Elon Musk and Twitter

by NumbersDude Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:03 am

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-14/elon-musk-launches-43-billion-hostile-takeover-of-twitter

“ Much of Musk’s ire against Twitter has been directed against what he perceives as censorship by the platform. In a letter to Twitter’s board alongside details regarding his offer, Musk said he believes Twitter: “will neither thrive nor serve [its free speech] societal imperative in its current form. Twitter needs to be transformed as a private company”

Musk is offering a 54% premium over the Jan. 28 closing price, the date after which he began building his initial stake in Twitter. The takeover attempt is unlikely to be a drawn-out process.

“If the deal doesn’t work, given that I don’t have confidence in management nor do I believe I can drive the necessary change in the public market, I would need to reconsider my position as a shareholder,” said Musk.”

by NumbersDude Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:10 am

Its a brilliant move by Musk. He is a great American.

by **Trapper Gus** Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:49 am

Nothing says freedom of expression more than a Billionaire trying to intimidate Twitter into behaving as he wants them to. Wink

by AvgMSUJoe Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:36 am

What happens when musk's version of free speech contradicts his interests?
Who the fuck is he to determine that?

It's a billionaire's world we are just here to produce wealth for them.

by **Floyd Robertson** Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:55 am

AvgMSUJoe wrote:What happens when musk's version of free speech contradicts his interests?
Who the fuck is he to determine that?

It's a billionaire's world we are just here to produce wealth for them.

Musk's version of free speech is to allow Trump back on the platform to profit from it. To hell with preserving Democracy let's profit from burning it down.

by **Turtleneck** Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:35 am

AvgMSUJoe wrote:What happens when musk's version of free speech contradicts his interests?
Who the fuck is he to determine that?

It's a billionaire's world we are just here to produce wealth for them.

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by **kingstonlake** Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:43 am

Fuck that piece of shit. Move to Russia and buy your way into their system of information and freedom.

by **duffy munn** Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:50 am

NumbersDude wrote:Its a brilliant move by Musk. He is a great American.

by RQA Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:57 am

AvgMSUJoe wrote:What happens when musk's version of free speech contradicts his interests?
Who the fuck is he to determine that?

It's a billionaire's world we are just here to produce wealth for them.

If you are a Twitter stock owner he is making money for you by offering a substantial premium to what you shares are currently worth.

by **Trapper Gus** Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:03 am

RQA wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:What happens when musk's version of free speech contradicts his interests?
Who the fuck is he to determine that?

It's a billionaire's world we are just here to produce wealth for them.

If you are a Twitter stock owner he is making money for you by offering a substantial premium to what you shares are currently worth.

Putin made his friends wealthy too.

by NumbersDude Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:11 am

Lots of Musk hate out there. I don’t really get it.
Come on- Musk hates Putin. He sent starlink units to Ukraine.

by **NigelUno** Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:11 am

RQA wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:What happens when musk's version of free speech contradicts his interests?
Who the fuck is he to determine that?

It's a billionaire's world we are just here to produce wealth for them.

If you are a Twitter stock owner he is making money for you by offering a substantial premium to what you shares are currently worth.

Only if you sell them for more than you paid.

I doubt anyone who bought at over $70, or over $60, or over 55 would consider selling at $54.20 "making money".

by **Trapper Gus** Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:20 am

NumbersDude wrote:Lots of Musk hate out there. I don’t really get it.
Come on- Musk hates Putin. He sent starlink units to Ukraine.

His public actions make him symbolic of all the spoiled weathy.

by RQA Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:24 am

I've been hearing about this leftist meltdown regarding Elon Musk potentially buying Twitter and opening it up as a free speech platform.

Based on Swill comments, looks like it's true.

by **NigelUno** Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:34 am

RQA wrote:I've been hearing about this leftist meltdown regarding Elon Musk potentially buying Twitter and opening it up as a free speech platform.

Based on Swill comments, looks like it's true.

