2022 Midterm & Michigan Elections - Who Ya Got Winning?

PennSpartan wrote:This is going to be a mess:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3724626-fetterman-sues-over-mail-in-ballots/amp/

It's only a mess because people don't believe everyone has the right to vote

aualum06 wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:This is going to be a mess:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3724626-fetterman-sues-over-mail-in-ballots/amp/

It's only a mess because people don't believe everyone has the right to vote

racists and misogynists will be racists and misogynists.

aualum06 wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:This is going to be a mess:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3724626-fetterman-sues-over-mail-in-ballots/amp/

It's only a mess because people don't believe everyone has the right to vote

Will blame progressives in 3…… 2……. 1…….

aualum06 wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:This is going to be a mess:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3724626-fetterman-sues-over-mail-in-ballots/amp/

It's only a mess because people don't believe everyone has the right to vote

The time to challenge this was two years ago, after that mail in mess. The Dems didn’t send out a single mailer or email explaining how to fill out the ballot. It’s piss poor timing to complain that people aren’t filling out the ballot correctly at this point.

Why does it need a date? It doesn’t. It’s just an impediment to voting.

I do not know why they wouldn’t have sued over that in advance of the ballots even being printed though. Unless they couldn’t for legal reasons I don’t understand. I doubt they woke up today and said “oh shit gotta sue on this one!” Seems more likely that they couldn’t until Election Day.

PennSpartan wrote:

aualum06 wrote:

It's only a mess because people don't believe everyone has the right to vote

The time to challenge this was two years ago, after that mail in mess. The Dems didn’t send out a single mailer or email explaining how to fill out the ballot. It’s piss poor timing to complain that people aren’t filling out the ballot correctly at this point.

Wasn't this decision that is being challenged on the date from like last week?

PennSpartan wrote:

aualum06 wrote:

It's only a mess because people don't believe everyone has the right to vote

The time to challenge this was two years ago, after that mail in mess. The Dems didn’t send out a single mailer or email explaining how to fill out the ballot. It’s piss poor timing to complain that people aren’t filling out the ballot correctly at this point.

There have been rulings before that the date cannot be used to deny the ballot, would expect that again. The court case cannot be filed until a ballot has been denied, as there is no one with standing until then. This was probably planned weeks ago, and likely has an effect on a smallish number of ballots. More important for the local race for dogcatcher than statewide but needs to be done.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Why does it need a date? It doesn’t. It’s just an impediment to voting.

I do not know why they wouldn’t have sued over that in advance of the ballots even being printed though. Unless they couldn’t for legal reasons I don’t understand. I doubt they woke up today and said “oh shit gotta sue on this one!” Seems more likely that they couldn’t until Election Day.

I have no idea why it needs a date. Stupid rule. But to challenge it now reeks of desperation. Fetterman doesn’t even know who people voted for on those ballots. His challenge could end up helping Oz if more of them left the date off.

Trapper Gus wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
The time to challenge this was two years ago, after that mail in mess. The Dems didn’t send out a single mailer or email explaining how to fill out the ballot. It’s piss poor timing to complain that people aren’t filling out the ballot correctly at this point.

There have been rulings before that the date cannot be used to deny the ballot, would expect that again. The court case cannot be filed until a ballot has been denied, as there is no one with standing until then. This was probably planned weeks ago, and likely has an effect on a smallish number of ballots. More important for the local race for dogcatcher than statewide but needs to be done.

I believe they lost that challenge last time. There are still thousands of unopened ballot’s from 2020 without dates on them.

PennSpartan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Why does it need a date? It doesn’t. It’s just an impediment to voting.

I do not know why they wouldn’t have sued over that in advance of the ballots even being printed though. Unless they couldn’t for legal reasons I don’t understand. I doubt they woke up today and said “oh shit gotta sue on this one!” Seems more likely that they couldn’t until Election Day.

I have no idea why it needs a date. Stupid rule. But to challenge it now reeks of desperation. Fetterman doesn’t even know who people voted for on those ballots. His challenge could end up helping Oz if more of them left the date off.

Major campaigns have armies of lawers waiting to deal with legal issues like this. In this case they are making sure every vote is counted, which supports the case of a fair election. Likely it is a Republican election denier blocking counting these, as it supports their narative about how bad absentee ballorts are.

