Re: Elon Musk and Twitter

by **kingstonlake** 2023-12-10, 15:57

So apparently Musk is hosting a twitter space with Vivek Ramaswamy, Alex Jones, and Andrew Tate.

Tell me again why anyone would use his POS social media platform?

Elon Musk and Twitter - Page 20 Img_1414

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-01-31, 08:08

https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-tesla-compensation-pay-shareholders-e75687178d1175fba36ca55bd9c4c805

DOVER, Del. (AP) — Elon Musk is not entitled to a landmark compensation package awarded by Tesla’s board of directors that is potentially worth more than $55 billion, a Delaware judge ruled Tuesday.

The ruling by Chancellor Kathaleen St. Jude McCormick comes more than five years after a shareholder lawsuit targeted Tesla CEO Musk and directors of the company. They were accused of breaching their duties to the maker of electric vehicles and solar panels, resulting in a waste of corporate assets and unjust enrichment for Musk.

The shareholder’s lawyers argued that the compensation package should be voided because it was dictated by Musk and was the product of sham negotiations with directors who were not independent of him. They also said it was approved by shareholders who were given misleading and incomplete disclosures in a proxy statement.

by Zurn 2024-01-31, 08:33

Tesla was valued at about $50 billion at the time of the compensation package and that value increased by 20x after and so I would argue that the shareholders of Tesla were amply rewarded by keeping Musk onboard.

Don't worry about Elon though. Tesla will now have to renegotiate his compensation package and as the market has indicated that it sees value in Musk as CEO of Tesla his new pay might surprise (and enrage) you.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-01-31, 09:40

Zurn wrote:Tesla was valued at about $50 billion at the time of the compensation package and that value increased by 20x after and so I would argue that the shareholders of Tesla were amply rewarded by keeping Musk onboard.

Don't worry about Elon though. Tesla will now have to renegotiate his compensation package and as the market has indicated that it sees value in Musk as CEO of Tesla his new pay might surprise (and enrage) you.

I am enraged by first the idea that a corporation only has an obligation to its stockholders, and that any man's labor is worth more than any other man's labor. Both are morally bankrupt values.

by **Floyd Robertson** 2024-01-31, 11:08

Now that the site has been rebranded as X (entirely dumb and narcissistic to do so) what are tweets called now? Exes?

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-01-31, 11:48

Floyd Robertson wrote:Now that the site has been rebranded as X (entirely dumb and narcissistic to do so) what are tweets called now? Exes?

all of the high profile christians have a lot of ex's.. so "exes" makes sense.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-05-03, 08:47

So just like Twitter it looks like Musk is bored with Tesla

Or it could be he can't compete with GM.

https://qz.com/tesla-supercharger-evs-elon-musk-hyundai-ford-car-news-1851452707

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-05-03, 09:02

Zurn wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

I am enraged by first the idea that a corporation only has an obligation to its stockholders, and that any man's labor is worth more than any other man's labor. Both are morally bankrupt values.

1. Nobody thinks that a corporation has obligations only to its stockholders.

2. So you think Tom Izzo should be paid the same as Dusty May?

Someone who has never read what right wing economists such as Miltion Freidman(sp) say about who corporations are responsible to satisfy.

The belief that one man is worth more than any other man is insane, yet here we are.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-05-03, 09:10

Zurn wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

The belief that one man is worth more than any other man is insane, yet here we are.

So Tom Izzo should be paid the same as the guy who mows his lawn??

Tom's labor is worth the same amount. Capitalism is a nihilistic system.

by Zurn 2024-05-03, 09:13

Anyone else on this board agree that Tom Izzo should be pain the same amount as the guy who cuts his lawn? Anyone??