Weird how you ignore his actions in the past to shut down free speech on social media platforms.

by **Turtleneck** Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:41 am

RQA wrote:I've been hearing about this leftist meltdown regarding Elon Musk potentially buying Twitter and opening it up as a free speech platform.

Based on Swill comments, looks like it's true.

Will this be on the agenda at your next Q chapter meeting, or is this more of a thing for your Stop the Steal Committee?

Musk doesn’t believe in free speech unless it’s speech that benefits him personally. Please troll more intelligently. You seem not smart today.

by NumbersDude Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:45 am

Trapper Gus wrote:
NumbersDude wrote:Lots of Musk hate out there. I don’t really get it.
Come on- Musk hates Putin. He sent starlink units to Ukraine.

His public actions make him symbolic of all the spoiled weathy.

Come on Trapper. The guy single handedly changed the auto industry with the EV.

He revolutionized space launches.

He will fix free speech via twitter.

by NumbersDude Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:57 am

RQA wrote:I've been hearing about this leftist meltdown regarding Elon Musk potentially buying Twitter and opening it up as a free speech platform.

Based on Swill comments, looks like it's true.

Not expecting this type of response on this site. The irony of this is Spartans come here to get away from the over moderation, bannings, censorship of the old board
And yet when Musk details why he wants to buy twitter and change it to allow free speech- certain posters dont see the uncanny similarities.

I suppose some are not self aware.

by **Trapper Gus** Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:14 am

NumbersDude wrote:
RQA wrote:I've been hearing about this leftist meltdown regarding Elon Musk potentially buying Twitter and opening it up as a free speech platform.

Based on Swill comments, looks like it's true.

Not expecting this type of response on this site. The irony of this is Spartans come here to get away from the over moderation, bannings, censorship of the old board
And yet when Musk details why he wants to buy twitter and change it to allow free speech- certain posters dont see the uncanny similarities.

I suppose some are not self aware.

Pretty ironic post dude.

Musk's free speech crusade doesn"t seem to apply to people who want to create unions at his plants or for that matter minotities at his plants demanding equality.

So just saying his stated goal for Twitter should be taken with a grain of salt. It could be he wants to use it to attack President Biden by allowing anti-Biden proganda from Trump and other lyers to florish.

by NumbersDude Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:19 am

Trapper Gus wrote:
NumbersDude wrote:

Not expecting this type of response on this site. The irony of this is Spartans come here to get away from the over moderation, bannings, censorship of the old board
And yet when Musk details why he wants to buy twitter and change it to allow free speech- certain posters dont see the uncanny similarities.

I suppose some are not self aware.

Pretty ironic post dude.

Musk's free speech crusade doesn"t seem to apply to people who want to create unions at his plants or for that matter minotities at his plants demanding equality.

So just saying his stated goal for Twitter should be taken with a grain of salt. It could be he wants to use it to attack President Biden by allowing anti-Biden proganda from Trump and other lyers to florish.

Come on Trapper. Musk is not suppressing minorities. I have not been following about Tesla and unions so I will not comment until I gather more information.

So you agree that the msm “protects” a certain political party.

You think you are being protected but in reality you are a subject.

by **Cameron** Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:20 am

I fucking hate Elon Musk. I used to think he was less shitty than Bezos, but now I'm thinking he just makes a slightly better first impression.

by NumbersDude Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:26 am

Cameron wrote:I fucking hate Elon Musk. I used to think he was less shitty than Bezos, but now I'm thinking he just makes a slightly better first impression.

Why?

by **Trapper Gus** Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:27 am

NumbersDude wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Pretty ironic post dude.

Musk's free speech crusade doesn"t seem to apply to people who want to create unions at his plants or for that matter minotities at his plants demanding equality.

So just saying his stated goal for Twitter should be taken with a grain of salt. It could be he wants to use it to attack President Biden by allowing anti-Biden proganda from Trump and other lyers to florish.

Come on Trapper. Musk is not suppressing minorities. I have not been following about Tesla and unions so I will not comment until I gather more information.

So you agree that the msm “protects” a certain political party.

