Re: Whitmer misses again - Toyota to build battery plant in NC

by Bredo Morstoel Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:41 pm

Trapper Gus wrote:
Bredo Morstoel wrote:

Trying to actively combat a global pandemic is unpopular and therefore bad for her reelection campaign. Probably best to just let it ride and see what happens, right?

And the auto insurance money.... so she's now resorting to buying votes? Fantastic.

This is not leadership.

The State, aka the Governor, is running ads to try to convince people to vaccinate. Since there are a sigificant number of people who hate women, and women with power, and Democratics, who want to "own the libs" having the Governor in them would be counterproductive. Not having herself in them, showing it is not about her, is exactly what leadership is.

Why is that so hard for you to understand? Do you think it is only leadership if it is Trump putting himself out front on every issue, which pissed people off?

The auto insurance reductions were a campaign promise. Paying them out shows that she knows what she is doing.

She was front and center when this COVID thing started. It's statistically as bad as it ever was. And now she's no where to be found.

So was she wrong then or is she wrong now?

I'll take my $3,600 and be plenty happy about it, but that doesn't change the fact that she's avoiding a contentious issue because she wants to be reelected, which is disappointing. She really started off quite well.

by **Trapper Gus** Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:18 pm

You can't be this obtuse, can you?

When this thing started there was no vaccine. Now there is. That makes all the difference.

When this thing started she still had the power to make statewide orders. Now she doesn't. That makes all the difference.

When this thing started the Republicans hadn't turned acting like an adult to help contain it into a political football. Now they have. That makes all the difference.

So all in all, back then what she was doing was seen as a positive, as you are saying. Now it would be seen as negative, due to what the Republicans have done. That makes all the difference.

The solution now is getting to high vaccination rates. The people who are not being vaccinated do not trust her. Therefore, anything she does must be in the background and they cannot be allowed to know she had anything to do with it. Plus, the courts have stripped her of the powers she was using when this all started, so she can do less anyways.

There is nothing she can publicly do, so she is doing nothing publicly. What she is doing behind the scenes is unknown, because it must be, or it will be uneffective.

Anyway, that is all I have to say about that.

As already asked, what you like to see her do?

by Bredo Morstoel Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:17 pm

Trapper Gus wrote:You can't be this obtuse, can you?

When this thing started there was no vaccine. Now there is. That makes all the difference.

When this thing started she still had the power to make statewide orders. Now she doesn't. That makes all the difference.

When this thing started the Republicans hadn't turned acting like an adult to help contain it into a political football. Now they have. That makes all the difference.

So all in all, back then what she was doing was seen as a positive, as you are saying. Now it would be seen as negative, due to what the Republicans have done. That makes all the difference.

The solution now is getting to high vaccination rates. The people who are not being vaccinated do not trust her. Therefore, anything she does must be in the background and they cannot be allowed to know she had anything to do with it. Plus, the courts have stripped her of the powers she was using when this all started, so she can do less anyways.

There is nothing she can publicly do, so she is doing nothing publicly. What she is doing behind the scenes is unknown, because it must be, or it will be uneffective.

Anyway, that is all I have to say about that.

As already asked, what you like to see her do?

So that's it? The idiot science denying Republicans have won, so just give up? That's a bold strategy, Cotton...

by **Trapper Gus** Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:32 pm

Bredo Morstoel wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:You can't be this obtuse, can you?

When this thing started there was no vaccine. Now there is. That makes all the difference.

When this thing started she still had the power to make statewide orders. Now she doesn't. That makes all the difference.

When this thing started the Republicans hadn't turned acting like an adult to help contain it into a political football. Now they have. That makes all the difference.

So all in all, back then what she was doing was seen as a positive, as you are saying. Now it would be seen as negative, due to what the Republicans have done. That makes all the difference.

The solution now is getting to high vaccination rates. The people who are not being vaccinated do not trust her. Therefore, anything she does must be in the background and they cannot be allowed to know she had anything to do with it. Plus, the courts have stripped her of the powers she was using when this all started, so she can do less anyways.

