Fluoride: The scourge of Wyoming.

The Pantry wrote:

GirbaudJeans wrote:

Not true.
he EPA is against fluoridation?
A quote is given on the "Safe Water" website along with something which could be construed as the Environmental Protection Agency logo. The quote suggests that the EPA does not support community water fluoridation. And again, this is highly deceptive! In the first place, the EPA is barred, by law, from either opposing or endorsing fluoridation of municipal water supplies. But they are not barred from making statements about fluoride's effectiveness in fighting cavities or in its safety. Let's see what the EPA really says about the cavity-fighting effectiveness of fluoridation: "Fluoride in drinking water at levels of about 1 ppm reduces the number of dental cavities." (Reference: 51 Fed Reg 1140, 1986.) With regard to safety, the EPA says "There exists no directly applicable scientific documentation of adverse medical effects at levels of fluoride below 8mg/liter." (Reference: 62 Fed Reg 64297, 1997.)



Later on, the anti's site states explicitly that the EPA is against fluoride, and it cites a vote opposing water fluoridation by one local union of the National Treasury Employees Union (Chapter 280) at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). This vote was taken at a meeting attended by less than 20 members of the union which is over 1000 strong. In fact, the "ringleader" of the 20 members who voted to oppose fluoride, Bill Hirzy, is the first to admit that he does not represent the position of the EPA. However, the antifluoridationists tend to see that distinction as unimportant and instead try to mislead the public into believing that the EPA is against water fluoridation.

Settle-down there, designer jeans dude.

Again, I have no interest in getting into battles like this any longer because:
1) I will never change your mind
2) You will never change my mind
3) You're wrong, just like my stalker Gomer

tGreenWay wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:Because you'll be preparing to watch the Lions, or because your favorite cargo jorts will be in the wash after getting super dirty at Bob's MSU tailgate the day before?

Because I'm a heathen. And I don't wear jorts.

Turtleneck wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:

Because I'm a heathen. And I don't wear jorts.

Just carts (cargo shorts)?

GirbaudJeans wrote:

The Pantry wrote:Settle-down there, designer jeans dude.

Again, I have no interest in getting into battles like this any longer because:
1) I will never change your mind
2) You will never change my mind
3) You're wrong, just like my stalker Gomer

This is typical conspiracy theorists play. A claim is thoroughly debunked and sourced, fingers go into ears.

GirbaudJeans wrote:Seriously though Pantry, i am actually curious of your thought process here. You drink alcohol which people poison themselves to death with daily, you eat delicious BBQ which has known carcinogens from the burning/smoking of the meat but you are worried about something that is 1 part per million. Which do you really think is worse for you ? Also, do you drink a ton of water from the tap ?

The Pantry wrote:

GirbaudJeans wrote:

This is typical conspiracy theorists play. A claim is thoroughly debunked and sourced, fingers go into ears.

Cool that it has been debunked to your satisfaction. Not mine.

Feel free to ingest whatever the government has deemed safe, including tap water purposely laced with fluoride under the premise it reduces cavities.

Fluoride is highly toxic. Arguably more toxic than lead. Why anyone would want to consume more fluoride than naturally occurs in nature under the premise it is good for your teeth, while disregarding affects on the rest of the body, is beyond me.

Pretty sure you're the one with thumbs in ears, and fingers simultaneously over your eyes. You owe your kids more than to think that shallow.

The Pantry wrote:Settle-down there, designer jeans dude.

Again, I have no interest in getting into battles like this any longer because:
1) I will never change your mind
2) You will never change my mind
3) You're wrong, just like my stalker Gomer
4) I'm a dipshit taking insupportable positions
5) Thankfully I've grown aware if this and have stopped foisting it upon others

The Pantry wrote:

GirbaudJeans wrote:

This is typical conspiracy theorists play. A claim is thoroughly debunked and sourced, fingers go into ears.

Cool that it has been debunked to your satisfaction. Not mine.

Feel free to ingest whatever the government has deemed safe, including tap water purposely laced with fluoride under the premise it reduces cavities.

Fluoride is highly toxic. Arguably more toxic than lead. Why anyone would want to consume more fluoride than naturally occurs in nature under the premise it is good for your teeth, while disregarding affects on the rest of the body, is beyond me.

