2022 Midterm Elections..

by **Robert J Sakimano** Tue 16 Mar 2021 - 16:01

as we all know, it's not unusual for the party in the White House to lose congressional seats during midterms. I believe it almost always happens.

18 months or so out, I don't see it happening (for now, anyway)

a) Republicans have embraced their bizarre conspiracy theory stuff, voter irregularities, etc.
b) they continue to celebrate their christian hero who lost the House, the Senate, the White House and the popular vote twice.
c) they have, almost across the board, embraced the MAGA terrorists who attacked the Capitol and murdered Americans on January 6th.
d) zero.. none of them.. voted for the economic stimulus package designed to directly benefit struggling Americans. (75% of Americans supported it).
e) they're obstructing Biden's COVID plan (that is clearly working) in hopes that numbers go back up and more Americans die.
f) they don't care - at all - about promoting vaccinations because they know it will lead to a return to 'normal' and an economic spike.

all they have is racist voter suppression.. that is literally their strategy.

also, let's not for get that 6 GOP Senators have stated they are not running for re-election in 2022. That's quite a few folks who do not want to face their constituents in the voting booth next year. Doesn't bode well for the party, I wouldn't think.

I could be wrong, but right now.. 18 months out.. I see Democrats actually picking up seats. Things can (and likely will) change.. it'll be interesting to watch.

by **Cameron** Tue 16 Mar 2021 - 16:07

Democrats gaining in 2022 would be a historical anomaly, but we are in historically anomalous times, so who knows. I certainly won't be holding my breath that the Senate stays blue.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Tue 16 Mar 2021 - 19:14

Bob you of all people should never lose sight of the fact that the game is, and always has been, rigged for conservatives.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2AI1CX

by **MiamiSpartan** Tue 16 Mar 2021 - 20:00

Cameron wrote:Democrats gaining in 2022 would be a historical anomaly, but we are in historically anomalous times, so who knows. I certainly won't be holding my breath that the Senate stays blue.

Agree. I've often pointed out that presidents almost always lose seats in their first midterm, and that is reason for Dems to be very much on guard and not to get a false sense of security due to the reasons Bob mentioned.

But history goes out the window these days. We've never had the majority of an entire party support overthrowing a free and fair election and we've never had a major party openly embrace nutjob conspiracy theories.

by **GRR Spartan** Tue 16 Mar 2021 - 20:58

I have no clue on how the right wingers will get out the vote but I was foolish enough to believe candidate Trump mocking the father of a US Army officer killed in combat would result in him losing in November.

I was wrong. Will never underestimate what racist hate and Republicans changing laws to limit voting can do to re-elect GOP candidates under their perfect government. Minority rule.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Tue 16 Mar 2021 - 21:21

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Bob you of all people should never lose sight of the fact that the game is, and always has been, rigged for conservatives.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2AI1CX

yep - and the mainstream media will.do everything they can to flip the house/senate.

by **kingstonlake** Tue 16 Mar 2021 - 21:33

Can't remember which pundit head said it, but he was fairly accurate. The GOP isn't really about a political ideology anymore.

Hate gays? You got a spot reserved under the MAGA umbrella
Hate Hispanics? You got a spot reserved under the MAGA umbrella
Believe the election was rigged? You got a spot reserved under the MAGA umbrella
Like voter suppression? You got a spot reserved under the MAGA umbrella
Anti vaccine? You got a spot reserved under the MAGA umbrella
Don't believe in science? You got a spot reserved under the MAGA umbrella
Deny global warming? You got a spot reserved under the MAGA umbrella
Conspiracy embracer? You got a spot reserved under the MAGA umbrella
Jan 6 was a hoax? You got a spot reserved under the MAGA umbrella

It's a collection of the supposed aggrieved.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon 23 Aug 2021 - 8:15

Robert J Sakimano wrote:as we all know, it's not unusual for the party in the White House to lose congressional seats during midterms. I believe it almost always happens.

