Re: 2022 Midterm & Michigan Elections - Who Ya Got Winning?

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:07 am

Trapper Gus wrote:
Adam Frisch has 147,263 and the vile Lauren Boebert has 142,328. Only one county in her district, Mesa, has not completed its election night tally. Mesa voters cast 63,918 votes, 35,158 for BoBo and 25,728 for Frisch. That means only 3,032 votes remain to be counted in Mesa. Even if BoBo won all of them, she would still fall short.

I don’t know if there are any early or absentee ballots yet to tally...

Any Dem pick up is good with the House being so close.

And that lady is fucking crazy.

by **Trapper Gus** Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:16 am

Rep. Mayra Flores, R-Texas, won her South Texas seat in a special election this year that was seen as a bad sign for Democrats in the midterms. NBC News projected earlier tonight that she would lose her race to Democrat Vincent Gonzalez.

by **Nordic** Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:17 am

Robert J Sakimano wrote:Update: Democrats flip the Michigan House, too.

Shout out to MI GOP for running absolute insane, election-denying misogynists for office. Decent folks in Michigan appreciate it.

This was the first thing I looked at. I'm no Dana Nessel fan, but the dude that they put up against her was a straight up nut job. Hopefully we weeded a few of these out during this election.

by **Trapper Gus** Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:20 am

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

All three governor's races were incumbents. Incumbents have an over 90% success rate.

Florida is so fucked up with gerrymandering out the wazoo and crazy voter suppression that it is an indicator of nothing other than what the Republican Party would like to do to the rest of the country.

I thought Florida had computer generated districts? At least I thought they did for the national representatives, maybe not for state positions.

Edit: nevermind. I might have fallen for some repub propaganda. There was a big citizen initiative to make it fair but the state Republicans gained some national help to twist the lines to be compliant with the amendment but still heavily favoring Republicans. God Republicans are insidious.

What was once basically 50/50 with a slight Republicans lean is now heavily leaning Republicans by 3-4 seats.

DeSantis vetoed the Republican-controlled legislature’s redistricting of U.S. congressional maps this year, replacing it with his own plan that went further in tilting the advantage to Republicans.

While statewide elections in Florida only narrowly favor Republicans – Trump won the 2020 election in the state with 51% of the vote, and DeSantis won in 2018 with just under 50% – gerrymandered congressional districts have given the party a 16 to 11 advantage in congressional seats.

DeSantis’ redistricting map goes much farther, giving Republicans the advantage in 20 out of what are now 28 congressional districts due to population growth.

It was protested by civil rights advocates as an extreme racial gerrymander because of the lengths it went to eliminate districts in which Black voters had significant influence

Based on statewide voting the split should be 14/14 or 15/13 so yes, 6 seats, which could tilt the US House Red. Sort of sad thing is that New York Democratics finally, after kicking Commo to the curb, created their own gerrymander to counter Florida, only to have a Commo appointed judge overturn it and replace it with a Republican friendly map.

by **kingstonlake** Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:23 am

PennSpartan wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

That the best you can do? Copying what I’m saying?

No penn, you can do better. You’re a winner now. It’s time to start acting like it. No more going back to your same old whining.
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

That the best you can do? Copying what I’m saying?

No penn, you can do better. You’re a winner now. It’s time to start acting like it. No more going back to your same old whining.
I’ve been a winner my entire life. I don’t have to beg the government to pay my bills. Go watch the votes come in and pray.

You’re the guy who sat on the bench, didn’t play in any game, openly rooted against some of his teammates, your team had a winning season and now you claim, “I’m a winner”

Ok.

by **GRR Spartan** Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:03 am

One more point about the GOP in MI.

In 2016 Trump won MI by 10,700 votes
2018 Whitmer defeated AG Schuette by 406,659 votes
2020 Biden beat President Trump by 154,188 votes
Now it looks like Whitmer will win again.

Yet MI’s GOP is still under the illusion that MI is a Red Wave state when maps show their biggest support in in low population hinterlands.

by **InTenSity** Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:06 am

DeSantis gerrymandered FL himself. The FL legislature did it first and handed it to him, he straight up said, fuck that, and redrew it to give the R's super majorities. I'm going to have a real decision, based on any policies they pass on whether or not to stay here. There may not be a state income tax, but insurance rates are going up anywhere from 10-100% on people. Desantis has done nothing, except allow insurance companies to write the new laws about insuring. I guess we'll see.

by **Trapper Gus** Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:12 am

InTenSity wrote:DeSantis gerrymandered FL himself. The FL legislature did it first and handed it to him, he straight up said, fuck that, and redrew it to give the R's super majorities. I'm going to have a real decision, based on any policies they pass on whether or not to stay here. There may not be a state income tax, but insurance rates are going up anywhere from 10-100% on people. Desantis has done nothing, except allow insurance companies to write the new laws about insuring. I guess we'll see.