Pretty sure you're the one with thumbs in ears, and fingers simultaneously over your eyes. You owe your kids more than to think that shallow.

GirbaudJeans wrote:Seriously though Pantry, i am actually curious of your thought process here. You drink alcohol which people poison themselves to death with daily, you eat delicious BBQ which has known carcinogens from the burning/smoking of the meat but you are worried about something that is 1 part per million. Which do you really think is worse for you ? Also, do you drink a ton of water from the tap ?

The Pantry wrote:

GirbaudJeans wrote:Seriously though Pantry, i am actually curious of your thought process here. You drink alcohol which people poison themselves to death with daily, you eat delicious BBQ which has known carcinogens from the burning/smoking of the meat but you are worried about something that is 1 part per million. Which do you really think is worse for you ? Also, do you drink a ton of water from the tap ?

Sure. Alcohol is poisonous. Everything in moderation.

Actually wrote an article for a newsletter about carcinogens in BBQ about 12 years ago that advocated a method to reduce them. Have it on paper somewhere in the house but don't care to look for it. Over the years since ended up deciding BBQ was one of the least things to be concerned about.

Drink tap water occasionally after running out of bottled spring water, then it's time to go to the store. City tap water has a nasty taste. Probably more to do with the chloride than fluoride.

Gomer wrote:

The Pantry wrote:
Cool that it has been debunked to your satisfaction.  Not mine.  

Feel free to ingest whatever the government has deemed safe, including tap water purposely laced with fluoride under the premise it reduces cavities.  

Fluoride is highly toxic. Arguably more toxic than lead.  Why anyone would want to consume more fluoride than naturally occurs in nature under the premise it is good for your teeth, while disregarding affects on the rest of the body, is beyond me.

Pretty sure you're the one with thumbs in ears, and fingers simultaneously over your eyes.  You owe your kids more than to think that shallow.

 

As pointed out earlier, chlorine is far more toxic than fluoride.  'Course considering you like cow-shit milk you probably think chlorination is killing us all too.

As for "more fluoride than naturally occurs in nature" there are many natural drinking water sources that have higher levels of natural fluorine than what is added to municipal tap water.

The Pantry wrote:

Gomer wrote:

As pointed out earlier, chlorine is far more toxic than fluoride.  'Course considering you like cow-shit milk you probably think chlorination is killing us all too.

As for "more fluoride than naturally occurs in nature" there are many natural drinking water sources that have higher levels of natural fluorine than what is added to municipal tap water.

Check the map on the right side.  Think Michigan needs additional fluoride in municipal water supplies just to prevent tooth decay?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride_toxicity

GRR Spartan wrote:Saw guys in the military from places without fluoride in the water and their teeth were bombed out compared to city dwellers.  

The Pantry wrote:You can shut up with your believed political correctness, Gomer. You'll never see anything beyond what your self-imposed blinders will allow.

Turtleneck wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:Saw guys in the military from places without fluoride in the water and their teeth were bombed out compared to city dwellers.  

Amazing new inventions that could be used in place of fluoridated water....





Maybe government should come to our houses and order us - at gun point of course - to brush out teeth.

GRR Spartan wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:

Amazing new inventions that could be used in place of fluoridated water....





Maybe government should come to our houses and order us - at gun point of course - to brush out teeth.

Your choice  

The Pantry wrote:

Drink tap water occasionally after running out of bottled spring water, then it's time to go to the store.

Turtleneck wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:

Your choice

Exactly. Our bodies our choices of bodies. Keep government out of our mouths.

Rocinante wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:

Exactly. Our bodies our choices of bodies. Keep government out of our mouths.

I guess it's also a choice for a jackass to go to the emergency room for an infected jaw when his teeth are rotting out. And it's my choice to pay for the uninsured ass' medical treatment. Wait, no it's not. I have to pay.

Rocinante wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:

Exactly. Our bodies our choices of bodies. Keep government out of our mouths.

I guess it's also a choice for a jackass to go to the emergency room for an infected jaw when his teeth are rotting out. And it's my choice to pay for the uninsured ass' medical treatment. Wait, no it's not. I have to pay.