18 months or so out, I don't see it happening (for now, anyway)

a) Republicans have embraced their bizarre conspiracy theory stuff, voter irregularities, etc.
b) they continue to celebrate their christian hero who lost the House, the Senate, the White House and the popular vote twice.
c) they have, almost across the board, embraced the MAGA terrorists who attacked the Capitol and murdered Americans on January 6th.
d) zero.. none of them.. voted for the economic stimulus package designed to directly benefit struggling Americans. (75% of Americans supported it).
e) they're obstructing Biden's COVID plan (that is clearly working) in hopes that numbers go back up and more Americans die.
f) they don't care - at all - about promoting vaccinations because they know it will lead to a return to 'normal' and an economic spike.

all they have is racist voter suppression.. that is literally their strategy.

also, let's not for get that 6 GOP Senators have stated they are not running for re-election in 2022. That's quite a few folks who do not want to face their constituents in the voting booth next year. Doesn't bode well for the party, I wouldn't think.

I could be wrong, but right now.. 18 months out.. I see Democrats actually picking up seats. Things can (and likely will) change.. it'll be interesting to watch.

I posted this when I was under the impression that the Democrats were going to do something about preserving the Constitution and the sacred right to vote.

at this point, Democrats are still believing in the decency of the American voter, along with their level of engagement and intellect. Because of gerrymandering and voter suppression - two things they refuse to address - they will lose the House, the Senate and, likely, never win a majority back again.

the United States will basically be ruled by the American Taliban.

by **Floyd Robertson** Mon 23 Aug 2021 - 8:36

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:as we all know, it's not unusual for the party in the White House to lose congressional seats during midterms. I believe it almost always happens.

18 months or so out, I don't see it happening (for now, anyway)

a) Republicans have embraced their bizarre conspiracy theory stuff, voter irregularities, etc.
b) they continue to celebrate their christian hero who lost the House, the Senate, the White House and the popular vote twice.
c) they have, almost across the board, embraced the MAGA terrorists who attacked the Capitol and murdered Americans on January 6th.
d) zero.. none of them.. voted for the economic stimulus package designed to directly benefit struggling Americans. (75% of Americans supported it).
e) they're obstructing Biden's COVID plan (that is clearly working) in hopes that numbers go back up and more Americans die.
f) they don't care - at all - about promoting vaccinations because they know it will lead to a return to 'normal' and an economic spike.

all they have is racist voter suppression.. that is literally their strategy.

also, let's not for get that 6 GOP Senators have stated they are not running for re-election in 2022. That's quite a few folks who do not want to face their constituents in the voting booth next year. Doesn't bode well for the party, I wouldn't think.

I could be wrong, but right now.. 18 months out.. I see Democrats actually picking up seats. Things can (and likely will) change.. it'll be interesting to watch.
I posted this when I was under the impression that the Democrats were going to do something about preserving the Constitution and the sacred right to vote.

at this point, Democrats are still believing in the decency of the American voter, along with their level of engagement and intellect. Because of gerrymandering and voter suppression - two things they refuse to address - they will lose the House, the Senate and, likely, never win a majority back again.

the United States will basically be ruled by the American Taliban.

The next 10 years of Republican rule should set the country back about 100.

Say goodbye to the planet while we're at it.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Mon 23 Aug 2021 - 8:58

It would be best if Democrats stopped being cowards and pretending as if “middle” was still actually “middle” and not actually “30 yards to the right of middle” but alas, sometimes a duck is just a fuckin duck.

by **steveschneider** Mon 23 Aug 2021 - 9:26

Or young people could actually get out and vote.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Mon 23 Aug 2021 - 9:29

democracy is dying

by **kingstonlake** Mon 23 Aug 2021 - 10:20

steveschneider wrote:Or young people could actually get out and vote.

2022 Midterm Elections.. 200.gif?cid=ddb306a5xx5ycsg6kxj6nchlx4nwdcoc956c9wacahbm9vxt&rid=200

by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon 23 Aug 2021 - 11:16

steveschneider wrote:Or young people could actually get out and vote.

