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Post by DWags 2016-01-18, 11:35

Our freshman need to stop playing scared. Izzo yells. So what.
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Post by Blanch32 2016-01-18, 11:48

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Correction muffy. It's bonars like you and your Calvier and flippant attitude that is responsible. You tools thought it was an abbreviation and not the abortion it has become. Sorry sunshine you don't know dick about sports.

I'm not sure which is more funny : you believing that ANYTHING posted here has any effect on the actual games or believing that you are somehow a basketball expert.

Just for fun, please list what qualifies you as a guru on the game.

And then please fix this "abortion" of a team. Damn dude, how long do we ( and Izzo ) have to wait ?

Simple: I know hoop you do not. This answer should suffice for your simpleton reasoning exhibited throughout your posting history
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Post by DWags 2016-01-18, 12:02

Blanch32 wrote:
duffy munn wrote:

I'm not sure which is more funny : you believing that ANYTHING posted here has any effect on the actual games or believing that you are somehow a basketball expert.

Just for fun, please list what qualifies you as a guru on the game.

And then please fix this "abortion" of a team. Damn dude, how long do we ( and Izzo ) have to wait ?

Simple: I know hoop you do not. This answer should suffice for your simpleton reasoning exhibited throughout your posting history

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Post by Blanch32 2016-01-18, 12:08

Herbie Green wrote:I would say yesterday was an improvement from a coaching perspective. I think Izzo actually started the only 5 players that are capable of holding their own on both ends of the court: DV, McQuaid, Harris, Costello and Davis.
This has always been the problem with this team in my mind - that there are all these pieces but most of them are flawed like PGs that can't shoot, SGs that can't D, and some players that play yet don't really seem to provide much of anything.

I think this team has a chance to be better without Tum Tum. Unfortunately MSU doesn't have any other point guards which is Izzo's fault because he didn't recruit one. I really like the potential of Mcquaid because he can shoot and defend taller guards. But he is shaky right now.
This will finally force DV to the point more which Izzo was always unwilling to do. Even if it is not his best position I think it might be the best for the team. Because now you have McQuaid who can D the opponents PG and be a shooter on offense. We just need his J back. Harris can do some of this as well. Now we aren't automatically getting dominated at the PG position like we were with Tum Tum

Careful. The bonars here will remind you that Walton willed the 2009 team to the final four all by himself without any help from anyone and tum tum is already better than him because they say so
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Post by The_Dude 2016-01-18, 12:10

Blanch32 wrote:
Herbie Green wrote:I would say yesterday was an improvement from a coaching perspective. I think Izzo actually started the only 5 players that are capable of holding their own on both ends of the court: DV, McQuaid, Harris, Costello and Davis.
This has always been the problem with this team in my mind - that there are all these pieces but most of them are flawed like PGs that can't shoot, SGs that can't D, and some players that play yet don't really seem to provide much of anything.

I think this team has a chance to be better without Tum Tum. Unfortunately MSU doesn't have any other point guards which is Izzo's fault because he didn't recruit one. I really like the potential of Mcquaid because he can shoot and defend taller guards. But he is shaky right now.
This will finally force DV to the point more which Izzo was always unwilling to do. Even if it is not his best position I think it might be the best for the team. Because now you have McQuaid who can D the opponents PG and be a shooter on offense. We just need his J back. Harris can do some of this as well. Now we aren't automatically getting dominated at the PG position like we were with Tum Tum

Careful. The bonars here will remind you that Walton willed the 2009 team to the final four all by himself without any help from anyone and tum tum is already better than him because they say so


Come on..really? Someone said Tum is as good as Walton? scratch
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Post by DWags 2016-01-18, 12:11

Blanch32 wrote:
Herbie Green wrote:I would say yesterday was an improvement from a coaching perspective. I think Izzo actually started the only 5 players that are capable of holding their own on both ends of the court: DV, McQuaid, Harris, Costello and Davis.
This has always been the problem with this team in my mind - that there are all these pieces but most of them are flawed like PGs that can't shoot, SGs that can't D, and some players that play yet don't really seem to provide much of anything.