CORNER BLITZ wrote:

The Pantry wrote:

Drink tap water occasionally after running out of bottled spring water, then it's time to go to the store.

you gone

GRR Spartan wrote:

Rocinante wrote:

I guess it's also a choice for a jackass to go to the emergency room for an infected jaw when his teeth are rotting out. And it's my choice to pay for the uninsured ass' medical treatment. Wait, no it's not. I have to pay.

Actually the biggest issue arising from poor dental health is cardiac disease. The same bugs that are infecting the nerve(s) in your decaying tech get into your bloodstream and take up residence in your heart deteriorating the heart valves. The infections also reduce your immune system so you are more likely to have a cold go to pneumonia.

GR was the first city in the U.S. to add fluoride to its water in 1945. Now it's in about 70% of all public water systems.

Prior to WW2 extractions, false teeth and bridges were often the major portions of a dentist's practice. WW2 was a huge wake up call because the government realized the men in service couldn't lose man hours to tooth aches and at home for the first time there was a severe labor shortage for factories. After WW2 people in public health started paying attention to fluoride studies.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

CORNER BLITZ wrote:

you gone

The real asshole here is the guy still buying plastic water bottles.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

CORNER BLITZ wrote:

you gone

The real asshole here is the guy still buying plastic water bottles.

LooseGoose wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

The real asshole here is the guy still buying plastic water bottles.

The real suckers are the people buying bottled water at all.   The biggest marketing scam of the 20th century.   Here, let me bottle up some Detroit tap water and sell it to you at $1 a bottle!!!

The Pantry wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

The real asshole here is the guy still buying plastic water bottles.

Don't get your panties in a bunch...they all get recycled.

Gomer wrote:

The Pantry wrote:
Don't get your panties in a bunch...they all get recycled.

Yeah, jackass. He recycles them! After all the energy goes into making the bottle. And hauling it in a truck to a distribution center. And hauling it to the Walmart. And then unloading it with a forklift. And ten driving to the store to get it. And then driving back. And then the recycling truck has to come get it and take it to another distribution center. Where another truck comes and gets it. To put it on a boat to China.

All because this wackadoo is afraid of tap water. The highest quality potable water that people in developing countries would die for.

tGreenWay wrote:

Gomer wrote:
Yeah, jackass. He recycles them! After all the energy goes into making the bottle. And hauling it in a truck to a distribution center. And hauling it to the Walmart. And then unloading it with a forklift. And ten driving to the store to get it. And then driving back. And then the recycling truck has to come get it and take it to another distribution center. Where another truck comes and gets it. To put it on a boat to China.

All because this wackadoo is afraid of tap water. The highest quality potable water that people in developing countries would die for.

Didn't China recently stop taking in our plastic?  Or was that just bluster.

The Pantry wrote:

GirbaudJeans wrote:Seriously though Pantry, i am actually curious of your thought process here. You drink alcohol which people poison themselves to death with daily, you eat delicious BBQ which has known carcinogens from the burning/smoking of the meat but you are worried about something that is 1 part per million. Which do you really think is worse for you ? Also, do you drink a ton of water from the tap ?

Sure. Alcohol is poisonous. Everything in moderation.

Actually wrote an article for a newsletter about carcinogens in BBQ about 12 years ago that advocated a method to reduce them. Have it on paper somewhere in the house but don't care to look for it. Over the years since ended up deciding BBQ was one of the least things to be concerned about.

Drink tap water occasionally after running out of bottled spring water, then it's time to go to the store. City tap water has a nasty taste. Probably more to do with the chloride than fluoride.

Gomer wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:

Didn't China recently stop taking in our plastic?  Or was that just bluster.

Yeah. A lot of it is just going to the landfill now. Way to go, Pantry.

Don't even get me started on the health effects of drinking water that's had all the plastic chemicals leaching into it while it sits in a hot truck. But watch out! Fluoride!!!

tGreenWay wrote:

Gomer wrote:
Yeah. A lot of it is just going to the landfill now. Way to go, Pantry.

Don't even get me started on the health effects of drinking water that's had all the plastic chemicals leaching into it while it sits in a hot truck. But watch out! Fluoride!!!

That's what I thought. Not enough is being written about that. As for the leaching, that's another story that is under reported.  Now, the BPA-free plastic is under scrutiny.