I could be wrong, but didn't we see record turn out from young voters in '18 and '20?

now, of course, whatever the turnout was for their demographic, it was probably still rather abysmal. I'll commend them for turning out, but the Democrats have to now give them (and the rest of the decent Americans) something to turn out again for.

I think the Dems think that decency, intellect and the degree to which the electorate is engaged can overcome voter suppression. If that's the case, they are drastically overestimating the electorate and when the American Taliban takes control in 2022, it'll be too late to do anything about it.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Mon 23 Aug 2021 - 11:18

Robert J Sakimano wrote:, but the Democrats have to now give them (and the rest of the decent Americans) something to turn out again for.

Crazy concept but I think it could work

by **kingstonlake** Mon 23 Aug 2021 - 11:19

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
steveschneider wrote:Or young people could actually get out and vote.
I could be wrong, but didn't we see record turn out from young voters in '18 and '20?

now, of course, whatever the turnout was for their demographic, it was probably still rather abysmal. I'll commend them for turning out, but the Democrats have to now give them (and the rest of the decent Americans) something to turn out again for.

I think the Dems think that decency, intellect and the degree to which the electorate is engaged can overcome voter suppression. If that's the case, they are drastically overestimating the electorate and when the American Taliban takes control in 2022, it'll be too late to do anything about it.

All age demographics were up. It the 18-29 group is the lowest turnout at around 50% I believe

by **kingstonlake** Mon 23 Aug 2021 - 11:31

I wonder if progressives wiil run a socialist with two homes in Vermont, a townhouse in DC, and made a couple million the last two years via capitalism or a someone with a net worth of about $12 million up the pole in 2024.

by **steveschneider** Mon 23 Aug 2021 - 12:37

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
steveschneider wrote:Or young people could actually get out and vote.
I could be wrong, but didn't we see record turn out from young voters in '18 and '20?

now, of course, whatever the turnout was for their demographic, it was probably still rather abysmal. I'll commend them for turning out, but the Democrats have to now give them (and the rest of the decent Americans) something to turn out again for.

I think the Dems think that decency, intellect and the degree to which the electorate is engaged can overcome voter suppression. If that's the case, they are drastically overestimating the electorate and when the American Taliban takes control in 2022, it'll be too late to do anything about it.

Stopping fascists, the environment, the infrastructure bill, ending the war in Afghanistan, the childhood poverty tax credit which could reduce childhood poverty by 50%, improving ACA....I can't believe how many people feel like they aren't getting anything. We on the left care about ending childhood poverty I hope. Still work to be done and gotta keep voting.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon 23 Aug 2021 - 12:56

steveschneider wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: I could be wrong, but didn't we see record turn out from young voters in '18 and '20?

now, of course, whatever the turnout was for their demographic, it was probably still rather abysmal. I'll commend them for turning out, but the Democrats have to now give them (and the rest of the decent Americans) something to turn out again for.

I think the Dems think that decency, intellect and the degree to which the electorate is engaged can overcome voter suppression. If that's the case, they are drastically overestimating the electorate and when the American Taliban takes control in 2022, it'll be too late to do anything about it.

Stopping fascists, the environment, the infrastructure bill, ending the war in Afghanistan, the childhood poverty tax credit which could reduce childhood poverty by 50%, improving ACA....I can't believe how many people feel like they aren't getting anything. We on the left care about ending childhood poverty I hope. Still work to be done and gotta keep voting.

the Democrats are great a policy and there is no arguing that they are on the right side of America and the Constitution.

they're horrible at messaging.. and they don't understand that the mainstream/social media will never.. ever.. be an advocate for them.

what do you think will get more coverage/clicks? Rep. Katie Porter doing math on a white board while breaking down tax code or Rep. Mio Taylor Greene waving a bible and celebrating that an unarmed brown kid who just got murdered by police?

America is a stupid country.. a very stupid country.. and the right knows it.. heck, they celebrate it so much they elect someone who wants to inject bleach into a human being to the highest office in the land.

so while the Democrats are sitting around waiting on Americans to engage with them on the details of tax policy, the Republicans, with help from the mainstream media, are telling Americans that brown people are coming to steal their kids, their guns, their bibles, their homes and their jobs.

