I expect one or two new faces. Bollman can retire and Dantonio could privately justify to a few other coaches why their contracts won’t be renewed. I don’t expect any clearing the decks of 3 coaches on both sides of the ball.

And people say we don't pay our coaches enough.

by **duffy munn** Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:35 pm

Banks2Mason wrote:
DWags wrote:

LOL. I guess. But I think it would be interesting to see what “standards” we’d all list as wanting him to be accountable for. Ten people ten different lists I’m thinking.

disagree. it's not just the suckiness of the O.

it's that he REFUSES to make any legit changes.

it's that he's a dick to the media and anyone who questions him.

it's that he blames his fucking players and refuses to put any accountability on the guys who are paid handsomely to recruit and develop those players.

he's giving a giant middle finger to the fanbase and i don't know why people refuse to see it.

if fans didn't follow MSU football, go to games, buy gear, and watch games on TV, Mark Dantonio would not be a multi-millionaire.

Spare me the bullshit about "molding young men" or whatever. if CFB wasn't a money printing operation due solely to fan interest, Mark Dantonio would be "molding young men" for $45k a year at some ohio HS while also teaching remedial geometry.

Wow. It almost like Dantonio didn't rise to the top of his profession and do things I never thought possible for MSU football.

But now he barely above 500% so he should be making 45k at an Ohio high school.

Hey I agree that the product is bad right now but c'mon man.

by Banks2Mason Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:37 pm

duffy munn wrote:
Banks2Mason wrote:

disagree. it's not just the suckiness of the O.

it's that he REFUSES to make any legit changes.

it's that he's a dick to the media and anyone who questions him.

it's that he blames his fucking players and refuses to put any accountability on the guys who are paid handsomely to recruit and develop those players.

he's giving a giant middle finger to the fanbase and i don't know why people refuse to see it.

if fans didn't follow MSU football, go to games, buy gear, and watch games on TV, Mark Dantonio would not be a multi-millionaire.

Spare me the bullshit about "molding young men" or whatever. if CFB wasn't a money printing operation due solely to fan interest, Mark Dantonio would be "molding young men" for $45k a year at some ohio HS while also teaching remedial geometry.

Wow. It almost like Dantonio didn't rise to the top of his profession and do things I never thought possible for MSU football.

But now he barely above 500% so he should be making 45k at an Ohio high school.

Hey I agree that the product is bad right now but c'mon man.

this post must be intentionally dense.

i was obviously responding to the assertion of some fans that MD shouldn't be "accountable" to fans. he (and all the other big time coaches in college sports) are rich because of fans. full stop.

nowhere did i say he should be coaching in HS. slow down and read.

by **NigelUno** Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:41 pm

Banks2Mason wrote:
duffy munn wrote:

Wow. It almost like Dantonio didn't rise to the top of his profession and do things I never thought possible for MSU football.

But now he barely above 500% so he should be making 45k at an Ohio high school.

Hey I agree that the product is bad right now but c'mon man.

this post must be intentionally dense.

i was obviously responding to the assertion of some fans that MD shouldn't be "accountable" to fans. he (and all the other big time coaches in college sports) are rich because of fans. full stop.

nowhere did i say he should be coaching in HS. slow down and read.

Who said he shouldn't be accountable?

by Banks2Mason Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:42 pm

NigelUno wrote:
Banks2Mason wrote:

this post must be intentionally dense.

i was obviously responding to the assertion of some fans that MD shouldn't be "accountable" to fans. he (and all the other big time coaches in college sports) are rich because of fans. full stop.

nowhere did i say he should be coaching in HS. slow down and read.

Who said he shouldn't be accountable?

i'm sure you're capable of reading a 2.5-page message board thread.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:46 pm

Banks2Mason wrote:
duffy munn wrote:

Wow. It almost like Dantonio didn't rise to the top of his profession and do things I never thought possible for MSU football.

But now he barely above 500% so he should be making 45k at an Ohio high school.

Hey I agree that the product is bad right now but c'mon man.

this post must be intentionally dense.

i was obviously responding to the assertion of some fans that MD shouldn't be "accountable" to fans. he (and all the other big time coaches in college sports) are rich because of fans. full stop.

nowhere did i say he should be coaching in HS. slow down and read.