I think this team has a chance to be better without Tum Tum. Unfortunately MSU doesn't have any other point guards which is Izzo's fault because he didn't recruit one. I really like the potential of Mcquaid because he can shoot and defend taller guards. But he is shaky right now.
This will finally force DV to the point more which Izzo was always unwilling to do. Even if it is not his best position I think it might be the best for the team. Because now you have McQuaid who can D the opponents PG and be a shooter on offense. We just need his J back. Harris can do some of this as well. Now we aren't automatically getting dominated at the PG position like we were with Tum Tum

Careful. The bonars here will remind you that Walton willed the 2009 team to the final four all by himself without any help from anyone and tum tum is already better than him because they say so

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Post by Blanch32 2016-01-18, 12:14

Herbie Green wrote:What is so funny? Izzo is solely responsible for the players he gives scholarships to. I don't think it is good to have only one PG on a roster. His #1 plan was really to develop McQuaid into a backup PG behind Tum Tum? Really?

I guess I can kind of understand with Winston coming in next year and the Tum Tum injury is bad luck. BUT even if Tum Tum was healthy and even if he could also miraculously display his improved jump shot, MSU sill would have been starting in the hole at the PG spot. And that hole was 100% formed by the head coach. Unfortunately, now we are at the bottom of a well that has run dry.


This. Tum tum was a project from day 1. This isn't a shocker. Problem is izzo well balls deep here when he should have grabbed a grad transfer or JC guy at the same time to provide experience and allow us to redshirt tum. This team is built to win last year and now, not 2018.

....and if only izzo listened to cleaves and signed Monte Morris out of flint....
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Post by Blanch32 2016-01-18, 12:16

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Careful. The bonars here will remind you that Walton willed the 2009 team to the final four all by himself without any help from anyone and tum tum is already better than him because they say so


Come on..really? Someone said Tum is as good as Walton? scratch

They will. Hell I still get slammed to this day because I said chris hill was better than walton. The blowars cannot let logic sway them
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Post by InTenSity 2016-01-18, 12:18

Herbie Green wrote:What is so funny? Izzo is solely responsible for the players he gives scholarships to. I don't think it is good to have only one PG on a roster. His #1 plan was really to develop McQuaid into a backup PG behind Tum Tum? Really?

I guess I can kind of understand with Winston coming in next year and the Tum Tum injury is bad luck. BUT even if Tum Tum was healthy and even if he could also miraculously display his improved jump shot, MSU sill would have been starting in the hole at the PG spot. And that hole was 100% formed by the head coach. Unfortunately, now we are at the bottom of a well that has run dry.

What's funny is that you think Izzo only recruiting Tum Tum.
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Post by NigelUno 2016-01-18, 12:21

Herbie Green wrote:What is so funny? Izzo is solely responsible for the players he gives scholarships to. I don't think it is good to have only one PG on a roster. His #1 plan was really to develop McQuaid into a backup PG behind Tum Tum? Really?

I guess I can kind of understand with Winston coming in next year and the Tum Tum injury is bad luck. BUT even if Tum Tum was healthy and even if he could also miraculously display his improved jump shot, MSU sill would have been starting in the hole at the PG spot. And that hole was 100% formed by the head coach. Unfortunately, now we are at the bottom of a well that has run dry.


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Post by kingstonlake 2016-01-18, 12:22

Blanch32 wrote:
duffy munn wrote:

I'm not sure which is more funny : you believing that ANYTHING posted here has any effect on the actual games or believing that you are somehow a basketball expert.

Just for fun, please list what qualifies you as a guru on the game.

And then please fix this "abortion" of a team. Damn dude, how long do we ( and Izzo ) have to wait ?

Simple: I know hoop you do not. This answer should suffice for your simpleton reasoning exhibited throughout your posting history

Says the guy who thinks a first round draft pick on this team doesn't have what it takes to make it playing college ball.