I agree with you in theory, dude.. but, my god, the Democrats need to realize who they are dealing with.

by **kingstonlake** Mon 23 Aug 2021 - 12:59

For the life of me I can’t figure out why “you’re a coward and stupid” doesn’t work for the people who want the middle to vote for them.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon 23 Aug 2021 - 13:16

kingstonlake wrote:For the life of me I can’t figure out why “you’re a coward and stupid” doesn’t work for the people who want the middle to vote for them.

you didn't ask me, but I have found that you can't reason with amateur virologists and armchair epidemiologists who have "done my own research" and trust their Facebook friends and mainstream media/pop culture folks over dedicated scientists and world renowned scholars.

if the fact that I think they're stupid upsets them, they lead a more sad life than I already imagined and, as I say a lot, America gets exactly what it deserves.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Mon 23 Aug 2021 - 13:38

kingstonlake wrote:For the life of me I can’t figure out why “you’re a coward and stupid” doesn’t work for the people who want the middle to vote for them.

For the life of me I can’t figure out why “just vote for me because the other guy is bad wahhhhh it’s your fault I don’t win” doesn’t work for coward democrats

by **steveschneider** Mon 23 Aug 2021 - 13:44

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

Stopping fascists, the environment, the infrastructure bill, ending the war in Afghanistan, the childhood poverty tax credit which could reduce childhood poverty by 50%, improving ACA....I can't believe how many people feel like they aren't getting anything. We on the left care about ending childhood poverty I hope. Still work to be done and gotta keep voting.
the Democrats are great a policy and there is no arguing that they are on the right side of America and the Constitution.

they're horrible at messaging.. and they don't understand that the mainstream/social media will never.. ever.. be an advocate for them.

what do you think will get more coverage/clicks? Rep. Katie Porter doing math on a white board while breaking down tax code or Rep. Mio Taylor Greene waving a bible and celebrating that an unarmed brown kid who just got murdered by police?

America is a stupid country.. a very stupid country.. and the right knows it.. heck, they celebrate it so much they elect someone who wants to inject bleach into a human being to the highest office in the land.

so while the Democrats are sitting around waiting on Americans to engage with them on the details of tax policy, the Republicans, with help from the mainstream media, are telling Americans that brown people are coming to steal their kids, their guns, their bibles, their homes and their jobs.

I agree with you in theory, dude.. but, my god, the Democrats need to realize who they are dealing with.

To be clear I do think this country is spiraling down the drain but I still think this system is worth fighting for so I'll continue to vote straight ticket dem as long as I can.

I feel your frustration. We have a broad coalition and tend to do some super dumb ass shit.

I guess one thing to note in Biden's speech on voting laws -

""The 21st century Jim Crow assault is real, it's unrelenting. We're going to challenge it vigorously," Biden said in a passionate address in Philadelphia, where the U.S. Constitution was written and signed. "While this broad assault against voting rights is not unprecedented it's taken on a new, literally pernicious form," with state legislatures seeking to pass laws that would allow partisan officials and state legislatures themselves to determine which votes are valid.

"It's the most dangerous threat to voting and the integrity of free and fair elections in our history," Biden said. "It's unconscionable.""

I think it's clear he understands what's at stake. Needs to take action and move forward. I don't know what the strategy is but he's gotten some things done quickly so I'm hoping we see something roll out soon. If we lose the house it's over. The clips of what happened with the Proud Boys this weekend in Portland were bone chilling. That's Trumps America and we can't let that happen.

by **kingstonlake** Mon 23 Aug 2021 - 16:47

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:For the life of me I can’t figure out why “you’re a coward and stupid” doesn’t work for the people who want the middle to vote for them.

For the life of me I can’t figure out why “just vote for me because the other guy is bad wahhhhh it’s your fault I don’t win” doesn’t work for coward democrats

Put the work in, lazy ass. Stop expecting people to hand you everything you want because you throw a fit. Or never win an election of significance. You’re choice.

by TrapperGus Tue 24 Aug 2021 - 8:35

I am hoping that Biden and the Democratic Leadership understands getting things done in Washington better than I do and that much of the day to day back and forth maneuvering is to provide political cover for people like the Senator from WV who has to try to win in a State which voted overwhelmingly for Trump.