There is nothing she can publicly do, so she is doing nothing publicly. What she is doing behind the scenes is unknown, because it must be, or it will be uneffective.

Anyway, that is all I have to say about that.

As already asked, what you like to see her do?

So that's it? The idiot science denying Republicans have won, so just give up? That's a bold strategy, Cotton...

No.

Whatever she is doing she is doing out of sight because the people she needs to get vaccinated are people whom the Republicans have poisoned the well for or who are afraid that they are being used as ginny pigs.

Leaders understand their limitations and use others to achieve their ends when the leaders' limitations cannot be overcome.

Just because we can't see what is being done doesn't mean nothing is being done. As I said, I have noticed "get vaxed" billboards all around the state. I'm sure the state is paying for them.

You failed to answer the question on what you think she should do.

by **NigelUno** Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:46 pm

Bredo Morstoel wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:You can't be this obtuse, can you?

When this thing started there was no vaccine. Now there is. That makes all the difference.

When this thing started she still had the power to make statewide orders. Now she doesn't. That makes all the difference.

When this thing started the Republicans hadn't turned acting like an adult to help contain it into a political football. Now they have. That makes all the difference.

So all in all, back then what she was doing was seen as a positive, as you are saying. Now it would be seen as negative, due to what the Republicans have done. That makes all the difference.

The solution now is getting to high vaccination rates. The people who are not being vaccinated do not trust her. Therefore, anything she does must be in the background and they cannot be allowed to know she had anything to do with it. Plus, the courts have stripped her of the powers she was using when this all started, so she can do less anyways.

There is nothing she can publicly do, so she is doing nothing publicly. What she is doing behind the scenes is unknown, because it must be, or it will be uneffective.

Anyway, that is all I have to say about that.

As already asked, what you like to see her do?

So that's it? The idiot science denying Republicans have won, so just give up? That's a bold strategy, Cotton...

You have to be the smartest guy on this whole COVID thing. Can you set up some town hall meetings where the idiot science denying Republicans meet with Whitmer (and she convinces them to get the shots)?

That would be great.

by **Trapper Gus** Thu Dec 09, 2021 8:15 am

This seems to be on topic?

https://www.bridgemi.com/business-watch/after-losing-out-ford-plants-michigan-fast-tracks-new-business-incentives

by **Trapper Gus** Sat Dec 11, 2021 9:47 am

Thinking about it, Governor Whitmer really reduced her public exposure after the plot to kidnap and murder her was exposed. Maybe that had something to do with it?

Also, about covid, there are others telling us to get the shot.

https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2021/12/vaccination-is-only-way-out-leaders-say-and-urge-shots-to-help-ease-stress-on-hospital-system.html

by RQA Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:32 am

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/gretchen-whitmer-was-considered-a-rising-star-but-her-covid-response-has-been-terrible-since-the-beginning

This opinion piece also points out that Whitmer was once everywhere and now MIA. Also points out that MI has a lower vaccination rate than than those "poorly" governed states of TX and FL.

by **DWags** Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:37 am

RQA wrote:https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/gretchen-whitmer-was-considered-a-rising-star-but-her-covid-response-has-been-terrible-since-the-beginning

This opinion piece also points out that Whitmer was once everywhere and now MIA. Also points out that MI has a lower vaccination rate than than those "poorly" governed states of TX and FL.

Hard to govern the stupid. But I’m a guy who goes by mask protests and vax protesters and just encourages the hell out of them not to get vaxed or wear a mask. I beep my horn give ‘em the thumbs up. I think most of us are good with those people not being vaxed. We can only hope.

by **kingstonlake** Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:40 am

RQA wrote:https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/gretchen-whitmer-was-considered-a-rising-star-but-her-covid-response-has-been-terrible-since-the-beginning

This opinion piece also points out that Whitmer was once everywhere and now MIA. Also points out that MI has a lower vaccination rate than than those "poorly" governed states of TX and FL.

They wanted to kill her over mandates. But yeah, they'd get vaccinated.

