Possibly the most disturbing social media age story yet

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

DWags wrote:LOL at the Dude.  Fucker is so clueless.   I'd laugh at him raising a kid.  

Fuck, he should write that book on how simple it is.  

in all seriousness, I sometimes think that kids are kind of hard-wired at birth. Sure, we can guide them in some directions here and there, instill some morals, ethics and values.. but I still think that, at times, it's like playing Russian roulette.

the theoretical part is blindingly simple. Applying the theory to real-life can be wickedly complex, as there are factors and variables beyond our control.

Yep, just teach your kid to be independent and not reliant on anyone else to meet their basic needs and that's really all you can ask for.

DWags wrote:Beyond our control is a fairly nice way of putting it. Having no clue is the way I'd describe myself as a parent. Those that think they do are laughably funny.

I won't bore you with any real life stories, but in some aspects of my daughters lives, they couldn't be more different than each other. How is that possible. You raise them the same way, you do the same things, you go to the same places and you have the same conversations. One is way more willing to wink at society's rules than the other. The other is a pretty damn straight arrow. How is that possible? I have no fucking clue.

Their environment and exclusive experiences within that environment. You only have control over so much. If you watch MSNBC or CNN all day... they'll probably be majoring in Women's Studies and dying their hair purple while screaming about evil white men. Put them in front of InfoWars as their primary news outlet and they'll make all the right choices and marry a surgeon who's only purpose in life is to make her happy.

Those are the facts, kids.

xsanguine wrote:

DWags wrote:Beyond our control is a fairly nice way of putting it. Having no clue is the way I'd describe myself as a parent. Those that think they do are laughably funny.

I won't bore you with any real life stories, but in some aspects of my daughters lives, they couldn't be more different than each other. How is that possible. You raise them the same way, you do the same things, you go to the same places and you have the same conversations. One is way more willing to wink at society's rules than the other. The other is a pretty damn straight arrow. How is that possible? I have no fucking clue.

Their environment and exclusive experiences within that environment. You only have control over so much. If you watch MSNBC or CNN all day... they'll probably be majoring in Women's Studies and dying their hair purple while screaming about evil white men. Put them in front of InfoWars as their primary news outlet and they'll make all the right choices and marry a surgeon who's only purpose in life is to make her happy.

Those are the facts, kids.

What if she wants to make herself happy?

Wait... I just thought of something.

BRB.

Rocinante wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

Their environment and exclusive experiences within that environment. You only have control over so much. If you watch MSNBC or CNN all day... they'll probably be majoring in Women's Studies and dying their hair purple while screaming about evil white men. Put them in front of InfoWars as their primary news outlet and they'll make all the right choices and marry a surgeon who's only purpose in life is to make her happy.

Those are the facts, kids.

What if she wants to make herself happy?

Wait... I just thought of something.

BRB.

Probably want to let mom handle that conversation.

DWags wrote:Beyond our control is a fairly nice way of putting it. Having no clue is the way I'd describe myself as a parent. Those that think they do are laughably funny.

I won't bore you with any real life stories, but in some aspects of my daughters lives, they couldn't be more different than each other. How is that possible. You raise them the same way, you do the same things, you go to the same places and you have the same conversations. One is way more willing to wink at society's rules than the other. The other is a pretty damn straight arrow. How is that possible? I have no fucking clue.

yeah, I wouldn't bore anyone with stories about my kid, etc - but she does okay despite the fact that I'm her Dad which, as I mentioned, just kind of reinforces my theory that a lot of it beyond our control.

The_Dude wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
in all seriousness, I sometimes think that kids are kind of hard-wired at birth. Sure, we can guide them in some directions here and there, instill some morals, ethics and values.. but I still think that, at times, it's like playing Russian roulette.

the theoretical part is blindingly simple. Applying the theory to real-life can be wickedly complex, as there are factors and variables beyond our control.

Yep, just teach your kid to be independent and not reliant on anyone else to meet their basic needs and that's really all you can ask for.

yep - and that makes her a proud Democrat.

Hell, I'm the conservative one in the house.

xsanguine wrote:

DWags wrote:Beyond our control is a fairly nice way of putting it. Having no clue is the way I'd describe myself as a parent. Those that think they do are laughably funny.

I won't bore you with any real life stories, but in some aspects of my daughters lives, they couldn't be more different than each other. How is that possible. You raise them the same way, you do the same things, you go to the same places and you have the same conversations. One is way more willing to wink at society's rules than the other. The other is a pretty damn straight arrow. How is that possible? I have no fucking clue.

Their environment and exclusive experiences within that environment. You only have control over so much. If you watch MSNBC or CNN all day... they'll probably be majoring in Women's Studies and dying their hair purple while screaming about evil white men. Put them in front of InfoWars as their primary news outlet and they'll make all the right choices and marry a surgeon who's only purpose in life is to make her happy.

Those are the facts, kids.

that's definitely the route we're taking with the kid.. it's gonna be country clubs, golf, trips Up North for her.. she really enjoys those sorts of things.