With that in mind I am expecting to see both the "Infrastructure" Bills become law and a I am hoping for modification to the Senate Filibuster Rule to allow a Voting Rights Bill to pass.

Gerrymandering needs to be eliminated, as proposed by the Democratics in their Voting Rights Bill to even start to bring the fight on the ground back to an equal proposition.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Tue 24 Aug 2021 - 8:48

kingstonlake wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

For the life of me I can’t figure out why “just vote for me because the other guy is bad wahhhhh it’s your fault I don’t win” doesn’t work for coward democrats

Put the work in, lazy ass. Stop expecting people to hand you everything you want because you throw a fit. Or never win an election of significance. You’re choice.

steveschneider wrote:Or young people could actually get out and vote.

kingstonlake wrote:
steveschneider wrote:Or young people could actually get out and vote.

You really have no idea how stupid all this sounds from you. You’re literally doing what you tell me not to.

by **steveschneider** Tue 24 Aug 2021 - 9:06

TrapperGus wrote:I am hoping that Biden and the Democratic Leadership understands getting things done in Washington better than I do and that much of the day to day back and forth maneuvering is to provide political cover for people like the Senator from WV who has to try to win in a State which voted overwhelmingly for Trump.

With that in mind I am expecting to see both the "Infrastructure" Bills become law and a I am hoping for modification to the Senate Filibuster Rule to allow a Voting Rights Bill to pass.

Gerrymandering needs to be eliminated, as proposed by the Democratics in their Voting Rights Bill to even start to bring the fight on the ground back to an equal proposition.

About how I see it. I have to believe he’s aware of the problem and has a strategy for it. Might just take time to roll some of these things out effectively.

by TrapperGus Tue 24 Aug 2021 - 9:13

steveschneider wrote:
TrapperGus wrote:I am hoping that Biden and the Democratic Leadership understands getting things done in Washington better than I do and that much of the day to day back and forth maneuvering is to provide political cover for people like the Senator from WV who has to try to win in a State which voted overwhelmingly for Trump.

With that in mind I am expecting to see both the "Infrastructure" Bills become law and a I am hoping for modification to the Senate Filibuster Rule to allow a Voting Rights Bill to pass.

Gerrymandering needs to be eliminated, as proposed by the Democratics in their Voting Rights Bill to even start to bring the fight on the ground back to an equal proposition.

About how I see it. I have to believe he’s aware of the problem and has a strategy for it. Might just take time to roll some of these things out effectively.

I'm really interested to see how Michigan's Redistricting Commission affects the mix in the US House (for Michigan) and in the Michigan Legislature. Unlike some I expect that the Republicans will still hold a majority of the seats, however the majorities will be lower.

by **steveschneider** Tue 24 Aug 2021 - 10:05

TrapperGus wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

About how I see it. I have to believe he’s aware of the problem and has a strategy for it. Might just take time to roll some of these things out effectively.

I'm really interested to see how Michigan's Redistricting Commission affects the mix in the US House (for Michigan) and in the Michigan Legislature. Unlike some I expect that the Republicans will still hold a majority of the seats, however the majorities will be lower.

How concerned are you if the GOP wins the house? End of our democracy level or just another frustrating four years where nothing passes. Also, will Trump be the next speaker of the house?

by **kingstonlake** Tue 24 Aug 2021 - 10:25

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

Put the work in, lazy ass. Stop expecting people to hand you everything you want because you throw a fit. Or never win an election of significance. You’re choice.
steveschneider wrote:Or young people could actually get out and vote.
kingstonlake wrote:

You really have no idea how stupid all this sounds from you. You’re literally doing what you tell me not to.