How come you don't want to talk about battery plants anymore?

by **Trapper Gus** Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:29 am

RQA wrote:https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/gretchen-whitmer-was-considered-a-rising-star-but-her-covid-response-has-been-terrible-since-the-beginning

This opinion piece also points out that Whitmer was once everywhere and now MIA. Also points out that MI has a lower vaccination rate than than those "poorly" governed states of TX and FL.

There are any number of reasons, between nutjobs plotting to murder her to the Republican controlled Michigan Supreme Court overturning a 70 year old Emergency Powers Act which they were fine with when the Governor was Red, which means the Governor isn't expected to come out and explain her Emergency Orders anymore.

Not going to click on anything from The Washington Examiner, that rag lies even more than your typical source. However, since you read it, you can tell us what those other states did to get better vaccination rates, and then you can send that information to the Governor to help in the crisis.

by RQA Sat Dec 11, 2021 2:31 pm

Trapper Gus wrote:tell us what those other states did to get better vaccination rates,

They elected better governors.

by PennSpartan Sat Dec 11, 2021 2:38 pm

RQA wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:tell us what those other states did to get better vaccination rates,

They elected better governors.

The only people getting vaccinated are Democrats. The only people dying are Republicans. Some nut job election official in Michigan who didn’t want to certify the election and was anti-vaxx just croaked. Whitmer misses again - Toyota to build battery plant in NC - Page 2 502811600

Whitmer misses again - Toyota to build battery plant in NC - Page 2 502811600

by **Trapper Gus** Sat Dec 11, 2021 2:55 pm

RQA wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:tell us what those other states did to get better vaccination rates,

They elected better governors.

That is like a 50,000 foot level thing.

Details about how those governors got their population vaccinated is what we need.

by **Trapper Gus** Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:54 am

Michigan’s two largest utility companies now can offer large-scale industrial customers lower rates, a move that proponents say will boost the state’s chances to attract billions of dollars in advanced manufacturing investments.

Members of the Michigan Public Service Commission on Wednesday voted unanimously to approve requests that DTE Energy and Consumers Energy made in November.

At that time, Consumers said, at least 10 high-tech projects — including electric vehicle battery plants and semiconductor factories that use massive amounts of power — were considering Michigan for about $64.8 billion in investment that would generate about 21,000 jobs.

https://www.bridgemi.com/business-watch/michigan-oks-electricity-rate-cut-attract-automotive-battery-factories

by RQA Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:58 am

Trapper Gus wrote:Michigan’s two largest utility companies now can offer large-scale industrial customers lower rates, a move that proponents say will boost the state’s chances to attract billions of dollars in advanced manufacturing investments.

Members of the Michigan Public Service Commission on Wednesday voted unanimously to approve requests that DTE Energy and Consumers Energy made in November.

At that time, Consumers said, at least 10 high-tech projects — including electric vehicle battery plants and semiconductor factories that use massive amounts of power — were considering Michigan for about $64.8 billion in investment that would generate about 21,000 jobs.

https://www.bridgemi.com/business-watch/michigan-oks-electricity-rate-cut-attract-automotive-battery-factories

Great news! Does this mean Ford will now be building their $10 billion dollar facility in Michigan? Asking for my friend, Gov Whitmer.

by **Trapper Gus** Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:02 am

RQA wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:Michigan’s two largest utility companies now can offer large-scale industrial customers lower rates, a move that proponents say will boost the state’s chances to attract billions of dollars in advanced manufacturing investments.

Members of the Michigan Public Service Commission on Wednesday voted unanimously to approve requests that DTE Energy and Consumers Energy made in November.

At that time, Consumers said, at least 10 high-tech projects — including electric vehicle battery plants and semiconductor factories that use massive amounts of power — were considering Michigan for about $64.8 billion in investment that would generate about 21,000 jobs.

https://www.bridgemi.com/business-watch/michigan-oks-electricity-rate-cut-attract-automotive-battery-factories

Great news! Does this mean Ford will now be building their $10 billion dollar facility in Michigan? Asking for my friend, Gov Whitmer.