I think that was duff's strawman.

by **Cameron** Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:48 pm

Banks2Mason wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Who said he shouldn't be accountable?

i'm sure you're capable of reading a 2.5-page message board thread.

Nigel will point out that no one actually literally said "he shouldn't be accountable" in those exact words in 3... 2... 1...

by **NigelUno** Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:49 pm

Banks2Mason wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Who said he shouldn't be accountable?

i'm sure you're capable of reading a 2.5-page message board thread.

I did.

Who said he shouldn't be held accountable?

by **duffy munn** Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:49 pm

Banks2Mason wrote:
duffy munn wrote:

Wow. It almost like Dantonio didn't rise to the top of his profession and do things I never thought possible for MSU football.

But now he barely above 500% so he should be making 45k at an Ohio high school.

Hey I agree that the product is bad right now but c'mon man.

this post must be intentionally dense.

i was obviously responding to the assertion of some fans that MD shouldn't be "accountable" to fans. he (and all the other big time coaches in college sports) are rich because of fans. full stop.

nowhere did i say he should be coaching in HS. slow down and read.

Oh I read it. You clearly implied that without fans and a being accountable to them he would be molding young men for 45k a year at a high school.

So I will say again that the guy once was at the very top of his profession. He earned his way to the top. And I will also say, again, that he has been failing the last few years.

by Banks2Mason Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:50 pm

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
Banks2Mason wrote:

this post must be intentionally dense.

i was obviously responding to the assertion of some fans that MD shouldn't be "accountable" to fans. he (and all the other big time coaches in college sports) are rich because of fans. full stop.

nowhere did i say he should be coaching in HS. slow down and read.

I think that was duff's strawman.

duffman is THRUSTING in the direction of the problem!

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
Banks2Mason wrote:

this post must be intentionally dense.

i was obviously responding to the assertion of some fans that MD shouldn't be "accountable" to fans. he (and all the other big time coaches in college sports) are rich because of fans. full stop.

nowhere did i say he should be coaching in HS. slow down and read.

I think that was duff's strawman.

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by Banks2Mason Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:51 pm

duffy munn wrote:
Banks2Mason wrote:

this post must be intentionally dense.

i was obviously responding to the assertion of some fans that MD shouldn't be "accountable" to fans. he (and all the other big time coaches in college sports) are rich because of fans. full stop.

nowhere did i say he should be coaching in HS. slow down and read.

Oh I read it. You clearly implied that without fans and a being accountable to them he would be molding young men for 45k a year at a high school.

So I will say again that the guy once was at the very top of his profession. He earned his way to the top. And I will also say, again, that he has been failing the last few years.

and i'm also clearly right. dantonio has, and has been, paid millions because MSU has a large football fan base and because he won. that is indisputable.

by **NigelUno** Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:51 pm

Cameron wrote:
Banks2Mason wrote:

i'm sure you're capable of reading a 2.5-page message board thread.

Nigel will point out that no one actually literally said "he shouldn't be accountable" in those exact words in 3... 2... 1...

Ummm...isn't that the point?

Did someone imply that he shouldn't be held accountable?

by **Cameron** Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:55 pm

NigelUno wrote:
Cameron wrote:

Nigel will point out that no one actually literally said "he shouldn't be accountable" in those exact words in 3... 2... 1...

Ummm...isn't that the point?

Did someone imply that he shouldn't be held accountable?

You are tiresome in the extreme, and you clearly do it on purpose.

by **NigelUno** Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:03 pm

Cameron wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Ummm...isn't that the point?

Did someone imply that he shouldn't be held accountable?

You are tiresome in the extreme, and you clearly do it on purpose.

You should not hold me accountable for that.

by **Cameron** Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:04 pm

NigelUno wrote:
Cameron wrote:

You are tiresome in the extreme, and you clearly do it on purpose.

You should not hold me accountable for that.

Who said I would?

by **tGreenWay** Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:05 pm

Cameron wrote:
Banks2Mason wrote:

i'm sure you're capable of reading a 2.5-page message board thread.

Nigel will point out that no one actually literally said "he shouldn't be accountable" in those exact words in 3... 2... 1...

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by **NigelUno** Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:05 pm

Cameron wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

You should not hold me accountable for that.

Who said I would?

No one.