Is your profession such that you can decide where to live without changing positions? Just asking, you should ignore if too personal.

by **Trapper Gus** Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:16 am

GRR Spartan wrote:One more point about the GOP in MI.

In 2016 Trump won MI by 10,700 votes
2018 Whitmer defeated AG Schuette by 406,659 votes
2020 Biden beat President Trump by 154,188 votes
Now it looks like Whitmer will win again.

Yet MI’s GOP is still under the illusion that MI is a Red Wave state when maps show their biggest support in in low population hinterlands.

I think with Romney - Milliken as Govenor the State gave off a reddish vibe & then with the takeover of the legislature (via term limits? & gerrymandering) the State looked much redder than it is. It is purple, about 51/49 to the blue side of that.

I will give the Republicans in the state credit that a significant portion of them really want good government policies and voting, which is why we see overwhelming support for fair voting and districting proposals. This is much more Milliken's Republican Michigan than Sydnor's or Devoss's. BTW I think his son is a Realtor in A2.

by **Trapper Gus** Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:32 am

Trapper Gus wrote:
Adam Frisch has 147,263 and the vile Lauren Boebert has 142,328. Only one county in her district, Mesa, has not completed its election night tally. Mesa voters cast 63,918 votes, 35,158 for BoBo and 25,728 for Frisch. That means only 3,032 votes remain to be counted in Mesa. Even if BoBo won all of them, she would still fall short.

I don’t know if there are any early or absentee ballots yet to tally...

Any Dem pick up is good with the House being so close.

UPDATE: Wednesday, Nov 9, 2022 · 7:41:31 AM EST · Yosef 52
I just checked. Frisch has a 3500 vote lead and only 1600 ballots remain to be counted in Mesa.

by **GRR Spartan** Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:56 am

With Democratic candidate’s wins in the MI Senate and MI House races to get majorities in both they will be choosing House Speaker.

State Representative Joe Tate (D-MI 10th) is expected to become House Speaker Joe Tate.

Tate was a 3yr starter for MSU’s OLine, enlisted in the USMC Infantry Officer and served 2 tours in Afghanistan.

SPARTANS WILL

by **Robert J Sakimano** Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:05 am

it's almost like an entire political party centering itself around a racist, bigoted christian sexual predator who mocks disabled people, brags about raping women and pays hush money to porn stars isn't politically expedient.

Democrats on he national level had absolutely no business being in this thing. They'd screw up a one car funeral.

please... GOP and faithful christian followers.. PLEASE.. stick to the anti-democracy, misogynistic, racist, bigoted, election-denying, hate-filled message and candidates in 2024.

by **tGreenWay** Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:27 am

GRR Spartan wrote:With Democratic candidate’s wins in the MI Senate and MI House races to get majorities in both they will be choosing House Speaker.

State Representative Joe Tate (D-MI 10th) is expected to become House Speaker Joe Tate.

Tate was a 3yr stater for MSU’s OLine, enlisted n the USMC and served 2 tours in Afghanistan.

SPARTANS WILL

It was obvious by the time Tate graduated that he would be going on to do great things.

by PennSpartan Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:44 pm

What a stupid waste of money. So now millions will be spent over the next month for a do over.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/crucial-georgia-senate-race-between-warnock-walker-heads-to-december-runoff-184639380.html

by **Floyd Robertson** Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:01 pm

Ohio deserves J.D. Vance. Fuck them.

by **Motown Spartan** Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:07 pm

PennSpartan wrote:What a stupid waste of money. So now millions will be spent over the next month for a do over.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/crucial-georgia-senate-race-between-warnock-walker-heads-to-december-runoff-184639380.html

Yep. Stupid, hypocritical, evangelical Christian, conservative republicans have cast enough votes for an anti-abortionist who pays for abortions instead of a black pastor to force a run off.

by **Trapper Gus** Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:10 pm

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/9/2134786/-Ground-View-from-a-Michigan-Millenial

I think this is worth a read if you are bored and have 5 minutes to waste, only because towards the end there is a paragraph that defines what people from Michigan feel. TL:DR for most

by **steveschneider** Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:13 pm

Those voting lines at MSU were stunning. I haven't seen a line that long since a welcome week kegger. Very proud of the youngsters that turned it out yesterday.

by **Trapper Gus** Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:28 pm

When I saw the pictures of lines like that at MSU, UofM and Austin TX it began to feel like it wasn't a Red Wave and that some sort of Blue Wave might be possible.

