Congrats to "Pro Life" Republicans/Libertarians and the NRA.. Back To School Means School Shootings..

Apparently the kid used an "AR-15 style" rifle. I'm sure his parents are "responsible gun owners".

Heat Miser wrote:Apparently the kid used an "AR-15 style" rifle. I'm sure his parents are "responsible gun owners".

Just last week they were good guys with guns but now they’re bad guys with guns :(

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Lazy take.

No.

Solving the problem is simple.

Ban Guns.

We all know it would work.

The lazy take it to keep saying it cannot be done.

It has been done in other democracies with hunting cultures, so it can be done.

It's wimps who say it cannot be done that are why it's not happening.

The lives, & blood, of all the murders are on those wimps hands & heads

Those wimps, as the Georgia sheriff has said, are evil people.

I'm not saying you're being disingenuous Trapper, those of us here who are interested in solutions are all on the same side and it is literally mind boggling to me that we are not ALL on the same side on this issue in this country. Everyone should be able to agree that there is a gun violence problem that needs to be solved. We can't even agree on that much, but I digress. I don't believe you're being realistic. How do you go about banning and confiscating guns? I would like to hear your plan. In my mind there is no way to take away guns from people who have guns for bad intentions. There are thousands and thousands of unregistered guns, guns with no serial numbers, etc. If the government comes for guns, what is to prevent these bad actors from hiding them. You will never ever get good guys with guns to give them up so long as bad guys still have their guns, and it would be a recipe for disaster.

I'm certainly open to hearing any kind of solutions. The border does not keep me up at night, nor does abortion or trans women playing sports. With the 3 people in my life that I hold dearest spending 75% of their time in public schools every day, including a HS freshman, guns keep me up at night.

Don’t forget Ted Cruz blaming doors. We have door problem.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Lazy take.

No.

Solving the problem is simple.

Ban Guns.

We all know it would work.

The lazy take it to keep saying it cannot be done.

It has been done in other democracies with hunting cultures, so it can be done.

It's wimps who say it cannot be done that are why it's not happening.

The lives, & blood, of all the murders are on those wimps hands & heads

Those wimps, as the Georgia sheriff has said, are evil people.

I'm not saying you're being disingenuous Trapper, those of us here who are interested in solutions are all on the same side and it is literally mind boggling to me that we are not ALL on the same side on this issue in this country. Everyone should be able to agree that there is a gun violence problem that needs to be solved. We can't even agree on that much, but I digress. I don't believe you're being realistic. How do you go about banning and confiscating guns? I would like to hear your plan. In my mind there is no way to take away guns from people who have guns for bad intentions. There are thousands and thousands of unregistered guns, guns with no serial numbers, etc. If the government comes for guns, what is to prevent these bad actors from hiding them. You will never ever get good guys with guns to give them up so long as bad guys still have their guns, and it would be a recipe for disaster.

I'm certainly open to hearing any kind of solutions. The border does not keep me up at night, nor does abortion or trans women playing sports. With the 3 people in my life that I hold dearest spending 75% of their time in public schools every day, including a HS freshman, guns keep me up at night.

I can promise you the solution is NOT more guns. The solution is mitigation, not elimination. Seat belts don't prevent all traffic accident death/injury. Neither do anti-lock breaks. Yet they are required by law. Why? Because they mitigate the problem. They don't solve it. So...

Assault weapons ban. Statistics show this was effective the last time it was enacted.
Red flag law.
3 day waiting period with mandatory background check.
Required registration and license.
Tax ammo. Tax guns. Just like booze and tobacco. Keep raising those taxes. Just like booze & tobacco.
I'd go so far as to require a gun safety certification to own one. Just like a driver's test for a driver's license.

There are plenty of ways to mitigate. There is no 100% solution. Stop letting perfect be the enemy of the good.

Heat Miser wrote:

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:

I'm not saying you're being disingenuous Trapper, those of us here who are interested in solutions are all on the same side and it is literally mind boggling to me that we are not ALL on the same side on this issue in this country. Everyone should be able to agree that there is a gun violence problem that needs to be solved. We can't even agree on that much, but I digress. I don't believe you're being realistic. How do you go about banning and confiscating guns? I would like to hear your plan. In my mind there is no way to take away guns from people who have guns for bad intentions. There are thousands and thousands of unregistered guns, guns with no serial numbers, etc. If the government comes for guns, what is to prevent these bad actors from hiding them. You will never ever get good guys with guns to give them up so long as bad guys still have their guns, and it would be a recipe for disaster.