So there's that.
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Post by Blanch32 2016-01-18, 12:23

InTenSity wrote:
Herbie Green wrote:What is so funny? Izzo is solely responsible for the players he gives scholarships to. I don't think it is good to have only one PG on a roster. His #1 plan was really to develop McQuaid into a backup PG behind Tum Tum? Really?

I guess I can kind of understand with Winston coming in next year and the Tum Tum injury is bad luck. BUT even if Tum Tum was healthy and even if he could also miraculously display his improved jump shot, MSU sill would have been starting in the hole at the PG spot. And that hole was 100% formed by the head coach. Unfortunately, now we are at the bottom of a well that has run dry.

What's funny is that you think Izzo only recruiting Tum Tum.

We get that he missed out on Waltons kid, but the problem is who he didn't recruit instead.
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Post by DWags 2016-01-18, 12:23

Blanch32 wrote:
Herbie Green wrote:What is so funny? Izzo is solely responsible for the players he gives scholarships to. I don't think it is good to have only one PG on a roster. His #1 plan was really to develop McQuaid into a backup PG behind Tum Tum? Really?

I guess I can kind of understand with Winston coming in next year and the Tum Tum injury is bad luck. BUT even if Tum Tum was healthy and even if he could also miraculously display his improved jump shot, MSU sill would have been starting in the hole at the PG spot. And that hole was 100% formed by the head coach. Unfortunately, now we are at the bottom of a well that has run dry.


This. Tum tum was a project from day 1. This isn't a shocker. Problem is izzo well balls deep here when he should have grabbed a grad transfer or JC guy at the same time to provide experience and allow us to redshirt tum. This team is built to win last year and now, not 2018.

....and if only izzo listened to cleaves and signed Monte Morris out of flint....

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Post by InTenSity 2016-01-18, 12:25

Blanch32 wrote:
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What's funny is that you think Izzo only recruiting Tum Tum.

We get that he missed out on Waltons kid, but the problem is who he didn't recruit instead.
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Post by kingstonlake 2016-01-18, 12:26

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Herbie Green wrote:What is so funny? Izzo is solely responsible for the players he gives scholarships to. I don't think it is good to have only one PG on a roster. His #1 plan was really to develop McQuaid into a backup PG behind Tum Tum? Really?

I guess I can kind of understand with Winston coming in next year and the Tum Tum injury is bad luck. BUT even if Tum Tum was healthy and even if he could also miraculously display his improved jump shot, MSU sill would have been starting in the hole at the PG spot. And that hole was 100% formed by the head coach. Unfortunately, now we are at the bottom of a well that has run dry.


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Post by Blanch32 2016-01-18, 12:37

kingstonlake wrote:
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If only someone like Denzel could play PG...

https://spartanswill.forumotion.com/t5339-i-hate-to-say-this-about-valentine?highlight=Valentine


No wonder you're pissed. You've been saving that link! Lol
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Post by Herbie Green 2016-01-18, 12:53

NigelUno wrote:
Herbie Green wrote:What is so funny? Izzo is solely responsible for the players he gives scholarships to. I don't think it is good to have only one PG on a roster. His #1 plan was really to develop McQuaid into a backup PG behind Tum Tum? Really?

I guess I can kind of understand with Winston coming in next year and the Tum Tum injury is bad luck. BUT even if Tum Tum was healthy and even if he could also miraculously display his improved jump shot, MSU sill would have been starting in the hole at the PG spot. And that hole was 100% formed by the head coach. Unfortunately, now we are at the bottom of a well that has run dry.


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You do realize that until yesterday DV had played about zero minutes without McQuaid or Tum Tum at pg?
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That 2016-01-18, 12:55

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Herbie Green wrote:What is so funny?  Izzo is solely responsible for the players he gives scholarships to.  I don't think it is good to have only one PG on a roster.  His #1 plan was really to develop McQuaid into a backup PG behind Tum Tum?  Really?