Not really a Blue Wave, well except for some states offices like in Michigan, but way better than the Red Wave that the MSM.was trying to force us into.

by PennSpartan Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:32 pm

Trapper Gus wrote:https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/9/2134786/-Ground-View-from-a-Michigan-Millenial

I think this is worth a read if you are bored and have 5 minutes to waste, only because towards the end there is a paragraph that defines what people from Michigan feel. TL:DR for most

So I decided to read one of your millions of propaganda links, and found this:
“At our core, we’re centrist libertarians with a very small government.”

by **Rocinante** Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:40 pm

Don’t worry Penn. as soon as the GA GOP realizes that runoffs don’t favor them anymore they will get rid of them.

by **Trapper Gus** Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:46 pm

Rocinante wrote:Don’t worry Penn. as soon as the GA GOP realizes that runoffs don’t favor them anymore they will get rid of them.

One wonders if they will turn to "ranked choice" which seems like a more rational way to do the same thing.

by **steveschneider** Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:03 pm

Trapper Gus wrote:When I saw the pictures of lines like that at MSU, UofM and Austin TX it began to feel like it wasn't a Red Wave and that some sort of Blue Wave might be possible.

Not really a Blue Wave, well except for some states offices like in Michigan, but way better than the Red Wave that the MSM.was trying to force us into.

The numbers of 20 somethings that voted blue is the tale of the tape. I didn't know what to expect tonight but in short screw the pundits. Have to give Michael Moore credit he seemed to have it more right on than most of the people I heard.

by **Trapper Gus** Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:11 pm

Looks like 50/50 US Senate again, if everything works out, and a narrowly divided House.

Not much gets done, either due to Democratic "moderates" in the Senate, or due to the Repubicans controlling the House, if that happens.

What the Democratic Party needs, a national Voting Rights Act that mandates fair districting, like Michigan and a few other States have, and fair voting, which no place seems to have, is very unlikely, and very possibly would be declared unconstitutional by the now radical Supreme Court.

by **Rocinante** Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:15 pm

That’s okay as long as they can’t rollback the spending in CHIPS and the IRA. Nothing is fine because we’re on the right track. Get ready for a meaningless debt ceiling fight and maybe a fun government shutdown!

by aualum06 Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:23 pm

The meltdown of people not understanding how people are anti trump, red, and crazy is epic as expected. I'm still confused for how women vote for the white power movement especially when it's a white male power movement

by **Cameron** Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:25 pm

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by msugolfguy Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:32 pm

aualum06 wrote:The meltdown of people not understanding how people are anti trump, red, and crazy is epic as expected. I'm still confused for how women vote for the white power movement especially when it's a white male power movement

Generally women follow what their husband does and men really split for men like at insane levels.

by **Trapper Gus** Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:42 pm

msugolfguy wrote:
aualum06 wrote:The meltdown of people not understanding how people are anti trump, red, and crazy is epic as expected. I'm still confused for how women vote for the white power movement especially when it's a white male power movement

Generally women follow what their husband does and men really split for men like at insane levels.

There is a group of women who do what their friends do, but their husbands are not their friends.

by AvgMSUJoe Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:44 pm

aualum06 wrote:The meltdown of people not understanding how people are anti trump, red, and crazy is epic as expected. I'm still confused for how women vote for the white power movement especially when it's a white male power movement

Their pastor and therefore GOD tells them to.

by **MiamiSpartan** Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:53 pm

Cameron wrote:[tw]1590404134939025408?s=20&t=VSI-OuGQ3fhM9KmpDJW63Q[/tw]

I feel like those numbers are always like that, when presented as a percentage of that segment. But what matters is the turnout in the younger age group in order to make that +28 more relevant in the number of actual votes. It sounds like turnout was good amongst the youngins.

by msugolfguy Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:10 pm

MiamiSpartan wrote:
Cameron wrote:[tw]1590404134939025408?s=20&t=VSI-OuGQ3fhM9KmpDJW63Q[/tw]

I feel like those numbers are always like that, when presented as a percentage of that segment. But what matters is the turnout in the younger age group in order to make that +28 more relevant in the number of actual votes. It sounds like turnout was good amongst the youngins.