See how easy that was?

by Banks2Mason Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:11 pm

NigelUno wrote:
Cameron wrote:

Nigel will point out that no one actually literally said "he shouldn't be accountable" in those exact words in 3... 2... 1...

Ummm...isn't that the point?

Did someone imply that he shouldn't be held accountable?

DWags said that he didn't want a coach "who made changes based on admin or fan feelings."

Well, reacting to your employer and the people who pay your salary is basically the definition of accountability.

You're losing, Nigel.

by **DWags** Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:12 pm

kingstonlake wrote:
DWags wrote:

MSU either fires him or shuts the fuck up and let’s him run it his way. Period end of story. Don’t want a coach that makes changes based on admins or fans feelings. Fuck that guy.

Accountability 1. Win. Do that and stay here. Win 7 fuck you you’re out.
So let’s stop pretending about anything else.

This type of checks and balances are why Austin Robertson gets admitted to the University and Dantonio collects a $4 million dollar payday. There is a middle ground and it’s appropriate to require oversight.

Sure. You cant let your coach encourage hazing or allow him to bring in East Mississippi Community college. But telling him his offense or coaches I’m just going to say nope. If you have to do that, then you have the wrong guy. Fire him.

by **tGreenWay** Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:12 pm

I do wish MD would make some kind of a statement letting fans know what’s going on. Not knowing what direction the program is taking, when there are clearly questions to be answered, has been keeping Spartans ripping at Spartans.
I know he has a team to run and hands to shake, and not saying anything is indirectly saying it’s full steam ahead, but without a statement finalizing the focus on next season, fans are in limbo and free to speculate.
Getting everyone on the same page seems like a smart thing to do.

Meanwhile, maybe it’s the lackluster performances the past couple of years, and because it feels like the program is dying on the vine, but I’m closer to Roc and Turtleneck’s view in all of this: It’s getting harder and harder to care.

by Banks2Mason Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:16 pm

DWags wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

This type of checks and balances are why Austin Robertson gets admitted to the University and Dantonio collects a $4 million dollar payday. There is a middle ground and it’s appropriate to require oversight.

Sure. You cant let your coach encourage hazing or allow him to bring in East Mississippi Community college. But telling him his offense or coaches I’m just going to say nope. If you have to do that, then you have the wrong guy. Fire him.

a conversation along those lines can and should be had, and i'm sure it's had regularly at programs across the country. one of the problems is that MSU has a weak AD who isn't going to say shit to MD.

by **NigelUno** Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:25 pm

Banks2Mason wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Ummm...isn't that the point?

Did someone imply that he shouldn't be held accountable?

DWags said that he didn't want a coach "who made changes based on admin or fan feelings."

Well, reacting to your employer and the people who pay your salary is basically the definition of accountability.

You're losing, Nigel.

Yeah. I think you're missing the point.

Accountability begins and ends with the team's record.

Period.

If he changes coaches...if he doesn't change coaches...he's accountable.

No one said he's not accountable for those decisions. He is.

Are you going to hold him less accountable if he changes a few coaches and we still finish 6-6?

by Banks2Mason Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:28 pm

[quote="NigelUno"][quote="Banks2Mason"]

frankly, probably. especially if the offense looked like it was schemed this decade. it would show that he attempted to make a change from his past practices.

what he's done is not make any changes and it hasn't worked. he should do something - ANYTHING - different in the hopes of success.

by **Rocinante** Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:34 pm

Ok! This is getting good. DSF!!!

by **steveschneider** Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:48 pm

Finally a fight on this board that I didn't start. Going to sit back, relax and pop some popcorn.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:52 pm

I actually find this whole conversation to be very boring if I’m honestly with you guys. If anyone would like to fight about that then I guess we could go down that road.

by **Turtleneck** Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:52 pm

NigelUno wrote:
Banks2Mason wrote:

this post must be intentionally dense.

i was obviously responding to the assertion of some fans that MD shouldn't be "accountable" to fans. he (and all the other big time coaches in college sports) are rich because of fans. full stop.

nowhere did i say he should be coaching in HS. slow down and read.

Who said he shouldn't be accountable?