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-05-03, 09:14

Trapper Gus wrote:So just like Twitter it looks like Musk is bored with Tesla

Or it could be he can't compete with GM.

https://qz.com/tesla-supercharger-evs-elon-musk-hyundai-ford-car-news-1851452707

maybe, in another display of fragile masculinity, he'll send up one of his toy rockets and we can laugh again when it explodes. Elon Musk and Twitter - Page 20 502811600

Elon Musk and Twitter - Page 20 502811600

by Zurn 2024-05-03, 09:19

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:So just like Twitter it looks like Musk is bored with Tesla

Or it could be he can't compete with GM.

https://qz.com/tesla-supercharger-evs-elon-musk-hyundai-ford-car-news-1851452707
maybe, in another display of fragile masculinity, he'll send up one of his toy rockets and we can laugh again when it explodes.

At the current time Musk is the only American capable of sending people into orbit and he has done so with 100% reliability.

space nerd note: Boeing is supposed to be launching their Starliner in the near future so they may join the club.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-05-03, 09:24

Zurn wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:
maybe, in another display of fragile masculinity, he'll send up one of his toy rockets and we can laugh again when it explodes.

At the current time Musk is the only American capable of sending people into orbit and he has done so with 100% reliability.

space nerd note: Boeing is supposed to be launching their Starliner in the near future so they may join the club.

I wish I was as easily impressed with a guy blowing up rockets as you seem to be.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-05-03, 09:24

Zurn wrote:Anyone else on this board agree that Tom Izzo should be pain the same amount as the guy who cuts his lawn? Anyone??

Anyone on the board believe that Tom Izzo has done more to change life on earth than Jesus Christ, who wasn't paid at all?

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-05-03, 09:26

Zurn wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:
maybe, in another display of fragile masculinity, he'll send up one of his toy rockets and we can laugh again when it explodes.

At the current time Musk is the only American capable of sending people into orbit and he has done so with 100% reliability.

space nerd note: Boeing is supposed to be launching their Starliner in the near future so they may join the club.

I think NASA counts, and what the real value to putting people in space is can be debated.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-06-12, 16:01

just read that the whiny white guy who got tired of being made fun of and went and bought a social media platform just made 'likes' private?

so now him and his white supremacist friends can like all the tweets they want, live in their MAGA libertarian/christian bubble of racism, bigotry and misogyny and nobody will ever know. Elon Musk and Twitter - Page 20 502811600

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-06-12, 20:53

He is trying to grift $56 Billion, with a B, out of the Tesla BoD right now WOTS is that he might not get it and thus will walk away. Since his poor choices plus increased competition in China suggests Tesla is loosing its luster if he leaves any Tesla downturn will be blamed on his leaving.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-06-12, 22:12

Also that trip to Mars is probably off..

https://www.zmescience.com/space/astronaut-kidneys-might-not-survive-a-mission-to-mars/

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2024-06-12, 22:16

Robert J Sakimano wrote:just read that the whiny white guy who got tired of being made fun of and went and bought a social media platform just made 'likes' private?

so now him and his white supremacist friends can like all the tweets they want, live in their MAGA libertarian/christian bubble of racism, bigotry and misogyny and nobody will ever know.

Rip to the best thing that ever happened on Twitter- the time that Ted Cruz liked incest porn on 9/11

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-06-13, 07:47

Trapper Gus wrote:He is trying to grift $56 Billion, with a B, out of the Tesla BoD right now WOTS is that he might not get it and thus will walk away. Since his poor choices plus increased competition in China suggests Tesla is loosing its luster if he leaves any Tesla downturn will be blamed on his leaving.

that dude couldn't run a lemonade stand.

by Zurn 2024-06-13, 14:34

Posted on Jan 31, 2024

Zurn wrote: Tesla was valued at about $50 billion at the time of the compensation package and that value increased by 20x after and so I would argue that the shareholders of Tesla were amply rewarded by keeping Musk onboard.

Don't worry about Elon though. Tesla will now have to renegotiate his compensation package and as the market has indicated that it sees value in Musk as CEO of Tesla his new pay might surprise (and enrage) you.

