Whitmer verdict

I know comments are being made about it in the generic GW thread but I think it is a topic deserving of its own thread.

https://amgreatness.com/2022/04/08/two-acquitted-in-whitmer-case-fbi-misconduct-central/

In a huge defeat for the U.S. Department of Justice, a jury today acquitted two men accused of conspiring to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer in the fall of 2020 and deadlocked on a verdict for two other defendants. The verdicts were announced at the Gerald R. Ford Federal Building in Grand Rapids after more than four days of deliberations; jurors heard 13 days of testimony in a case the government considered one of its biggest domestic terrorism investigations ever.

RQA wrote:I know comments are being made about it in the generic GW thread but I think it is a topic deserving of its own thread.

https://amgreatness.com/2022/04/08/two-acquitted-in-whitmer-case-fbi-misconduct-central/

In a huge defeat for the U.S. Department of Justice, a jury today acquitted two men accused of conspiring to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer in the fall of 2020 and deadlocked on a verdict for two other defendants. The verdicts were announced at the Gerald R. Ford Federal Building in Grand Rapids after more than four days of deliberations; jurors heard 13 days of testimony in a case the government considered one of its biggest domestic terrorism investigations ever.

Nice website. No wonder you struggle with arguments here. It seems that you prefer having opinions fed to you instead of thinking for yourself.

I didn’t watch any piece of the trial so I am inclined to assume that the jury is correct, and given that cops are overreaching pieces of shit it’s pretty believable to me that they did the same thing here.

The only problem is that between me and the op one of us will remember that cops are overreaching pieces of shit next time we talk about police and the other will be draping themselves in a thin blue line flag while defending the cops sacred honor to shoot whomever they please

Trapper Gus wrote:

This case, with all the coverage for months before the trial, was going to be difficult to try, as an unbiased jury was unlikely.

Given the extent and tone of media coverage any jury bias was likely to be in favor of the government.

Pervis Muldoon wrote:

It seems that you prefer having opinions fed to you instead of thinking for yourself.

That the government lost their case is an "opinion"?

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:I didn’t watch any piece of the trial so I am inclined to assume that the jury is correct, and given that cops are overreaching pieces of shit it’s pretty believable to me that they did the same thing here.

The only problem is that between me and the op one of us will remember that cops are overreaching pieces of shit next time we talk about police and the other will be draping themselves in a thin blue line flag while defending the cops sacred honor to shoot whomever they please

The whole affair isn't about "cops", it is about the FBI and government corruption.

RQA wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:I didn’t watch any piece of the trial so I am inclined to assume that the jury is correct, and given that cops are overreaching pieces of shit it’s pretty believable to me that they did the same thing here.

The only problem is that between me and the op one of us will remember that cops are overreaching pieces of shit next time we talk about police and the other will be draping themselves in a thin blue line flag while defending the cops sacred honor to shoot whomever they please

The whole affair isn't about "cops", it is about the FBI and government corruption.

*checks notes on who cops work for*

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

*checks notes on who cops work for*

Not for the FBI

RQA wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

*checks notes on who cops work for*

Not for the FBI

50/50 but you picked the wrong one. You’re so close!

RQA wrote:

Pervis Muldoon wrote:

It seems that you prefer having opinions fed to you instead of thinking for yourself.

That the government lost their case is an "opinion"?

Seriously, why do you need this stuff?

Abolish the FBI or Face an American Putin
By Adam Mill
April 10, 2022
Since J. Edgar Hoover founded it, the FBI has never really been a law enforcement agency. It’s a clearing house for kompromot and intimidation.

Trump as Speaker of the House?
By John S. Baker
April 10, 2022
The Constitution’s separation of powers limits what a president can accomplish without the cooperation of Congress. A determined speaker of the House theoretically could do much more to weaken the per

The Debasement of our Professional and Political Classes
By Victor Davis Hanson
April 10, 2022
Leftist professionals in politics, government, and private enterprise debased themselves for short-term political gain, or in furor at their bogeyman Trump, or in anger at the unwashed.