Your messaging problem is yours, nobody else's. Maybe accept responsibility for it and correct it. Or never win an election of significance. Your choice. Find a message and the right person that motivates people instead of the "you're stupid and coward". Just a thought. Who's the next multi millionaire progressive you're going to support? Serious question.

by **steveschneider** Tue 24 Aug 2021 - 10:30

kingstonlake wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

You really have no idea how stupid all this sounds from you. You’re literally doing what you tell me not to.

Your messaging problem is yours, nobody else's. Maybe accept responsibility for it and correct it. Or never win an election of significance. Your choice. Find a message and the right person that motivates people instead of the "you're stupid and coward". Just a thought. Who's the next multi millionaire progressive you're going to support? Serious question.

Speaking of terrible messaging. Lets just hope candidates running for the house don't go around campaigning that voting for Biden is "like eating a bowl of shit" again.

by TrapperGus Tue 24 Aug 2021 - 10:35

steveschneider wrote:
TrapperGus wrote:

I'm really interested to see how Michigan's Redistricting Commission affects the mix in the US House (for Michigan) and in the Michigan Legislature. Unlike some I expect that the Republicans will still hold a majority of the seats, however the majorities will be lower.

How concerned are you if the GOP wins the house? End of our democracy level or just another frustrating four years where nothing passes. Also, will Trump be the next speaker of the house?

With Biden as President it will be hard for the Republicans to do anything with narrow majorities in Congress, assuming they gain the Senate also, so the risks are, as noted, a power grab during the 2024 election.

With the various roadblocks to the Congress voting the will of the majority of the people, some intended in the Constitution and some not, Democracy has never really been what we have, and that isn't even talking about the 9 unelected voters who can change our laws at a whim. Many of us, but not all, get to vote at election time, but some voters, those with the big bucks, count way more than the rest of us. So with that in mind I don't expect that having the Republicans in charge will change all that much. The biggest threat, IMO, is the Republicans gaining control of enough States to call a Constitutional Convention, something they are trying to do in the background. If that happens they will have a series of Amendments to the Constitution ready to go which will create a major power shift.

by **kingstonlake** Tue 24 Aug 2021 - 10:51

steveschneider wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

Your messaging problem is yours, nobody else's. Maybe accept responsibility for it and correct it. Or never win an election of significance. Your choice. Find a message and the right person that motivates people instead of the "you're stupid and coward". Just a thought. Who's the next multi millionaire progressive you're going to support? Serious question.

Speaking of terrible messaging. Lets just hope candidates running for the house don't go around campaigning that voting for Biden is "like eating a bowl of shit" again.

Help me out. Is that a bad message?

by TrapperGus Tue 24 Aug 2021 - 11:07

kingstonlake wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

Speaking of terrible messaging. Lets just hope candidates running for the house don't go around campaigning that voting for Biden is "like eating a bowl of shit" again.

Help me out. Is that a bad message?

It depends, however campaigns are the art of getting people to vote for you and while some will see that as a reason to vote for Joe others will see it as a reason not to vote for Joe, just because of the crudeness of the language. It could be said is a more polite way, which IMO would be a better message.

by **steveschneider** Tue 24 Aug 2021 - 11:34

TrapperGus wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

How concerned are you if the GOP wins the house? End of our democracy level or just another frustrating four years where nothing passes. Also, will Trump be the next speaker of the house?

With Biden as President it will be hard for the Republicans to do anything with narrow majorities in Congress, assuming they gain the Senate also, so the risks are, as noted, a power grab during the 2024 election.

With the various roadblocks to the Congress voting the will of the majority of the people, some intended in the Constitution and some not, Democracy has never really been what we have, and that isn't even talking about the 9 unelected voters who can change our laws at a whim. Many of us, but not all, get to vote at election time, but some voters, those with the big bucks, count way more than the rest of us. So with that in mind I don't expect that having the Republicans in charge will change all that much. The biggest threat, IMO, is the Republicans gaining control of enough States to call a Constitutional Convention, something they are trying to do in the background. If that happens they will have a series of Amendments to the Constitution ready to go which will create a major power shift.