I'm certainly open to hearing any kind of solutions. The border does not keep me up at night, nor does abortion or trans women playing sports. With the 3 people in my life that I hold dearest spending 75% of their time in public schools every day, including a HS freshman, guns keep me up at night.

I can promise you the solution is NOT more guns. The solution is mitigation, not elimination. Seat belts don't prevent all traffic accident death/injury. Neither do anti-lock breaks. Yet they are required by law. Why? Because they mitigate the problem. They don't solve it. So...

Assault weapons ban. Statistics show this was effective the last time it was enacted.
Red flag law.
3 day waiting period with mandatory background check.
Required registration and license.
Tax ammo. Tax guns. Just like booze and tobacco. Keep raising those taxes. Just like booze & tobacco.
I'd go so far as to require a gun safety certification to own one. Just like a driver's test for a driver's license.

There are plenty of ways to mitigate. There is no 100% solution. Stop letting perfect be the enemy of the good.

You don't have to sell me on these common sense measures. I'm just asking Trapper for his plan since he advocates for eliminating guns and says you're a coward if you don't agree that it is feasible.

Multiple reports say the shooter had been on law enforcement’s radar and been interviewed in the past.  Denied making threats on Discord (ever hear of it?)

Wonder why the shooter’s father continued to have guns and ammunition  in the house available after his son had been interviewed by the FBI.

Okay, just seeing Heat"s & WBH's last post...

When I say "Ban Guns" I do mean it.

In the general public there are no real reasons anyone randomly needs a gun.

There are specific uses, hunting or killing pests are reasonable gun uses, however gun owners don't need to have guns for that 247.

Self defense in not an acceptable reason.

Police also do not need guns, guns just make them reckless of human life.

So there are acceptable reasons for guns.

How to eliminate guns?

Take your pick.

Outlaw them.

Tax in various ways at high rates.

Registration with specific allowed usage, aka hunting or pest control.

What holds us back is people wrongly believing nothing can be done.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Lazy take.

No.

Solving the problem is simple.

Ban Guns.

We all know it would work.

The lazy take it to keep saying it cannot be done.

It has been done in other democracies with hunting cultures, so it can be done.

It's wimps who say it cannot be done that are why it's not happening.

The lives, & blood, of all the murders are on those wimps hands & heads

Those wimps, as the Georgia sheriff has said, are evil people.

No.

Solving the problem is simple.

Ban kids.

We all know it would work. Without any kids, you can't shoot kids.

The lazy take it to keep saying it cannot be done.

It has been done in other countries with breeding cultures, so it can be done.

It's wimps who say it cannot be done that are why it's not happening.

The lives, & blood, of all the murders are on those wimps hands & heads.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:Okay, just seeing Heat"s & WBH's last post...

When I say "Ban Guns" I do mean it.

In the general public there are no real reasons anyone randomly needs a gun.

There are specific uses, hunting or killing pests are reasonable gun uses, however gun owners don't need to have guns for that 247.

Self defense in not an acceptable reason.

Police also do not need guns, guns just make them reckless of human life.

So there are acceptable reasons for guns.

How to eliminate guns?

Take your pick.

Outlaw them.

Tax in various ways at high rates.

Registration with specific allowed usage, aka hunting or pest control.

What holds us back is people wrongly believing nothing can be done.

while I agree - our country, and humanity, would be better off with no guns, I feel like it's pretty naive to think that we could just ban them.

we can't ban drunk driving - we can only regulate automobiles, alcohol, establishments that serve alcohol, etc., and punish offenders accordingly.

republicans/libertarians need violence. They need children to be murdered. It provides the fuel necessary to advance their agenda. I think what decent folks who love our family and friends can do is work to make sure republicans/libertarians become a permanent minority, in terms of representation, and move from there.

The first step to solving a problem is to admit there is a problem.

There are way too many uncontrolled guns in the US.

The simple solution is to get rid of them, Ban Guns in my parlance.

To say it can't be done is giving up before we try.

License, regulate, insure, tax the fuck out of them (like fund the "mental health" care the Rs like to blame) and confiscate every discovered gun that doesn't follow this.

If we can do those things for cars, we can for guns.

Meanwhile the shooters father has been charged with murder...

