Pardon my long political rant, but I think you might actually agree with me here
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Re: Pardon my long political rant, but I think you might actually agree with me here
Vlad wrote:Rocinante wrote:
What are you doing to curb police violence against unarmed people, Vlad? How about gun violence? Oh, okay, well I'm going to assume you're as guilty as they are.
Wait...you didn't even give me a chance to answer dude!
And can we stick to one issue at a time please? Or are you going to throw in world hunger and endanged whales too?
If I did it would make about the same amount of sense as your requirement that non-violent Muslims trumpet their displeasure from the rooftops.
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Robert J Sakimano wrote:Republican Tough Guy: "Have them rag heads come at me and I'll introduce them to my two friends.. Smith and Wesson"..
Republican Tough Guy: "OH MY GOD.. THEY'RE COMING"!!!!!
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Giant Moose wrote:C'mon guys. Just think about how funny it would be when the little Syrian refugee turns into a blueberry.Giant Moose wrote:I think we should close our borders, but once a year offer a chance to come in if you find a ticket made out of gold in a bar of chocolate.
More of the world would be buying our chocolate so it would be good for our economy. Plus if more of the world is consuming chocolate, they would be getting fatter and then Americans wouldn't seem as fat in comparison any more.
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tGreenWay wrote:Daddy, I want a green card and I WANT IT NOW!"
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hey republicans - can we at least agree that once the Syrian refugees get to experience the hell hole that Obama has created that they'll want to go back to Syria?
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"Augustus, dont drink that! That's not a river of chocolate, that's chemically-tainted water from a leaky tank leaching into the soil from a Koch Brothers' Georgia-Pacific paper plant!"
Yeah, I know. Too much.
Yeah, I know. Too much.
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Robert J Sakimano wrote:hey republicans - can we at least agree that once the Syrian refugees get to experience the hell hole that Obama has created that they'll want to go back to Syria?
this
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2015/0420/FBI-arrests-six-Somali-Americans-as-Minnesota-struggles-to-stem-terror-recruiting-video
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Re: Pardon my long political rant, but I think you might actually agree with me here
tGreenWay wrote:xsanguine wrote:
The generally accepted number is around 300 million. This is determined through surveys by companies like Pew.
CM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...law-in-UK.html
NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...ate=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY
People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a...after-iraq-war
YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/...t-infanticide/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...053251,00.html
World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi..._Feb09_rpt.pdf
Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/
Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/
Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/
16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/...aardbaar.dhtml
Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist
Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/mu...ns.pdf#page=60
That's probably about 1/8th of the surveys used to reach that number. So there's plenty more where that came from if you're interested.
Thank-you for this. I'll be curious to see how questions were framed.
Not having read any of this yet, I'll note there's a difference between being a radical and sympathizing with the particular action of one who is. For example, an anti-abortion Christian woman who sympathizes with the person who blew up a clinic but would never consider doing such a thing herself. Or the anti-tax zealot who renounces his U.S. citizenship in favor of a country where there are no, or ultra low, income taxes. Many of us might completely understand the frustration, but would never burn our passports ourselves.
The bottom line is this: I think most of us, all around the world, just want to be left alone to live our lives, maintain our belief systems, practice our religions--or not, go to work, and be with our families.
No worries, and like I said... that's about 1/8th of the surveys they've used. I tried to input all of them but it told me my post was too long. Which is fine because on second thought that would really clog up the thread. If you really want I could post the rest in several posts because they're surveys from the other areas and those on Americans, etc.
I'm not a fan of any religion. I mean, I don't care... do your thing. But I point that out because I have an entire book worth of devotion to Christianity's failings, in my view. But when Pew has done the research for Christians in western nations the sort of sympathy for people who kill abortion doctors and things of that nature aren't nearly as high as what they've found when surveying the populations in Muslim dominated countries.