FBI Kidnapping Caper Was Flagrant Election Interference
By Julie Kelly
April 9, 2022
The only people pushing to do something big before Election Day resided in the J. Edgar Hoover Building in Washington, D.C.

This article is pretty fair, from a site that is most definitely not pro-Sedition.

https://www.spytalk.co/p/fbi-belly-flops-in-michigan-governor?r=am7k6&s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

DWags wrote:

RQA wrote:

That the government lost their case is an "opinion"?

It also won its case against rogue cops in Minnesota. Why are you making this one side vs the other? It’s what juries are for. The fact those people were acquitted does not mean they aren’t completely scum bag human beings. The fact that people are police or FBI agents doesn’t meant they also aren’t scum bag human beings.

Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter: "no matter what the defendant's past record and present inclination to criminality, or the depths to which he has sunk in the estimation of society, certain police conduct to ensnare him into further crime is not to be tolerated by an advanced society."

Pervis Muldoon wrote:

RQA wrote:

That the government lost their case is an "opinion"?

Seriously, why do you need this stuff?

Abolish the FBI or Face an American Putin
By Adam Mill
April 10, 2022
Since J. Edgar Hoover founded it, the FBI has never really been a law enforcement agency. It’s a clearing house for kompromot and intimidation.

Trump as Speaker of the House?
By John S. Baker
April 10, 2022
The Constitution’s separation of powers limits what a president can accomplish without the cooperation of Congress. A determined speaker of the House theoretically could do much more to weaken the per

The Debasement of our Professional and Political Classes
By Victor Davis Hanson
April 10, 2022
Leftist professionals in politics, government, and private enterprise debased themselves for short-term political gain, or in furor at their bogeyman Trump, or in anger at the unwashed.

FBI Kidnapping Caper Was Flagrant Election Interference
By Julie Kelly
April 9, 2022
The only people pushing to do something big before Election Day resided in the J. Edgar Hoover Building in Washington, D.C.

Didn't come across any of those but will check out the one on the Whitmer case as election interference. The Hanson piece sounds relevant to you.

DWags wrote:

It also won its case against rogue cops in Minnesota. Why are you making this one side vs the other? It’s what juries are for. The fact those people were acquitted does not mean they aren’t completely scum bag human beings. The fact that people are police or FBI agents doesn’t meant they also aren’t scum bag human beings.

The rogue cop case in MN is nothing like the Whitmer case. The cop case was a spontaneous action by a single person and did not involve people in leadership. The Whitmer case was the result of deliberate decision making by multiple people in leadership positions had the highest levels of federal law enforcement.

DWags wrote:
I think I said the same thing as he did, it just shows the difference between an eloquent supreme court justice and a dumb ass like me

I was actually just trying to get your name out there for nomination.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Didn't know that the Director of the FBI, a Republician btw, or the AG, also a Republician during most of the investigation were leading this investigation. RQA gives us interesting information every day

When did I say that the FBI Director or AG were led the investigation?

Trapper Gus remains the leading source of disinformation on SW.

Trapper Gus wrote:

RQA wrote:

When did I say that the FBI Director or AG were led the investigation?

Trapper Gus remains the leading source of disinformation on SW.  

Those are "the highest levels of federal law enforcement". I know you really didn't mean that but it is what you typed.

Again please link and quote as to when I said that the Director of the FBI and AG led the investigation.

Trapper Gus wrote:

I just did.

Here is the entirety of the post you are referring to:

RQA: "The rogue cop case in MN is nothing like the Whitmer case. The cop case was a spontaneous action by a single person and did not involve people in leadership. The Whitmer case was the result of deliberate decision making by multiple people in leadership positions had the highest levels of federal law enforcement."

I will give you one more opportunity to either find a quote from me that states the FBI Director and AG led the investigation or to retract that comment and simply admit you either misunderstood me or misquoted me or whatever other spin you might have for it.

RQA wrote:

Pervis Muldoon wrote:

Seriously, why do you need this stuff?