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/apalachee-school-shooting-georgia-09-05-24/index.html

Trapper Gus wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:while I agree - our country, and humanity, would be better off with no guns, I feel like it's pretty naive to think that we could just ban them.

we can't ban drunk driving - we can only regulate automobiles, alcohol, establishments that serve alcohol, etc., and punish offenders accordingly.

republicans/libertarians need violence. They need children to be murdered. It provides the fuel necessary to advance their agenda. I think what decent folks who love our family and friends can do is work to make sure republicans/libertarians become a permanent minority, in terms of representation, and move from there.

The first step to solving a problem is to admit there is a problem.

There are way too many uncontrolled guns in the US.

The simple solution is to get rid of them, Ban Guns in my parlance.

To say it can't be done is giving up before we try.

Thanks for the response(s). I'm not a big self defense guy but I disagree that it isn't an important enough factor to hold up your whole banning guns scenario in which we let all of the criminals keep their guns and all of the responsible gun owners and police have to turn in theirs. Listen to me, I sound like a fear mongering Republican. But seriously, your plan has some flaws.

It just isn’t a realistic option in the short term even though it probably would be ideal, and it isn’t the opinion of someone who currently has kids that are school aged. Sure it might take 20 years to build up the will to ban guns, and that means an additional 100+ shootings between now and then, but we’ll get there eventually and then it will be better. Sure that’s fine unless you’re involved in one of the shootings between now and then.

Slightly more realistic options is that it should be exceedingly easy to lose your guns. Like if for instance your 13 year old threatens to shoot up a school, you lose guns (and you can’t go buy one which is what he was allowed to do here.) all those licensing and whatnot requirements, miss a deadline lose guns. Do any number of things that could mean you’d use a gun to do something bad, lose guns. 

Cops should have guns, except they should be locked in their trunk, not at their hip at all times begging them to do something stupid. There should be an investigation (by a third party) if they so much as open their trunk, much less actually use the weapon. Build in barriers to make their stupid fearful minds think for a second before they start shooting people.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

The first step to solving a problem is to admit there is a problem.

There are way too many uncontrolled guns in the US.

The simple solution is to get rid of them, Ban Guns in my parlance.

To say it can't be done is giving up before we try.

Thanks for the response(s). I'm not a big self defense guy but I disagree that it isn't an important enough factor to hold up your whole banning guns scenario in which we let all of the criminals keep their guns and all of the responsible gun owners and police have to turn in theirs. Listen to me, I sound like a fear mongering Republican. But seriously, your plan has some flaws.

The problem is that that’s just sort of a talking point that doesn’t actually make sense, re “criminals keep their guns”.

The gun is what makes them a criminal. I joked earlier in the thread and said that last week they were good guys with guns but now they’re bad guys with guns, and that’s what I meant. They’re not criminals until they are criminals. Next weeks school shooter is this weeks law abiding gun owner who just wants to pertekt his family

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

The first step to solving a problem is to admit there is a problem.

There are way too many uncontrolled guns in the US.

The simple solution is to get rid of them, Ban Guns in my parlance.

To say it can't be done is giving up before we try.

Thanks for the response(s). I'm not a big self defense guy but I disagree that it isn't an important enough factor to hold up your whole banning guns scenario in which we let all of the criminals keep their guns and all of the responsible gun owners and police have to turn in theirs. Listen to me, I sound like a fear mongering Republican. But seriously, your plan has some flaws.

If all guns are banned the criminals don't have guns, so a failure in logic there.

That is the canard that gun huggers use as fear mongering.

Currently more robberies do not involve guns than do.



https://www.statista.com/statistics/251914/number-of-robberies-in-the-us-by-weapon/

Cameron wrote:It's not as simple as just saying "guns are banned," snapping your fingers, and all the guns are gone. That's what you are failing to elucidate.

A: Pass law banning guns
B: ???
C: Nobody has guns anymore

What is B? How do we actually accomplish it?

Okay...

Here is how...

Ban Guns.

Penalty for having a gun, confiscating of all your property and 100 years in prison.

Or if you think that is too harsh, we make that the penalty for using a gun in commission of any other crime and change the penalty for having a gun to a fine of a lesser amount and 30 days in jail.

My point is that it isn't that banning guns is impossible, it's that people like you have to want to ban guns.

Since you are saying it can't be done, when it clearly can, you all support the unneeded murders of innocent children guns create.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Cameron wrote:It's not as simple as just saying "guns are banned," snapping your fingers, and all the guns are gone. That's what you are failing to elucidate.