PennSpartan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Why does it need a date? It doesn’t. It’s just an impediment to voting.

I do not know why they wouldn’t have sued over that in advance of the ballots even being printed though. Unless they couldn’t for legal reasons I don’t understand. I doubt they woke up today and said “oh shit gotta sue on this one!” Seems more likely that they couldn’t until Election Day.

I have no idea why it needs a date. Stupid rule. But to challenge it now reeks of desperation. Fetterman doesn’t even know who people voted for on those ballots. His challenge could end up helping Oz if more of them left the date off.

Do you have to get 50% in Pennsylvania to win?

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

There have been rulings before that the date cannot be used to deny the ballot, would expect that again. The court case cannot be filed until a ballot has been denied, as there is no one with standing until then. This was probably planned weeks ago, and likely has an effect on a smallish number of ballots. More important for the local race for dogcatcher than statewide but needs to be done.

I believe they lost that challenge last time. There are still thousands of unopened ballot’s from 2020 without dates on them.

I guess we shall see, I thought it went the other way, but I have a poor memory, plus this is a chanch for another bite of the apple if they lost last time.

Trapper Gus wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
I believe they lost that challenge last time. There are still thousands of unopened ballot’s from 2020 without dates on them.

I guess we shall see, I thought it went the other way, but I have a poor memory, plus this is a chanch for another bite of the apple if they lost last time.

I know there are ballots that were unopened. I believe it was over dates and other mistakes. If all of them were for Trump it still wouldn’t have changed the result. So they sit unopened.

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

I guess we shall see, I thought it went the other way, but I have a poor memory, plus this is a chanch for another bite of the apple if they lost last time.

I know there are ballots that were unopened. I believe it was over dates and other mistakes. If all of them were for Trump it still wouldn’t have changed the result. So they sit unopened.

Just looked this up, it was in 2021 and the PA courts and the US 3rd Circuit Court ruled the ballots had to be counted, and they were. It was appealed after the fact to tSCOTUS and they ruled that the case had no merit, thus leaving the question undecided.

PennSpartan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Why does it need a date? It doesn’t. It’s just an impediment to voting.

I do not know why they wouldn’t have sued over that in advance of the ballots even being printed though. Unless they couldn’t for legal reasons I don’t understand. I doubt they woke up today and said “oh shit gotta sue on this one!” Seems more likely that they couldn’t until Election Day.

I have no idea why it needs a date. Stupid rule. But to challenge it now reeks of desperation. Fetterman doesn’t even know who people voted for on those ballots. His challenge could end up helping Oz if more of them left the date off.

I believe it deserves a challenge because it is wrong and that Fetterman should make clear that he believes it is the right thing to do no matter the election outcome (and yes I am aware that I am a Pollyanna; he, him, his).

However, I will say that if the filing can only happen on election day or after it should not have been done in the morning. It does Fetterman no political good to have it splashed on the argutainment channels (no matter the leanings of the argutainment network) first thing on election day.

Trapper Gus wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
I know there are ballots that were unopened. I believe it was over dates and other mistakes. If all of them were for Trump it still wouldn’t have changed the result. So they sit unopened.

Just looked this up, it was in 2021 and the PA courts and the US 3rd Circuit Court ruled the ballots had to be counted, and they were. It was appealed after the fact to tSCOTUS and they ruled that the case had no merit, thus leaving the question undecided.

There was something in 2020 too. I don’t know what election was in 2021

other than the political commercials, the thing I'm going to miss the least is y'all whining and arguing like a couple of little kids sitting in the backseat of a station wagon on your way to Disneyworld.

Oh Bob, we are no worse than some of the other posters...

https://www.penncapital-star.com/campaigns-elections/u-s-supreme-court-throws-out-lower-court-ruling-that-undated-vote-by-mail-ballots-must-be-counted/

PennSpartan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Why does it need a date? It doesn’t. It’s just an impediment to voting.

I do not know why they wouldn’t have sued over that in advance of the ballots even being printed though. Unless they couldn’t for legal reasons I don’t understand. I doubt they woke up today and said “oh shit gotta sue on this one!” Seems more likely that they couldn’t until Election Day.