Too bad for Michigan that the Republicans in the State Legislature thought that Rick Synder's business tax cuts would attract business to the state. If they had been smart we would have been ready for this, and we wouldn't have raised taxes on the poor, but no, and you are totally blaming the wrong person.

by RQA Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:35 am

RQA wrote:

Great news! Does this mean Ford will now be building their $10 billion dollar facility in Michigan? Asking for my friend, Gov Whitmer.

Gretchen will be sad when I have to give her the news that Trapper says "no - Ford won't be investing $10 billion in their home state".

That is if I can find her, she was last spotted partying maskless in a DC bar.

by RQA Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:12 pm

https://finance.yahoo.com/m/46061046-b39a-3f7f-81e8-154a3800a849/ford-names-dallas-among.html?ana=yahoo&yptr=yahoo

More auto investment lost under the "leadership" of Big Gretch.

by **GRR Spartan** Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:39 am

Troll mohr harder RQA

by **Trapper Gus** Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:16 pm

RQA wrote:https://finance.yahoo.com/m/46061046-b39a-3f7f-81e8-154a3800a849/ford-names-dallas-among.html?ana=yahoo&yptr=yahoo

More auto investment lost under the "leadership" of Big Gretch.

It looks like your standard is if anything automotive is built outside Michigan it is the Michigan government's fault.

by **Trapper Gus** Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:24 am

Looks like the State Government's change is attitude is paying off ...

A South Korean electric vehicle battery manufacturer wants to expand its existing facility in west Michigan, investing $1.5 billion and adding 1,000 jobs as it seeks to boost production by 2025.

https://www.bridgemi.com/business-watch/lg-energy-seeks-tap-michigans-1b-incentive-fund-holland-expansion

by RQA Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:48 am

Trapper Gus wrote:

It looks like your standard is if anything automotive is built outside Michigan it is the Michigan government's fault.

No, but when the democrat governor of Ford's home state claims she wasn't even in the loop on a proposed $10 billion investment, than yeah, it is partially her fault.

by PennSpartan Sun Jan 23, 2022 12:05 pm

Looks like the Michigan Governor screwed up again…oh, wait. Whitmer misses again - Toyota to build battery plant in NC - Page 2 1550444538

GM to create 4,000 jobs at Michigan electric vehicle factories, plans to spend $6.5B

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/general-motors/2022/01/21/gm-jobs-michigan-electric-vehicles-factories/6615200001/

by sεяεηιτλ Mon Jan 24, 2022 1:58 am

RQA misses again... LOL

What a surprise.

by **Trapper Gus** Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:28 am

RQA wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

It looks like your standard is if anything automotive is built outside Michigan it is the Michigan government's fault.

No, but when the democrat governor of Ford's home state claims she wasn't even in the loop on a proposed $10 billion investment, than yeah, it is partially her fault.

In order for Michigan to be "in the loop" the Republicans in the State Legislature had to step up beyond their useless 2011 tax increase on the workers of Michigan which they ciaimed would make Michigan the most sought-after place to do business in the nation, hint - it didn't, and give the Governor and the State government the tools to be "in the loop"

They did that and now Michigan is more competitive. Of course, the State still has the problem of decades of Republican control changing it from one of the better places to live in the nation to the middle of the pack, at best.

by **Floyd Robertson** Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:26 am

Imagine Whitmer whiffing on this one and Volvo building a new battery plant in their home country of Sweden instead of across the the Atlantic Ocean in Michigan.

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She can't do anything right.

by RQA Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:41 pm

Floyd Robertson wrote: Volvo building a new battery plant in their home country of Sweden

Volvo's home country is now China. But thanks for playing.

by **Trapper Gus** Mon Feb 07, 2022 6:11 pm

Volvo Cars Group (Volvo Cars) is owned by Zhejiang Geely Holding (Geely Holding) of China. Volvo Cars formed part of the Swedish Volvo Group until 1999 when Ford Motor Company bought the company. In 2010, Volvo Cars was acquired by Geely Holding. Even while changing ownership, Volvo's dedication to safety and innovation has remained constant.