A: Pass law banning guns
B: ???
C: Nobody has guns anymore

What is B? How do we actually accomplish it?

Okay...

Here is how...

Ban Guns.

Penalty for having a gun, confiscating of all your property and 100 years in prison.

Or if you think that is too harsh, we make that the penalty for using a gun in commission of any other crime and change the penalty for having a gun to a fine of a lesser amount and 30 days in jail.

And people will just willingly comply. There will be no backlash whatsoever. Great idea, Trap! Why the hell didn't we all think of that?

(/s for Trap, 'cause... you know...)

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Okay...

Here is how...

Ban Guns.

Penalty for having a gun, confiscating of all your property and 100 years in prison.

Or if you think that is too harsh, we make that the penalty for using a gun in commission of any other crime and change the penalty for having a gun to a fine of a lesser amount and 30 days in jail.

And people will just willingly comply. There will be no backlash whatsoever. Great idea, Trap! Why the hell didn't we all think of that?

(/s for Trap, 'cause... you know...)

Because you are just waiting to cheer for the next mass murder. Banning guns is the only way to stop this madness and you all are insane on this issue

BTW, yes a majority of people will willing comply.

About four-in-ten U.S. adults say they live in a household with a gun, including 32% who say they personally own one.

An easy statistic since only a third of citizens own guns.

Also easy because "Ban Guns" can be done via requiring registration of all guns with a large licensing fee, escalating from hundreds of dollars a year for single shot shotguns to hundreds of thousands for any multishot gun, including handguns.

It’s all just talk.

Especially the idea of banning all guns.

Loves centrist do nothings like slotkin, wants to ban guns. Clarence Thomas thinks you’re funny

kingstonlake wrote:It’s all just talk.

Yes. However words lead to actions.

However those who deny it could be done are part of the problem, and to me they are just as responsible for every murder by gun as the person who pulls the trigget.

Trapper Gus wrote:BTW, yes a majority of people will willing comply.

About four-in-ten U.S. adults say they live in a household with a gun, including 32% who say they personally own one.

An easy statistic since only a third of citizens own guns.

Also easy because "Ban Guns" can be done via requiring registration of all guns with a large licensing fee, escalating from hundreds of dollars a year for single shot shotguns to hundreds of thousands for any multishot gun, including handguns.

That's exactly what the white racists proposed when they wanted to keep "those people" from obtaining arms in the 60's.

Cameron wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Okay...

Here is how...

Ban Guns.

Penalty for having a gun, confiscating of all your property and 100 years in prison.

Or if you think that is too harsh, we make that the penalty for using a gun in commission of any other crime and change the penalty for having a gun to a fine of a lesser amount and 30 days in jail.

My point is that it isn't that banning guns is impossible, it's that people like you have to want to ban guns.

Since you are saying it can't be done, when it clearly can, you all support the unneeded murders of innocent children guns create.

I am not a gun owner, and I am not bothered by the notion of banning them. Acting like everyone who is not patting you on the back for the brilliance and nobility of your "ban guns" stance is asinine.

If there was a magic wand that Traps could wave and make all the guns in the world disappear, I'd support his measure in a heartbeat. But because I recognize it's a stupid idea, I somehow support killing kiddos.

Welcome to the world of the "moderate" left.

Trapper Gus wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:It’s all just talk.

Yes. However words lead to actions.

However those who deny it could be done are part of the problem, and to me they are just as responsible for every murder by gun as the person who pulls the trigget.

I'll keep that in mind. Thanks.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Yes. However words lead to actions.

However those who deny it could be done are part of the problem, and to me they are just as responsible for every murder by gun as the person who pulls the trigget.

I'll keep that in mind.  Thanks.

Think hard about it.  The lack of action by politicians because they want your gun jerking off vote is what is murdering children.  Gun deaths are the number one killer of children in the US and you are to blame.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Yes. However words lead to actions.

However those who deny it could be done are part of the problem, and to me they are just as responsible for every murder by gun as the person who pulls the trigget.

I'll keep that in mind.  Thanks.

Yeah pretty asinine.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

I'll keep that in mind. Thanks.

Think hard about it. The lack of action by politicians because they want your gun matrabating vote is what is murdering children. Gun deaths are the number one killer of children in the US and you are to blame.

Well I would but now I'm jacking off to weird French cars.

kingstonlake wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

I'll keep that in mind.  Thanks.

Yeah pretty asinine.

The asinine action is everyone who says we cannot Ban Guns to stop the number one killer of children in this country.