Question for the Old Timers

Nordic wrote:Perles and Dantonio took over shit shows, took 'em to and won Rose Bowls. Next question.

Nordic wrote:Perles and Dantonio took over shit shows, took 'em to and won Rose Bowls. Next question.

steveschneider wrote:If I’m a young kid sitting in the stands and if I know where the ball is going I have to assume the other team knew where it was going.

duffy munn wrote:

steveschneider wrote:If I’m a young kid sitting in the stands and if I know where the ball is going I have to assume the other team knew where it was going.

And with Lo White they couldn't stop it. With Mandarich and a great o-line the opposing defenses were over matched. 56 carries for White in the Indiana in the game that sent us to Pasadena. We attempted 7 passes in the Rose Bowl and won. 7.

George actually threw the ball more when he had Yarema but once Bobby took over running the ball was the best option.

steveschneider wrote:How badly did George Perles need to modernize his offense? I grew up as a young whipper snappers going to Spartan Games and I remember grown ups frowning about his play calling. Run up the middle, run left, pass on third down and punt.

Heat Miser wrote:

duffy munn wrote:

And with Lo White they couldn't stop it. With Mandarich and a great o-line the opposing defenses were over matched. 56 carries for White in the Indiana in the game that sent us to Pasadena. We attempted 7 passes in the Rose Bowl and won. 7.

George actually threw the ball more when he had Yarema but once Bobby took over running the ball was the best option.

Don't forget MSU still only went 9-2-1 in the "glory" year.

Imagine what Rison & Ingram could've done in offenses that passed more than a handful of times a game.

duffy munn wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:

duffy munn wrote:

And with Lo White they couldn't stop it. With Mandarich and a great o-line the opposing defenses were over matched. 56 carries for White in the Indiana in the game that sent us to Pasadena. We attempted 7 passes in the Rose Bowl and won. 7.

George actually threw the ball more when he had Yarema but once Bobby took over running the ball was the best option.

Don't forget MSU still only went 9-2-1 in the "glory" year.

Imagine what Rison & Ingram could've done in offenses that passed more than a handful of times a game.

It's on George for not have a passing QB. In 1986 Yarema competed 200 passes in 297 attempts. Bobby threw the ball 139 times total in 87.

That said, I will always cherish Spartan football in 1987. Gang Green beat USC twice, U of M and Ohio State.

Heat Miser wrote:

duffy munn wrote:

It's on George for not have a passing QB. In 1986 Yarema competed 200 passes in 297 attempts. Bobby threw the ball 139 times total in 87.

That said, I will always cherish Spartan football in 1987. Gang Green beat USC twice, U of M and Ohio State.

"The best 1-2 team in the country" after getting smoked by FSU & ND. George considered the non-con games to not really count in those days. It was maddening to start every year 1-2ish with a murderous non-con schedule & basically out of the rankings/national conversation & have to climb back up in conference.

Heat Miser wrote:

duffy munn wrote:

It's on George for not have a passing QB. In 1986 Yarema competed 200 passes in 297 attempts. Bobby threw the ball 139 times total in 87.

That said, I will always cherish Spartan football in 1987. Gang Green beat USC twice, U of M and Ohio State.

"The best 1-2 team in the country" after getting smoked by FSU & ND. George considered the non-con games to not really count in those days. It was maddening to start every year 1-2ish with a murderous non-con schedule & basically out of the rankings/national conversation & have to climb back up in conference.

Heat Miser wrote:

duffy munn wrote:

It's on George for not have a passing QB. In 1986 Yarema competed 200 passes in 297 attempts. Bobby threw the ball 139 times total in 87.

That said, I will always cherish Spartan football in 1987. Gang Green beat USC twice, U of M and Ohio State.

"The best 1-2 team in the country" after getting smoked by FSU & ND. George considered the non-con games to not really count in those days. It was maddening to start every year 1-2ish with a murderous non-con schedule & basically out of the rankings/national conversation & have to climb back up in conference.

I.B. Fine wrote:Gosh, it's great to listen to all you old timers regale us...

....especially Greenway, cuz he's oooold!

tGreenWay wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:

"The best 1-2 team in the country" after getting smoked by FSU & ND. George considered the non-con games to not really count in those days. It was maddening to start every year 1-2ish with a murderous non-con schedule & basically out of the rankings/national conversation & have to climb back up in conference.

Damn that CMU.

duffy munn wrote:

steveschneider wrote:If I’m a young kid sitting in the stands and if I know where the ball is going I have to assume the other team knew where it was going.

And with Lo White they couldn't stop it. With Mandarich and a great o-line the opposing defenses were over matched. 56 carries for White in the Indiana in the game that sent us to Pasadena. We attempted 7 passes in the Rose Bowl and won. 7.

George actually threw the ball more when he had Yarema but once Bobby took over running the ball was the best option.

Turtleneck wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:


Damn that CMU.