I guess I can kind of understand with Winston coming in next year and the Tum Tum injury is bad luck.  BUT even if Tum Tum was healthy and even if he could also miraculously display his improved jump shot, MSU sill would have been starting in the hole at the PG spot.  And that hole was 100% formed by the head coach. Unfortunately, now we are at the bottom of a well that has run dry.



Here's what is somewhat apparent to me...

1.  Denzel needs to run the offense.  He is an elite playmaker and needs to ball in his hands the most.  We do not have another guard that can create for other guys like him.

2.  We should go inside to Davis and Costello a decent amount.  Both are capable low post scorers.

3.  Defense needs to get fixed.  Don't know why we are having such trouble defending ball screens.  Wisky did a ball screen to generate that game winning layup.

Can't really argue with any of this. Our defense, especially with pick n rolls, has been lacking communication. Lots of open jumpers for Iowa and Wiscy.
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Post by NigelUno 2016-01-18, 12:58

Herbie Green wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

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If only someone like Denzel could play PG...

You do realize that until yesterday DV had played about zero minutes without McQuaid or Tum Tum at pg?

Please tell me you're not this stupid.
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Post by Watch Out Pylon! 2016-01-18, 13:07

Herbie Green wrote:What is so funny?  Izzo is solely responsible for the players he gives scholarships to.  I don't think it is good to have only one PG on a roster.  His #1 plan was really to develop McQuaid into a backup PG behind Tum Tum?  Really?

I guess I can kind of understand with Winston coming in next year and the Tum Tum injury is bad luck.  BUT even if Tum Tum was healthy and even if he could also miraculously display his improved jump shot, MSU sill would have been starting in the hole at the PG spot.  And that hole was 100% formed by the head coach. Unfortunately, now we are at the bottom of a well that has run dry.


My call out thread will be published tomorrow - Page 4 502811600 Are you on suicide watch after a loss? You whine more than anyone else on this board, and like a few others, only show up after losses.

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Post by Travis of the Cosmos 2016-01-18, 13:09

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Herbie Green wrote:What is so funny?  Izzo is solely responsible for the players he gives scholarships to.  I don't think it is good to have only one PG on a roster.  His #1 plan was really to develop McQuaid into a backup PG behind Tum Tum?  Really?

I guess I can kind of understand with Winston coming in next year and the Tum Tum injury is bad luck.  BUT even if Tum Tum was healthy and even if he could also miraculously display his improved jump shot, MSU sill would have been starting in the hole at the PG spot.  And that hole was 100% formed by the head coach. Unfortunately, now we are at the bottom of a well that has run dry.


My call out thread will be published tomorrow - Page 4 502811600 Are you on suicide watch after a loss? You whine more than anyone else on this board, and like a few others, only show up after losses.

In short, you suck.

You whine more than herbie does. Which is amazing because all herbie does is whine. #whiner
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Post by Herbie Green 2016-01-18, 13:12

NigelUno wrote:
Herbie Green wrote:

You do realize that until yesterday DV had played about zero minutes without McQuaid or Tum Tum at pg?

Please tell me you're not this stupid.

I guess I must be. Are you telling me Tum Tum had been playing SG the entire time so his absence won't actually change DV's role at all?
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Post by Herbie Green 2016-01-18, 13:14

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:
Herbie Green wrote:What is so funny?  Izzo is solely responsible for the players he gives scholarships to.  I don't think it is good to have only one PG on a roster.  His #1 plan was really to develop McQuaid into a backup PG behind Tum Tum?  Really?

I guess I can kind of understand with Winston coming in next year and the Tum Tum injury is bad luck.  BUT even if Tum Tum was healthy and even if he could also miraculously display his improved jump shot, MSU sill would have been starting in the hole at the PG spot.  And that hole was 100% formed by the head coach. Unfortunately, now we are at the bottom of a well that has run dry.


My call out thread will be published tomorrow - Page 4 502811600 Are you on suicide watch after a loss? You whine more than anyone else on this board, and like a few others, only show up after losses.