You think you are being protected but in reality you are a subject.

I suggest you look into both issues, as both of these points have validity.

by **Trapper Gus** Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:31 am

Cameron wrote:I fucking hate Elon Musk. I used to think he was less shitty than Bezos, but now I'm thinking he just makes a slightly better first impression.

He seems to be like all these guys, Bezos, Thill, the facebook guy, etc who were able to jump on the goverment created internet and make billions by basicly replacing Sears, Pennys, Western Union and your local newspaper, who then believed they were "special" and therefore should be kings.

by **Turtleneck** Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:32 am

NumbersDude wrote:
RQA wrote:I've been hearing about this leftist meltdown regarding Elon Musk potentially buying Twitter and opening it up as a free speech platform.

Based on Swill comments, looks like it's true.

Not expecting this type of response on this site. The irony of this is Spartans come here to get away from the over moderation, bannings, censorship of the old board
And yet when Musk details why he wants to buy twitter and change it to allow free speech- certain posters dont see the uncanny similarities.

I suppose some are not self aware.

Twitter does not owe us free speech. I have no expectations that Twitter will allow me to exercise absolute free speech, just as I have no expectation this board or any other board will do the same.

by **Cameron** Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:36 am

NumbersDude wrote:
Cameron wrote:I fucking hate Elon Musk. I used to think he was less shitty than Bezos, but now I'm thinking he just makes a slightly better first impression.

Why?

For starters, I hate rich people, and he's the richest. He also loves to use Twitter for market manipulation, does it all the goddamn time. It also annoys me that so many people like or even love him simply because he trolls all the fucking time. He has given me no reason to like him. Stop polling your Twitter users about selling stock to solve world hunger and use your immense wealth and power to make the world a better place.

But no, trolling Twitter because you're a bored baby throwing a tantrum is more fun, I guess.

Fuck that guy forever.

by **Trapper Gus** Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:37 am

Turtleneck wrote:
NumbersDude wrote:

Not expecting this type of response on this site. The irony of this is Spartans come here to get away from the over moderation, bannings, censorship of the old board
And yet when Musk details why he wants to buy twitter and change it to allow free speech- certain posters dont see the uncanny similarities.

I suppose some are not self aware.

Twitter does not owe us free speech. I have no expectations that Twitter will allow me to exercise absolute free speech, just as I have no expectation this board or any other board will do the same.

The issue is that major media sites , like Twitter, have littled editing or journalistic ethics yet a majority of people use them as their source of news, which causes the propagation of lies about reality.

by NumbersDude Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:45 am

Cameron wrote:
NumbersDude wrote:

Why?

For starters, I hate rich people, and he's the richest. He also loves to use Twitter for market manipulation, does it all the goddamn time. It also annoys me that so many people like or even love him simply because he trolls all the fucking time. He has given me no reason to like him. Stop polling your Twitter users about selling stock to solve world hunger and use your immense wealth and power to make the world a better place.

But no, trolling Twitter because you're a bored baby throwing a tantrum is more fun, I guess.

Fuck that guy forever.

Thanks, thats actually one of the more detailed and methodical explanations on why someone dislikes the guy.
Makes sense. No sarcasm.

by **Motown Spartan** Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:05 pm

He's a pump and dumper.

Schemes to acquire assets, executes a plan to pump up their value, dumps them at a high price.

He's been funding Tesla, SpaceX, and The Boring Company like this for years.

by NumbersDude Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:47 pm

Motown Spartan wrote:He's a pump and dumper.

Schemes to acquire assets, executes a plan to pump up their value, dumps them at a high price.

He's been funding Tesla, SpaceX, and The Boring Company like this for years.

He is just a guy trying to make money. He is also bringing innovative products to market.

by **kingstonlake** Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:12 pm

NumbersDude wrote:
Motown Spartan wrote:He's a pump and dumper.

Schemes to acquire assets, executes a plan to pump up their value, dumps them at a high price.

He's been funding Tesla, SpaceX, and The Boring Company like this for years.