Deserves a bump

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-06-13, 14:47

Tesla's market cap today is $577 Billion, so no, not a 20 times bump.

Also their P/E is 47, pretty high for a company in a traditional business of building cars, one in which, BTW, they are not a market leader.

by Zurn 2024-06-13, 14:50

Trapper Gus wrote:
Tesla's market cap today is $577 Billion, so no, not a 50 times bump.

Also their P/E is 47, pretty high for a company in a traditional business of building cars.

A CEO bumps his companies value from 50 billion to 557 billion. If I were a shareholder I would be pretty happy with that.

But true to form, leftists outrage at the success of others.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-06-13, 15:03

Zurn wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:
Tesla's market cap today is $577 Billion, so no, not a 50 times bump.

Also their P/E is 47, pretty high for a company in a traditional business of building cars.

A CEO bumps his companies value from 50 billion to 557 billion. If I were a shareholder I would be pretty happy with that.

But true from leftists outrage at the success of others.

If I were buying stock the market cap of the company is way down the list of metrics I would care about.

EPS would be much higher on my list, and judging by that Tesla has had its run and is no longer a good play.

https://companiesmarketcap.com/tesla/eps/

As I noted, as a mature company in a mature market with substandard product and more capable competition coming on line the P/E is too high and this is not when I would be paying 10% of the market cap to retain the wrong CEO.

IMO Musk is trying to cash out before the hammer falls on Tesla, as that is his MO

by Zurn 2024-06-14, 08:20

Looks like the Tesla shareholders will be overwhelmingly passing the proposed pay package for Musk. The main goal is to increase Musk's control over the company as his stake will increase from 13% to 25%.

The market responded positively to this news with Tesla shares increasing in price.

In contrast, Swill leftists will be enraged over this.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-06-14, 08:27

Zurn wrote:Looks like the Tesla shareholders will be overwhelmingly passing the proposed pay package for Musk. The main goal is to increase Musk's control over the company as his stake will increase from 13% to 25%.

The market responded positively to this news with Tesla shares increasing in price.

In contrast, Swill leftists will be enraged over this.

I have no problem with this.. and I don't even know what it means.

I just enjoy mocking whiny, insecure white christian men who suck at life.

by sεяεηιτλ 2024-06-14, 10:48

Zurn wrote:Looks like the Tesla shareholders will be overwhelmingly passing the proposed pay package for Musk. The main goal is to increase Musk's control over the company as his stake will increase from 13% to 25%.

The market responded positively to this news with Tesla shares increasing in price.

In contrast, Swill leftists will be enraged over this.

I don't really care, if they want to waste Tesla's money I'm all for it. I want companies like rivian who have more local operations in Michigan to do better

by Zurn 2024-06-14, 11:21

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
Zurn wrote:Looks like the Tesla shareholders will be overwhelmingly passing the proposed pay package for Musk. The main goal is to increase Musk's control over the company as his stake will increase from 13% to 25%.

The market responded positively to this news with Tesla shares increasing in price.

In contrast, Swill leftists will be enraged over this.

I don't really care, if they want to waste Tesla's money I'm all for it. I want companies like rivian who have more local operations in Michigan to do better

Me too.

I have always wondered why "buying local" applies to kale and beer but not cars. I have always owned cars that are made by our local car companies. Most liberals, while spouting support for unions, can't seem to bring themselves to actually buy a union made car. From the looks of things Subaru is the current official car of the left.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-06-14, 11:41

when is the hero of the christian right gonna blow up some more toy rockets?

I always enjoy that. Elon Musk and Twitter - Page 20 502811600

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-06-14, 11:43

Zurn wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

I don't really care, if they want to waste Tesla's money I'm all for it. I want companies like rivian who have more local operations in Michigan to do better

Me too.

I have always wondered why "buying local" applies to kale and beer but not cars. I have always owned cars that are made by our local car companies. Most liberals, while spouting support for unions, can't seem to bring themselves to actually buy a union made car. From the looks of things Subaru is the current official car of the left.