In short, you suck.

Seems I was offering some analysis/opinion there that might have even been partly positive. Do you have anything to offer?
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Post by Watch Out Pylon! 2016-01-18, 13:18

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

My call out thread will be published tomorrow - Page 4 502811600 Are you on suicide watch after a loss? You whine more than anyone else on this board, and like a few others, only show up after losses.

In short, you suck.

You whine more than herbie does. Which is amazing because all herbie does is whine. #whiner

And now my stalker shows up. What number am I on your murder list? Trending up or down, psycho?
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos 2016-01-18, 13:21

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You whine more than herbie does. Which is amazing because all herbie does is whine. #whiner

And now my stalker shows up. What number am I on your murder list? Trending up or down, psycho?

You aren't worth the time to murder. Could you do me, and everyone else, a favor and just off yourself? That way I don't have to deal with it.
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Post by NigelUno 2016-01-18, 13:23

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Please tell me you're not this stupid.

I guess I must be.

You must be, or you're just faking it.

So, you think that before yesterday, Denzel never played PG? So, that means Nairn was in the game or McQuaid was in the game at all times? Or McQuaid never played SG with Denzel in the game? Or Izzo never went with a lineup of Denzel, Forbes, Harris and 2 bigs?

Until yesterday...Denzel has never assumed the role of PG?

Again...please tell me you're not this stupid.

Do you watch the games?

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Post by The_Dude 2016-01-18, 13:33

NigelUno wrote:
Herbie Green wrote:

I guess I must be.

You must be, or you're just faking it.

So, you think that before yesterday, Denzel never played PG? So, that means Nairn was in the game or McQuaid was in the game at all times? Or McQuaid never played SG with Denzel in the game? Or Izzo never went with a lineup of Denzel, Forbes, Harris and 2 bigs?

Until yesterday...Denzel has never assumed the role of PG?

Again...please tell me you're not this stupid.

Do you watch the games?



Do you?
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Post by Watch Out Pylon! 2016-01-18, 13:35

The_Dude wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

You must be, or you're just faking it.

So, you think that before yesterday, Denzel never played PG?  So, that means Nairn was in the game or McQuaid was in the game at all times?  Or McQuaid never played SG with Denzel in the game?  Or Izzo never went with a lineup of Denzel, Forbes, Harris and 2 bigs?

Until yesterday...Denzel has never assumed the role of PG?  

Again...please tell me you're not this stupid.

Do you watch the games?



Do you?

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Do you?

Do you?

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Post by Watch Out Pylon! 2016-01-18, 13:39

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And now my stalker shows up. What number am I on your murder list? Trending up or down, psycho?

You aren't worth the time to murder. Could you do me, and everyone else, a favor and just off yourself? That way I don't have to deal with it.

I know you get worried when you see one of my posts. "Oh shit, how silly did Pylon make me look this time?"

My advice to you would be to step your game up. Try to make this feud at least somewhat back and forth. Right now I'm just carpet bombing you.

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Post by Blanch32 2016-01-18, 13:42

And in case anyone was wondering, I held off on my thread bc tum tum is a large part of my solution. His loss does not bold well for our FF chances if he cannot rebound back 150%. Now I am seriously worried
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos 2016-01-18, 13:44

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:
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You aren't worth the time to murder. Could you do me, and everyone else, a favor and just off yourself? That way I don't have to deal with it.

I know you get worried when you see one of my posts. "Oh shit, how silly did Pylon make me look this time?"

My advice to you would be to step your game up. Try to make this feud at least somewhat back and forth. Right now I'm just carpet bombing you.

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Post by Watch Out Pylon! 2016-01-18, 13:48

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

I know you get worried when you see one of my posts. "Oh shit, how silly did Pylon make me look this time?"

My advice to you would be to step your game up. Try to make this feud at least somewhat back and forth. Right now I'm just carpet bombing you.