All religions, in my view, aren't good for the brain... but not all religions are created equal, either. That's why there are so many different Muslim "terrorist" organizations because there's a lot of interpretations and a lot of breeding grounds for violent action when intellectually many individuals are already there.
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Re: Pardon my long political rant, but I think you might actually agree with me here
this thread makes me want more guns... ya know, so I can pertekt.
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Michael Moore: Dear Gov. Snyder: Syrian Refugees Are Welcome In My Home
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Robert J Sakimano wrote:Michael Moore: Dear Gov. Snyder: Syrian Refugees Are Welcome In My Home
I wish this idiot would stop wearing the State hats....
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CheesySpartan wrote:Robert J Sakimano wrote:Michael Moore: Dear Gov. Snyder: Syrian Refugees Are Welcome In My Home
I wish this idiot would stop wearing the State hats....
that's the only reason I posted it... hell, that dude owns more MSU gear than I do.
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Michael Moore lol what a piece of shit.
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Re: Pardon my long political rant, but I think you might actually agree with me here
xsanguine wrote:tGreenWay wrote:
Please source this estimate.
The generally accepted number is around 300 million. This is determined through surveys by companies like Pew.
CM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...law-in-UK.html
NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...ate=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY
People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a...after-iraq-war
YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/...t-infanticide/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...053251,00.html
World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi..._Feb09_rpt.pdf
Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/
Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/
Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/
16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/...aardbaar.dhtml
Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist
Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/mu...ns.pdf#page=60
That's probably about 1/8th of the surveys used to reach that number. So there's plenty more where that came from if you're interested.
Just because the very people we're talking about claim that they approve of terrorism doesn't mean that they really do!
Signed,
tGreenWay
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Rodeo Burger wrote:xsanguine wrote:
The generally accepted number is around 300 million. This is determined through surveys by companies like Pew.
CM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...law-in-UK.html
NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...ate=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY
People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a...after-iraq-war
YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/...t-infanticide/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...053251,00.html
World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi..._Feb09_rpt.pdf
Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/
Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/
Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/
16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/...aardbaar.dhtml
Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist
Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/mu...ns.pdf#page=60
That's probably about 1/8th of the surveys used to reach that number. So there's plenty more where that came from if you're interested.
Just because the very people we're talking about claim that they approve of terrorism doesn't mean that they really do!
Signed,
tGreenWay
Maybe, but he raises a good point.
Even Christians, those who state they want those who get tattoos and eat shellfish to die in a fire wouldn't actually do it if push came to shove. The point is that there are a far greater number of Muslims, according to the numbers, that state they are for extreme forms of punishment and killing infidels, etc. etc.
It doesn't make one religion better than the other... but it would be unwise to try and act like they are both operating in the same century today in the here and now.
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That's the way I see it.xsanguine wrote:Rodeo Burger wrote:
Just because the very people we're talking about claim that they approve of terrorism doesn't mean that they really do!
Signed,
tGreenWay
Maybe, but he raises a good point.
Even Christians, those who state they want those who get tattoos and eat shellfish to die in a fire wouldn't actually do it if push came to shove. The point is that there are a far greater number of Muslims, according to the numbers, that state they are for extreme forms of punishment and killing infidels, etc. etc.
It doesn't make one religion better than the other... but it would be unwise to try and act like they are both operating in the same century today in the here and now.
Was raised Protestant in a predominantly Catholic neighborhood (the church, elementary, middle, and high school were less than a mile away). For the most part all us kids (Catholic, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, etc) got along fine together. But, things changed around Lent. The Catholic kids got sort of high-and-mighty about not eating meat on Fridays, like they were better than the rest of us. All these years later still find it ironic both Jews and Muslims find pork offensive.
Not sure how to put this. I believe in a higher being. Just think that being has appeared in different forms around the World over time
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Without the indoctrination and brain washing of children, religion would disappear and the world would be a better place. All religions are retarded, the worst plague to ever infect the human mind.
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