He is just a guy trying to make money. He is also bringing innovative products to market.

An electric car, satellite wifi, space travel, and electronic payments are not innovative.

by **Trapper Gus** Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:44 pm

NumbersDude wrote:
Motown Spartan wrote:He's a pump and dumper.

Schemes to acquire assets, executes a plan to pump up their value, dumps them at a high price.

He's been funding Tesla, SpaceX, and The Boring Company like this for years.

He is just a guy trying to make money. He is also bringing innovative products to market.

Internet wire money transfers, wasn't that where he started and was fired from, with a a Billion dollar golden handshake?

by **Motown Spartan** Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:47 pm

NumbersDude wrote:
Motown Spartan wrote:He's a pump and dumper.

Schemes to acquire assets, executes a plan to pump up their value, dumps them at a high price.

He's been funding Tesla, SpaceX, and The Boring Company like this for years.

He is just a guy trying to make money. He is also bringing innovative products to market.

Do yourself a favor. Add the phrase "at what cost?" to the end of that statement, ponder it for a while, and see if you can legitimately answer the question.

by AvgMSUJoe Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:23 pm

I'm assuming worse comes to worse he will open it up to the point it is unusable by normals. It will turn into a universal comment section and be as useless as reddit then some new site will have to be the new news aggregater for the masses.

by NumbersDude Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:46 pm

Motown Spartan wrote:
NumbersDude wrote:

He is just a guy trying to make money. He is also bringing innovative products to market.

Do yourself a favor. Add the phrase "at what cost?" to the end of that statement, ponder it for a while, and see if you can legitimately answer the question.

Every industrial activity brings a certain cost. Musks industries bring more benefit to more people. Jobs, technology, less energy dependence on fossil fuels.
He invest and creates jobs in America. In my opinion the benefits outweigh the cost.

by NumbersDude Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:15 am

https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musks-twitter-offer-users-afraid-turn-parler-1697984

Why do people want more moderation? Over moderation equals censorship.

People should be allowed to decide for themselves about content not a moderator.

by **Trapper Gus** Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:47 pm

NumbersDude wrote:https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musks-twitter-offer-users-afraid-turn-parler-1697984

Why do people want more moderation? Over moderation equals censorship.

People should be allowed to decide for themselves about content not a moderator.

Wells wasn't moderated, QED

by Bredo Morstoel Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:47 pm

Cameron wrote:

For starters, I hate rich people

by NumbersDude Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:35 am

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by Rick Saunders Mon Apr 18, 2022 11:16 am

NumbersDude wrote:
Motown Spartan wrote:

Do yourself a favor. Add the phrase "at what cost?" to the end of that statement, ponder it for a while, and see if you can legitimately answer the question.

Every industrial activity brings a certain cost. Musks industries bring more benefit to more people. Jobs, technology, less energy dependence on fossil fuels.
He invest and creates jobs in America. In my opinion the benefits outweigh the cost.

Musk and others like him deserve to be wealthy. I think that wealth/income should be an asymptote to taxation.

The problem I have with Musk and many other people and corporations like him is that they start out as net contributors and job creators mostly from their own work and ideas and partly because of the "free market" system that makes it possible. They "won" at competition. Then once they are ahead they use the power they have gained with their wealth to quell that competition that is against them. Our current political environment and rhetoric makes that easier than it was at various points in the past. It isn't necessarily the fault of those individuals. It is up to us as a society to understand that free markets aren't free when it is the wealthy we protect and not those for whom getting ahead by hard work is more difficult.

Giant corporations and wealthy entrepreneurs who suppress wages and the competition they benefitted from are not job creators but rather job destroyers.

We are best off as a nation with both capitalist and socialist elements in our mixed economy. We've had fluctuations on that balance, some rather severe (early 20th century).

I'm in favor of capitalism because competition is the driver. I'm in favor of socialism too because it recognizes that capitalism alone results in its own destruction and devolution to a plutocracy. Are we there yet?

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