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Post by duffy munn 2016-01-18, 13:50

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I'm not sure which is more funny : you believing that ANYTHING posted here has any effect on the actual games or believing that you are somehow a basketball expert.

Just for fun, please list what qualifies you as a guru on the game.

And then please fix this "abortion" of a team. Damn dude, how long do we ( and Izzo ) have to wait ?

Simple: I know hoop you do not. This answer should suffice for your simpleton reasoning exhibited throughout your posting history


So that's how you know your hoop, you just do because I don't. Damn you and your sound logic.

I know you won't answer this ( because you never do ) but how did you acquire this vast knowledge of basketball ? From your playing days ? Your coaching days ?

Please elaborate. You won't.
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Post by NigelUno 2016-01-18, 13:54

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You must be, or you're just faking it.

So, you think that before yesterday, Denzel never played PG? So, that means Nairn was in the game or McQuaid was in the game at all times? Or McQuaid never played SG with Denzel in the game? Or Izzo never went with a lineup of Denzel, Forbes, Harris and 2 bigs?

Until yesterday...Denzel has never assumed the role of PG?

Again...please tell me you're not this stupid.

Do you watch the games?



Do you?

Done with your fried chicken already?
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Post by duffy munn 2016-01-18, 13:57

Blanch32 wrote:And in case anyone was wondering, I held off on my thread bc tum tum is a large part of my solution. His loss does not bold well for our FF chances if he cannot rebound back 150%. Now I am seriously worried

Guessing you were going to move Tum Tum to the 2 so we could take advantage of his outside shooting.

Then maybe start Wolleman and use him like you wanted to use Tommy Herzog.

Or maybe Izzo and the black guy with the glasses won't play Clark because they are afraid he will play well. Making them look bad for not playing him earlier.

Am I warm ?
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Post by The_Dude 2016-01-18, 13:59

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Do you?

Done with your fried chicken already?


sweet potato pie for dessert! cheers
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Post by duffy munn 2016-01-18, 14:28

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Herbie Green wrote:What is so funny? Izzo is solely responsible for the players he gives scholarships to. I don't think it is good to have only one PG on a roster. His #1 plan was really to develop McQuaid into a backup PG behind Tum Tum? Really?

I guess I can kind of understand with Winston coming in next year and the Tum Tum injury is bad luck. BUT even if Tum Tum was healthy and even if he could also miraculously display his improved jump shot, MSU sill would have been starting in the hole at the PG spot. And that hole was 100% formed by the head coach. Unfortunately, now we are at the bottom of a well that has run dry.



Here's what is somewhat apparent to me...

1. Denzel needs to run the offense. He is an elite playmaker and needs to ball in his hands the most. We do not have another guard that can create for other guys like him.

2. We should go inside to Davis and Costello a decent amount. Both are capable low post scorers.

3. Defense needs to get fixed. Don't know why we are having such trouble defending ball screens. Wisky did a ball screen to generate that game winning layup.

1.) The offense has run through DV all year. He doesn't need to be the point guard for this to happen.

2.) We have gone inside to Costello and DD a ton

3.) agree
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Post by The_Dude 2016-01-18, 14:50

duffy munn wrote:
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Here's what is somewhat apparent to me...

1. Denzel needs to run the offense. He is an elite playmaker and needs to ball in his hands the most. We do not have another guard that can create for other guys like him.

2. We should go inside to Davis and Costello a decent amount. Both are capable low post scorers.

3. Defense needs to get fixed. Don't know why we are having such trouble defending ball screens. Wisky did a ball screen to generate that game winning layup.

1.) The offense has run through DV all year. He doesn't need to be the point guard for this to happen.

2.) We have gone inside to Costello and DD a ton

3.) agree


Have we though?
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Post by Watch Out Pylon! 2016-01-18, 14:53

The_Dude wrote:
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1.) The offense has run through DV all year. He doesn't need to be the point guard for this to happen.

2.) We have gone inside to Costello and DD a ton

3.) agree


Have we though?

We have, though.
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