Despite having assembly plants in Malaysia, China, India, and the USA, Volvo stays true to its Swedish roots in providing high-quality materials and reliability. The Volvo Cars head office, product development, marketing, and administration functions are mainly located in Gothenburg, Sweden. Volvo Cars has manufactured engines in Skövde (Sweden) since the 1930s, apart from the main European car production plants in Gothenburg (Sweden) and Ghent (Belgium).

https://www.paramountvolvocars.com/blog/2020/january/9/who-owns-volvo-cars.htm

by RQA Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:00 pm

Trapper Gus wrote:Volvo Cars Group (Volvo Cars) is owned by Zhejiang Geely Holding (Geely Holding) of China.

As I said in post #68. But thanks for the reference.

by **Motown Spartan** Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:57 am

RQA wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:[i]Volvo Cars Group (Volvo Cars) is owned by Zhejiang Geely Holding (Geely Holding) of China.

As I said in post #68. But thanks for the reference.

So Whitmer allegedly missed again because the Chinese parent company of Volvo allowed the Swedish headquartered and operated Volvo to put a battery facility in Sweden?

I'm failing to see how the sarcastic post made by Floyd is somehow invalidated because Volvo is owned by a Chinese holding company.

by **Trapper Gus** Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:44 am

I'm thinking that Volvo understands that the battery units for vehicles are pretty large and heavy, thus it makes sense to locate battery plants as near as possible to final assembly plants.

Sort of why US vehicle assembly companies are locating their battery plants in the Kentucky area where they already have a number of vehicle assembly plants and in Michigan for the same reason.

by **Motown Spartan** Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:47 am

Trapper Gus wrote:I'm thinking that Volvo understands that the battery units for vehicles are pretty large and heavy, thus it makes sense to locate battery plants as near as possible to final assembly plants.

Sort of why US vehicle assembly companies are locating their battery plants in the Kentucky area where they already have a number of vehicle assembly plants and in Michigan for the same reason.

Clearly the weight of the batteries is Whitmer's fault. Do you even Republican?

by **Trapper Gus** Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:50 am

Motown Spartan wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:I'm thinking that Volvo understands that the battery units for vehicles are pretty large and heavy, thus it makes sense to locate battery plants as near as possible to final assembly plants.

Sort of why US vehicle assembly companies are locating their battery plants in the Kentucky area where they already have a number of vehicle assembly plants and in Michigan for the same reason.

Clearly the weight of the batteries is Whitmer's fault. Do you even Republican?

How does one Republican?

Just asking.

I couldn't have a lower opinion of what the Republicans are doing if they were literally Satan.

by **Motown Spartan** Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:57 am

Trapper Gus wrote:
Motown Spartan wrote:

Clearly the weight of the batteries is Whitmer's fault. Do you even Republican?

How does one Republican?

Just asking.

I couldn't have a lower opinion of what the Republicans are doing if they were literally Satan.

I think your statement demonstrates a firm grasp of how to Republican.

by **Trapper Gus** Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:20 am

Motown Spartan wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

How does one Republican?

Just asking.

I couldn't have a lower opinion of what the Republicans are doing if they were literally Satan.

I think your statement demonstrates a firm grasp of how to Republican.

Are you sure?

Most of the Conservatives seem to focus not on the action's others are taking but on their personal traits.

I try to stay focused on what the Republicans are doing, not on who they are or how they act.

by RQA Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:30 am

Motown Spartan wrote:

I'm failing to see how the sarcastic post made by Floyd is somehow invalidated because Volvo is owned by a Chinese holding company.

Just pointing out Floyd's error in stating the plant will be built in Volvo's home country.

by RQA Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:32 am

Trapper Gus wrote:I'm thinking that Volvo understands that the battery units for vehicles are pretty large and heavy.

I am sure that the US steel manufacturers are reassured that foreign steel will never be a player in the US because of it's large and heavy nature.

by **NigelUno** Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:49 am

RQA wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:I'm thinking that Volvo understands that the battery units for vehicles are pretty large and heavy.

I am sure that the US steel manufacturers are reassured that foreign steel will never be a player in the US because of it's large and heavy nature.

I blame the Governor of Pennsylvania for allowing steel to be produced in foreign countries.

by **Floyd Robertson** Wed Feb 16, 2022 3:52 pm

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