All of the people who have written or said he gets to write his own ending; go out on his terms. In other words, he gets to call the shots on his own accountability.

by **NigelUno** Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:53 pm

Banks2Mason wrote:

frankly, probably. especially if the offense looked like it was schemed this decade. it would show that he attempted to make a change from his past practices.

what he's done is not make any changes and it hasn't worked. he should do something - ANYTHING - different in the hopes of success.

Meaning...you'll be here arguing that he deserves another year because you held him accountable to change coaches and he listened?

OK.

by **NigelUno** Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:55 pm

Turtleneck wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Who said he shouldn't be accountable?

All of the people who have written or said he gets to write his own ending; go out on his terms. In other words, he gets to call the shots on his own accountability.

He was just talking about DWags.

Your post is therefore invalid.

by **Turtleneck** Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:55 pm

NigelUno wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:

All of the people who have written or said he gets to write his own ending; go out on his terms. In other words, he gets to call the shots on his own accountability.

He was just talking about DWags.

Your post is therefore invalid.

Your face is invalid.

by **tGreenWay** Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:01 pm

steveschneider wrote:Finally a fight on this board that I didn't start. Going to sit back, relax and pop some popcorn.

That’s the modern way to enjoy a dsf.

by Banks2Mason Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:03 pm

NigelUno wrote:
Banks2Mason wrote:

frankly, probably. especially if the offense looked like it was schemed this decade. it would show that he attempted to make a change from his past practices.

what he's done is not make any changes and it hasn't worked. he should do something - ANYTHING - different in the hopes of success.

Meaning...you'll be here arguing that he deserves another year because you held him accountable to change coaches and he listened?

OK.

if he shows that he's willing to adapt and try new things, then yes. why is that difficult to understand?

by **tGreenWay** Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:05 pm

I’m not really a part of this but I want it on the record that IB is a chooch.

by **Turtleneck** Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:06 pm

Banks2Mason wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Meaning...you'll be here arguing that he deserves another year because you held him accountable to change coaches and he listened?

OK.

if he shows that he's willing to adapt and try new things, then yes. why is that difficult to understand?

Like pineapple on pizza?

by **DWags** Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:10 pm

Turtleneck wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Who said he shouldn't be accountable?

All of the people who have written or said he gets to write his own ending; go out on his terms. In other words, he gets to call the shots on his own accountability.

I don’t understand this but. Ok.

1. Win.
That’s pretty accountable

If he doesn’t see you later. How he wins short of cheating is his business. Coaches, offense, defense, philosophy, uniforms, team meals, jock straps.

by **steveschneider** Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:11 pm

tGreenWay wrote:I’m not really a part of this but I want it on the record that IB is a chooch.

What's a chooch?

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:12 pm

DWags wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:

All of the people who have written or said he gets to write his own ending; go out on his terms. In other words, he gets to call the shots on his own accountability.

I don’t understand this but. Ok.

1. Win.
That’s pretty accountable

If he doesn’t see you later. How he wins short of cheating is his business. Coaches, offense, defense, philosophy, uniforms, team meals, jock straps.

Is he winning?

by **tGreenWay** Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:14 pm

steveschneider wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:I’m not really a part of this but I want it on the record that IB is a chooch.

What's a chooch?

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/chooch#Noun

by **Heat Miser** Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:14 pm

7-6 with the same coaching staff doesn't produce much hope of anything better next year. In fact, it's likely to be worse given all the talent we're losing. On the other hand, that "talent" didn't perform very well so maybe the new "talent" will be better.

7-6 with a new OC at least makes things curiously interesting. It worked for LSU. Mark Dantonio’s $4.3 million bonus day is here - Page 3 2599972566

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On the other hand. Maybe year 2 of the Brad Salem system will really take off. Don't hold your breath.

In summary, I don't know shit...just like everybody else. Still, I'd like to see some assistants get shit-canned. On the other hand, who's to say we can attract anybody better given the current state of affairs?

by **NigelUno** Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:14 pm

Banks2Mason wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Meaning...you'll be here arguing that he deserves another year because you held him accountable to change coaches and he listened?

OK.

if he shows that he's willing to adapt and try new things, then yes. why is that difficult to understand?

It's not. Just making sure that you have different standards regarding accountability than other people.

Some people will hold him accountable for wins and losses period.

But if he changes a few coaches and is nicer to the media, then you'll lower your standards a bit regarding wins and losses.

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