I have no idea why it needs a date. Stupid rule. But to challenge it now reeks of desperation. Fetterman doesn’t even know who people voted for on those ballots. His challenge could end up helping Oz if more of them left the date off.

Part of being on the right side of history is that it’s not about who it helps and who it hurts. I don’t know who those voters that may have missed a date on their ballot voted for- but I think their vote should be counted regardless.

Oh I bet I know why they couldn’t do anything about it until today. The Pennsylvania law that they can’t start counting ballots until today. They can’t sue on the hypothetical someone may miss the date field and it should have counted…. They have to wait until a ballot is actually opened and the date field is actually missed. I’m not a lawyer, just guessing, but it makes sense to me.

Trapper Gus wrote:Oh Bob, we are no worse than some of the other posters...

https://www.penncapital-star.com/campaigns-elections/u-s-supreme-court-throws-out-lower-court-ruling-that-undated-vote-by-mail-ballots-must-be-counted/

yeah, Guest got mad and left.. all I could do was to channel my sadness into creative positivity and become the Poet Laureate of tSwill.

Rick Saunders wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
I have no idea why it needs a date. Stupid rule. But to challenge it now reeks of desperation. Fetterman doesn’t even know who people voted for on those ballots. His challenge could end up helping Oz if more of them left the date off.

I believe it deserves a challenge because it is wrong and that Fetterman should make clear that he believes it is the right thing to do no matter the election outcome (and yes I am aware that I am a Pollyanna; he, him, his).

However, I will say that if the filing can only happen on election day or after it should not have been done in the morning. It does Fetterman no political good to have it splashed on the argutainment channels (no matter the leanings of the argutainment network) first thing on election day.

It’s a stupid rule but it’s not biased. All the voters have to sign and date the ballot.

NigelUno wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
I have no idea why it needs a date. Stupid rule. But to challenge it now reeks of desperation. Fetterman doesn’t even know who people voted for on those ballots. His challenge could end up helping Oz if more of them left the date off.

Do you have to get 50% in Pennsylvania to win?

No.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:Oh Bob, we are no worse than some of the other posters...

https://www.penncapital-star.com/campaigns-elections/u-s-supreme-court-throws-out-lower-court-ruling-that-undated-vote-by-mail-ballots-must-be-counted/

yeah, Guest got mad and left.. all I could do was to channel my sadness into creative positivity and become the Poet Laureate of tSwill.

Since I rejoined and started posting regularly I have become a Kenneth Walker III fan, and an apprenticed poet

The saga continues. Fucking embarrassing.

https://news.yahoo.com/philadelphia-voters-still-fix-issues-165101668.html

Why is that embarrassing exactly? I mean the rule is embarrassing. Masking voting harder is embarrassing. Why is allowing people to fix a ballot that was incorrectly filled out because of stupid rules embarrassing?

I may have to change my prediction, as this candidate is the cat's whiskers.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/7/2130205/-If-Roevember-is-for-real-Missouri-has-a-chance-to-

In parts of Indiana the polls just closed.

Rocinante wrote:Why is that embarrassing exactly? I mean the rule is embarrassing. Masking voting harder is embarrassing. Why is allowing people to fix a ballot that was incorrectly filled out because of stupid rules embarrassing?

Because the Fetterman campaign did it and Penn doesn’t like Fetterman. If Oz did it he wouldn’t have posted about it.

Trapper Gus wrote:In parts of Indiana the polls just closed.

Which is utterly absurd.

Indiana is a weird place man. They’ve since changed it I guess, but just a few years ago alcohol sales were banned on Election Day. Guess what fuckos, if I want to go to the polls blasted out of my goddamn mind, that’s my right as an American.

Holey Shit ... Rasmassman just telephone polled me. Wanted to know if Biden is doing a good job.

PennSpartan wrote:
It’s a stupid rule but it’s not biased. All the voters have to sign and date the ballot.

Just a reminder to all the folks out there that in PA it isn't the date on the ballot itself that is the problem in most cases. The rule says that the inner envelope (ballot is in two envelopes) has to be dated also. It is the inner envelope that most people miss dating if they miss something.

And I agree with Travis, whoever voted and for whomever they voted the ballot should count.

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