You are more optimistic than me. I guess after I saw 1/6 and the spreading of the big lie I don't want to see the Republicans hold power any time soon. Worried as well that 2024 if Biden or Harris wins they won't certify the electoral votes. I view them as an extremist fascist party.

by TrapperGus Wed 25 Aug 2021 - 10:54

steveschneider wrote:
TrapperGus wrote:

With Biden as President it will be hard for the Republicans to do anything with narrow majorities in Congress, assuming they gain the Senate also, so the risks are, as noted, a power grab during the 2024 election.

With the various roadblocks to the Congress voting the will of the majority of the people, some intended in the Constitution and some not, Democracy has never really been what we have, and that isn't even talking about the 9 unelected voters who can change our laws at a whim. Many of us, but not all, get to vote at election time, but some voters, those with the big bucks, count way more than the rest of us. So with that in mind I don't expect that having the Republicans in charge will change all that much. The biggest threat, IMO, is the Republicans gaining control of enough States to call a Constitutional Convention, something they are trying to do in the background. If that happens they will have a series of Amendments to the Constitution ready to go which will create a major power shift.

You are more optimistic than me. I guess after I saw 1/6 and the spreading of the big lie I don't want to see the Republicans hold power any time soon. Worried as well that 2024 if Biden or Harris wins they won't certify the electoral votes. I view them as an extremist fascist party.

There is a pretty good chance that the Republicans will take one or both chambers of the US Congress in 2022, in which case if it is the House they will impeach Biden which will fail in the Senate. Thinking that Biden will fill every Judgeship open by 2022 and will work with Republicans if they have Senate after that. With Biden's veto power nothing much happens 2022/2024 and yes, if they have or take the House 2024 then a power grab is likely.

However, what really worries me is a Constitutional Convention.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Wed 3 Nov 2021 - 6:44

America is a stupid country.

America is a racist country.

Combine this with voter suppression and an addiction to social and mainstream media (all rooted in stupidity and racism), and we're in big trouble.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Wed 3 Nov 2021 - 7:47

Robert J Sakimano wrote:America is a stupid country.

America is a racist country.

Combine this with voter suppression and an addiction to social and mainstream media (all rooted in stupidity and racism), and we're in big trouble.

Thank the closest centrist Democrat you can find and meanwhile tell them to get fucked

by **steveschneider** Wed 3 Nov 2021 - 9:43

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:America is a stupid country.

America is a racist country.

Combine this with voter suppression and an addiction to social and mainstream media (all rooted in stupidity and racism), and we're in big trouble.

Thank the closest centrist Democrat you can find and meanwhile tell them to get fucked

At this point it's beyond centrist or progressive. Fun to talk trash over the small progressive vs centrist district battles but the reality is the GOP fights for these elections every day 24/7 365 days a year and 366 a days a year on leap years. They have more funding, and their base buys into loony made up culture wars thanks to Fox/Onan and the church. Just look at some of the suburban school board elections over made up critical race theory - progressives and centrists are getting their asses handed to them.

Batten the hatches 2024 is going to be a shit storm.

by **GRR Spartan** Wed 3 Nov 2021 - 9:45

Spent the last few weeks in NoCal and saw anger, contempt and the havoc the anti-vaxxers/anti-mask/anti-Critical Race Theory/anti-LGBQ can bring to a community.

At the city council meeting that was in-person for 2 meetings and back to online because of protestors shouted down anyone who disagreed. (One outed the mayor's high school child at one meeting). Then the same protestors (about 2 dozen) showed up outside the mayor's home until the police dispersed them and they moved to the chairperson of the council's home.

There are 2 recent episodes of the Freakonomic's podcasts that are worth a listen. Episode #477 "Why is US Media so Negative" and episode #478 "How Can We Break Our Addiction to Contempt" that do a nice job of explaining the current state of politics.

I see what happened in Virginia along with the tie in NJ and see the strength of the "personal liberty" that I see as code for anti-mask/anti-vax/open bigotry. Trump made it acceptable to say anything about anyone.

And so it goes. Time marches on and we might be nearing the end of US Demcracy where the only close votes that are accurate are those Democrats win.

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