Or you just are assuming things about people who drive certain cars.

by Zurn 2024-06-14, 12:59

Trapper Gus wrote:
Zurn wrote:

Me too.

I have always wondered why "buying local" applies to kale and beer but not cars. I have always owned cars that are made by our local car companies. Most liberals, while spouting support for unions, can't seem to bring themselves to actually buy a union made car. From the looks of things Subaru is the current official car of the left.

Or you just are assuming things about people who drive certain cars.

I'm not. Right, Bob?

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-06-14, 13:01

Zurn wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Or you just are assuming things about people who drive certain cars.

I'm not. Right, Bob?

not sure what the reference is...

by Zurn 2024-06-14, 13:02

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Zurn wrote:

I'm not. Right, Bob?
not sure what the reference is...

Liberals driving non union made cars.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-06-14, 13:04

Zurn wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:not sure what the reference is...

Liberals driving non union made cars.

oh.. I can't speak for 'liberals' - but I drive a Subaru... it's a sweet ride. Gets me where I need to go with a lot of bikes, hiking stuff.. trail running gear, kayaks.. rock shows.

Not sure if it's a union/non-union.

by Zurn 2024-06-14, 13:12

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Zurn wrote:

Liberals driving non union made cars.
oh.. I can't speak for 'liberals' - but I drive a Subaru... it's a sweet ride. Gets me where I need to go with a lot of bikes, hiking stuff.. trail running gear, kayaks.. rock shows.

Not sure if it's a union/non-union.

I called it! Elon Musk and Twitter - Page 20 502811600

Proud union member Bob proudly drives a non-union made car. Elon Musk and Twitter - Page 20 502811600

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-06-14, 13:17

Zurn wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:
oh.. I can't speak for 'liberals' - but I drive a Subaru... it's a sweet ride. Gets me where I need to go with a lot of bikes, hiking stuff.. trail running gear, kayaks.. rock shows.

Not sure if it's a union/non-union.

I called it!

Proud union member Bob proudly drives a non-union made car.

being able to make your own decisions is a good thing, dude. Something I learned when I was a kid - if you ever get out from under your church/political bubble, I think you would enjoy the feeling of liberation.

also, I bought it from Jalen Watts Jackson... he works at Williams Subaru. Elon Musk and Twitter - Page 20 3493939353

Elon Musk and Twitter - Page 20 3493939353

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-06-14, 13:19

Zurn wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:
oh.. I can't speak for 'liberals' - but I drive a Subaru... it's a sweet ride. Gets me where I need to go with a lot of bikes, hiking stuff.. trail running gear, kayaks.. rock shows.

Not sure if it's a union/non-union.

I called it!

Proud union member Bob proudly drives a non-union made car.

Well other than the question about if Bob is a liberal and if Suberu is union made or not there is the question of what constitutes "most". If Bob is the sum of most liberals it's a very small number of people.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-06-14, 13:22

Trapper Gus wrote:
Zurn wrote:

I called it!

Proud union member Bob proudly drives a non-union made car.

Well other than the question about if Bob is a liberal and if Suberu is union made or not there is the question of what constitutes "most". If Bob is the sum of most liberals it's a very small number of people.

man, I feel sorry for any group of people if I am the supreme representative of said group. Elon Musk and Twitter - Page 20 502811600

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-06-14, 16:42

I just drove my non-union (I reckon) Subaru to Whole Foods and grabbed some burgers. Heading over to a friend's house.

Hope that's okay with our anti-freedom MAGA friends here at tSwill.

Y'all have yourselves a weekend!

by Zurn 2024-06-17, 08:57

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Zurn wrote:

I called it!

Proud union member Bob proudly drives a non-union made car.
being able to make your own decisions is a good thing, dude. .

It is!

And proud union member Bob made the decision to buy a car made by a non-union company in a right-to-work state rather than support his union brothers.

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