Abolish the FBI or Face an American Putin
By Adam Mill
April 10, 2022
Since J. Edgar Hoover founded it, the FBI has never really been a law enforcement agency. It’s a clearing house for kompromot and intimidation.

Trump as Speaker of the House?
By John S. Baker
April 10, 2022
The Constitution’s separation of powers limits what a president can accomplish without the cooperation of Congress. A determined speaker of the House theoretically could do much more to weaken the per

The Debasement of our Professional and Political Classes
By Victor Davis Hanson
April 10, 2022
Leftist professionals in politics, government, and private enterprise debased themselves for short-term political gain, or in furor at their bogeyman Trump, or in anger at the unwashed.

FBI Kidnapping Caper Was Flagrant Election Interference
By Julie Kelly
April 9, 2022
The only people pushing to do something big before Election Day resided in the J. Edgar Hoover Building in Washington, D.C.

Didn't come across any of those but will check out the one on the Whitmer case as election interference. The Hanson piece sounds relevant to you.

Yes, another Julie Kelly opinion piece. Why not buy her books? They seem very credible...

Julie Kelly is a political commentator and senior contributor to American Greatness. She is the author of January 6: How Democrats Used the Capitol Protest to Launch a War on Terror Against the Political Right and Disloyal Opposition: How the NeverTrump Right Tried―And Failed―To Take Down the President.

DWags wrote:

RQA wrote:

The rogue cop case in MN is nothing like the Whitmer case. The cop case was a spontaneous action by a single person and did not involve people in leadership. The Whitmer case was the result of deliberate decision making by multiple people in leadership positions had the highest levels of federal law enforcement.

Lol. So wait, are you saying police departments across our country don’t have leadership that has covered up the unlawful actions of their underlings? You just wrote there is a difference and you implied had there not been video evidence of bystanders in Minnesota that that asshole cop would still have been prosecuted.

If you believe that, your mind is so far gone in ideology that you can’t have a discussion on this subject. I 100% guarantee you that had the Minnesota cop not been videotaped, he’d still be on the force.

The Ahmaud Arbery case in Georgia is a top down example.

DWags wrote:

Lol. So wait, are you saying police departments across our country don’t have leadership that has covered up the unlawful actions of their underlings? You just wrote there is a difference

Now you are moving the goalposts. You started out using the example of a beat cop and now change to "police departments (leadership) across the country"

Even with that your analogy doesn't really work. The maleficence in the Whitmer case starts at the top of federal law enforcement and involves creating a crime for political gain. I am far more concerned about that than what the Bakersfield police chief is up to.

Pervis Muldoon wrote:

Yes, another Julie Kelly opinion piece. Why not buy her books? They seem very credible...

You're right Pervis. I should stick to credible sources like CNN and the NYT. Glad they informed me that Hunter Biden's laptop was a Russian plant.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Dude "multiple peope at the highest levels of federal law enforcement" means the FBI director & the AG,  as they are "the highest levels".  You are just trying, unsuccessfully, to walk back what you typed.

Edit - if you had typed "higher" instead of "highest" which is probably what you meant, your argument would be correct, but you didn't. Own what you typed and admit it wasn't what you meant.

I meant what I typed. Again please quote me saying those people led the investigation.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Dude, I have, over and over again.

No point in continuing this because you are being being dishonest about what the word "highest" means.

I have no quarrel with you about the definition of "highest".

What you haven't done even once (let alone, "over and over again") is to quote me saying that they led the investigation.

RQA wrote:

Pervis Muldoon wrote:

Yes, another Julie Kelly opinion piece. Why not buy her books? They seem very credible...

You're right Pervis. I should stick to credible sources like CNN and the NYT. Glad they informed me that Hunter Biden's laptop was a Russian plant.

On Wells, you were aghast when I said I didn't subscribe to the New York Times. You followed me around for a while, criticizing me for not subscribing. I don't watch CNN either.

Now, let's get back to your need for articles that tell you exactly what you already believe. How long have you been frequenting radical cult websites?