Fire Up!

Turtleneck wrote:Is Steve older than DWags? DWags fought in the War of 1812.

DWags wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:Is Steve older than DWags? DWags fought in the War of 1812.

11/16/1961

Born in the last upside down year till 6009.

Also born in a cop car in Milwaukee. It’s gonna be the way I’m going out too.

DWags wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:Is Steve older than DWags? DWags fought in the War of 1812.

11/16/1961

Born in the last upside down year till 6009.

Also born in a cop car in Milwaukee. It’s gonna be the way I’m going out too.

Turtleneck wrote:

DWags wrote:

11/16/1961

Born in the last upside down year till 6009.

Also born in a cop car in Milwaukee. It’s gonna be the way I’m going out too.

Now it’s all coming together.

steveschneider wrote:

duffy munn wrote:

And with Lo White they couldn't stop it. With Mandarich and a great o-line the opposing defenses were over matched. 56 carries for White in the Indiana in the game that sent us to Pasadena. We attempted 7 passes in the Rose Bowl and won. 7.

George actually threw the ball more when he had Yarema but once Bobby took over running the ball was the best option.

Yarema was a turnover machine that would give it away in final drives.

I loved Bobby and I think people praising the offense back then are forgetting the majority of games where the fans were just disgusted with the two yard gains and all the punting.

steveschneider wrote:

duffy munn wrote:

And with Lo White they couldn't stop it. With Mandarich and a great o-line the opposing defenses were over matched. 56 carries for White in the Indiana in the game that sent us to Pasadena. We attempted 7 passes in the Rose Bowl and won. 7.

George actually threw the ball more when he had Yarema but once Bobby took over running the ball was the best option.

Yarema was a turnover machine that would give it away in final drives.

I loved Bobby and I think people praising the offense back then are forgetting the majority of games where the fans were just disgusted with the two yard gains and all the punting.

duffy munn wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Yarema was a turnover machine that would give it away in final drives.

I loved Bobby and I think people praising the offense back then are forgetting the majority of games where the fans were just disgusted with the two yard gains and all the punting.

Yarema is a top ten MSU QB in nearly every category despite playing in George's system. He was light years better than Bobby.

steveschneider wrote:

duffy munn wrote:

Yarema is a top ten MSU QB in nearly every category despite playing in George's system. He was light years better than Bobby.

Who had the B10 title and Rosebowl win? Also, we had a mobile qb just needed a modern offense like the Ducks eventually developed and we win it all.

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:'87 was the first year I started following MSU football. I was all "Fuck yeah! Rose Bowls for days bitches!" God, I was pretty stupid kid.

Floyd Robertson wrote:

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:'87 was the first year I started following MSU football. I was all "Fuck yeah! Rose Bowls for days bitches!" God, I was pretty stupid kid.

You shouldn't feel bad. Even most of us old timers thought the Sleeping Giant had permanently awakened. How could we know of the impending shitstorm that would blow us back into the dark ages?

steveschneider wrote:

Floyd Robertson wrote:

You shouldn't feel bad. Even most of us old timers thought the Sleeping Giant had permanently awakened. How could we know of the impending shitstorm that would blow us back into the dark ages?

87, 99 and 13 I thought this it we have arrived.

Floyd Robertson wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

87, 99 and 13 I thought this it we have arrived.

Exactly. Just when we thought we got out, we got sucked back in again.

steveschneider wrote:

Floyd Robertson wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

87, 99 and 13 I thought this it we have arrived.

Exactly. Just when we thought we got out, we got sucked back in again.

I think best part about those highs is the seasons right before it where the team is trending up. The years where you start to notice something different and play makers emerging. Someone does something where you are like huh we might be a season or two away from something special happening. It’s an exhilarating way to spend a Saturday that’s for sure and I think the lows we experience make the highs that much better.

Heat Miser wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

I think best part about those highs is the seasons right before it where the team is trending up. The years where you start to notice something different and play makers emerging. Someone does something where you are like huh we might be a season or two away from something special happening. It’s an exhilarating way to spend a Saturday that’s for sure and I think the lows we experience make the highs that much better.

'12 was a huge disappointment (Maxwell). Wasting Bell & an elite D. '13 was a mess until Cook emerged. Remember the chants for Damion Terry?

Heat Miser wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Yeah, you are correct in thirteen the trending up occured after the ND game. I do think the TCU bowl game gave us a glimmer of hope that we would fill in an important piece.

I think best part about those highs is the seasons right before it where the team is trending up. The years where you start to notice something different and play makers emerging. Someone does something where you are like huh we might be a season or two away from something special happening. It’s an exhilarating way to spend a Saturday that’s for sure and I think the lows we experience make the highs that much better.

'12 was a huge disappointment (Maxwell). Wasting Bell & an elite D. '13 was a mess until Cook emerged. Remember the chants for Damion Terry?