They really want that weed or something!

by Pervis Muldoon Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:10 pm

PennSpartan wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Hahahaha no you don’t get to back track on all your doom and gloom. Nope. All the posts are here and can be quoted. “They’re going to lose because of progressives and student loans”- Penn, basically

Student loan relief for everybody!!
The Democrats haven’t won anything yet. They still might lose the House and Senate. They lose either one and there’s no more progressive bullshit for the next two years. Keep your fingers crossed.

I'm glad you finally stopped pretending to be a Democrat...long after everyone else realized you're a MAGA.

by PennSpartan Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:20 pm

Pervis Muldoon wrote:
PennSpartan wrote:
The Democrats haven’t won anything yet. They still might lose the House and Senate. They lose either one and there’s no more progressive bullshit for the next two years. Keep your fingers crossed.

I'm glad you finally stopped pretending to be a Democrat...long after everyone else realized you're a MAGA.

Isn’t this like the 100th time you’ve said this? I don’t give a fuck what you think I am. What I’m not is a Progressive begging the government to pay my bills. I’m not that lazy.

by **InTenSity** Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:28 pm

Trapper Gus wrote:
InTenSity wrote:DeSantis gerrymandered FL himself. The FL legislature did it first and handed it to him, he straight up said, fuck that, and redrew it to give the R's super majorities. I'm going to have a real decision, based on any policies they pass on whether or not to stay here. There may not be a state income tax, but insurance rates are going up anywhere from 10-100% on people. Desantis has done nothing, except allow insurance companies to write the new laws about insuring. I guess we'll see.

Is your profession such that you can decide where to live without changing positions? Just asking, you should ignore if too personal.

I missed this somehow. To answer, there could be risk. My wife can work anywhere though. She doesn't want to and all of her family in the US is here, so a move would be tough. I just don't like the direction this state is moving in. Good ol boys are taking over.

by Pervis Muldoon Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:40 pm

PennSpartan wrote:
Pervis Muldoon wrote:

I'm glad you finally stopped pretending to be a Democrat...long after everyone else realized you're a MAGA.
Isn’t this like the 100th time you’ve said this? I don’t give a fuck what you think I am. What I’m not is a Progressive begging the government to pay my bills. I’m not that lazy.

You are extremely lazy. You got all the help you needed but refuse to help others. And you're a MAGA.

by sεяεηιτλ Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:02 pm

GRR Spartan wrote:With Democratic candidate’s wins in the MI Senate and MI House races to get majorities in both they will be choosing House Speaker.

State Representative Joe Tate (D-MI 10th) is expected to become House Speaker Joe Tate.

Tate was a 3yr starter for MSU’s OLine, enlisted in the USMC Infantry Officer and served 2 tours in Afghanistan.

SPARTANS WILL

Wait, dems took the MI senate and house?

If yes, I am shocked.

Edit: yes it's true. Looks like dems have 56 of 110 House seats and 20 of 38 senate seats. Never thought I'd see the day. I guess this is a really really good example of just how bad republican gerrymandering is for this country. What unamerican trash. Whitmer should have a real good two years !

by sεяεηιτλ Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:09 pm

Trapper Gus wrote:Looks like 50/50 US Senate again, if everything works out, and a narrowly divided House.

Not much gets done, either due to Democratic "moderates" in the Senate, or due to the Repubicans controlling the House, if that happens.

What the Democratic Party needs, a national Voting Rights Act that mandates fair districting, like Michigan and a few other States have, and fair voting, which no place seems to have, is very unlikely, and very possibly would be declared unconstitutional by the now radical Supreme Court.

If trump runs, there will be an opportunity to take everything in two years and get what you are dreaming of. Democrats right now should be out organizing reproductive freedom related ballot initiatives in every contested state. Add in another proposal or two (MJ, and a minor voting rights proposal?) And maybe you can generate a big blue wave. Michigan should be seen as a blueprint for taking other states. You need these issues to motivate as many democrats as possible.

by PennSpartan Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:22 am

Pervis Muldoon wrote:
PennSpartan wrote:
Isn’t this like the 100th time you’ve said this? I don’t give a fuck what you think I am. What I’m not is a Progressive begging the government to pay my bills. I’m not that lazy.

You are extremely lazy. You got all the help you needed but refuse to help others. And you're a MAGA.

I definitely won’t help Progressives. And from now on I won’t even vote for them. Thanks for the tip.

by **Trapper Gus** Thu Nov 10, 2022 7:18 am

Floyd Robertson wrote:Ohio deserves J.D. Vance. Fuck them.

The Ohio State government has been suppressing the Democratic Voting Districts for decades.

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