Dude, could you go over how one teaches their kids to be independent? Are there drills at home, do you have words that do that? Does playing travel soccer help? How about competitive dance, will that do it? What exactly will be in your book of instructions on how to raise the perfect kid.

DWags wrote:Dude, could you go over how one teaches their kids to be independent? Are there drills at home, do you have words that do that? Does playing travel soccer help? How about competitive dance, will that do it? What exactly will be in your book of instructions on how to raise the perfect kid.

All of those things are dependent on a coach dwags. Lol. Think man, think. INdependent.

Maybe just shove them out the door each day and say "figure it out"???

Whatever you did, Wags. It was the right thing.

DWags wrote:Maybe just shove them out the door each day and say "figure it out"???

I gave my daughter a bible at the age of 2.

in terms of encouraging independence, it was the best decision I've ever made.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

Their environment and exclusive experiences within that environment. You only have control over so much. If you watch MSNBC or CNN all day... they'll probably be majoring in Women's Studies and dying their hair purple while screaming about evil white men. Put them in front of InfoWars as their primary news outlet and they'll make all the right choices and marry a surgeon who's only purpose in life is to make her happy.

Those are the facts, kids.

that's definitely the route we're taking with the kid.. it's gonna be country clubs, golf, trips Up North for her.. she really enjoys those sorts of things.

Or she could get married to Ryan Adams and get cheated on and verbally abused.

But those are the only two choices. Surgeon or rock star. Everything else is a failure as a parent.

DWags wrote:Maybe just shove them out the door each day and say "figure it out"???

Better.

xsanguine wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:that's definitely the route we're taking with the kid.. it's gonna be country clubs, golf, trips Up North for her.. she really enjoys those sorts of things.

Or she could get married to Ryan Adams and get cheated on and verbally abused.

But those are the only two choices. Surgeon or rock star. Everything else is a failure as a parent.

meh - she needs to be toughened up some.

plus, with a surgeon I'd have to sit around and think of things to talk about. That would suck.

Roc, They're 19 and 15. I don't remember a week I haven't woke up in cold sweats. Both can be very cool, both can be very exasperating. Both have made me laugh, both have made me walk out of the conversation.

Somebody tell me how I can tell if I've been successful as a father so far. Is there a rubric somebody has that will let me judge? I really want to take it home and score my wife. I'll present it to her at the table tonight. I'll report back to you guys what she thinks she can do better.

I look forward to seeing this rubric.

Dude's rubric will say "Indepednet---yes or no?" Btw, what the fuck does that even mean?

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

Or she could get married to Ryan Adams and get cheated on and verbally abused.

But those are the only two choices. Surgeon or rock star. Everything else is a failure as a parent.

meh - she needs to be toughened up some.

plus, with a surgeon I'd have to sit around and think of things to talk about. That would suck.

That's true... Kids are soft these days.

I mean, you're married to Ryan Adams... Take a few cons with that pro... What, you thought it'd be all candy canes and lollipops? So he bangs a few broads on the road... Get ova it, sweethaaawt!

DWags wrote:Roc, They're 19 and 15. I don't remember a week I haven't woke up in cold sweats. Both can be very cool, both can be very exasperating. Both have made me laugh, both have made me walk out of the conversation.

Somebody tell me how I can tell if I've been successful as a father so far. Is there a rubric somebody has that will let me judge? I really want to take it home and score my wife. I'll present it to her at the table tonight. I'll report back to you guys what she thinks she can do better.

I look forward to seeing this rubric.

Dude's rubric will say "Indepednet---yes or no?" Btw, what the fuck does that even mean?

Indepednet is not a word, Dwags.

xsanguine wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: meh - she needs to be toughened up some.

plus, with a surgeon I'd have to sit around and think of things to talk about. That would suck.

That's true... Kids are soft these days.

I mean, you're married to Ryan Adams... Take a few cons with that pro... What, you thought it'd be all candy canes and lollipops? So he bangs a few broads on the road... Get ova it, sweethaaawt!

yep - like I said, she could be married to some twerp who just provides her with golf course memberships, SUV's and pats her on the head, expecting her to "behave".

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

That's true... Kids are soft these days.

I mean, you're married to Ryan Adams... Take a few cons with that pro... What, you thought it'd be all candy canes and lollipops? So he bangs a few broads on the road... Get ova it, sweethaaawt!

yep - like I said, she could be married to some twerp who just provides her with golf course memberships, SUV's and pats her on the head, expecting her to "behave".

What if she brought Kanye West home?

It's my word Roc, and it was thought up independently by me.

Here you guys go. Post this on the fridge. Nothing more to it.

http://ped.state.nm.us/Parents/dl09/TenTipsForSuccessfulParenting.pdf

xsanguine wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
yep - like I said, she could be married to some twerp who just provides her with golf course memberships, SUV's and pats her on the head, expecting her to "behave".

What if she brought Kanye West home?

I know nothing about him other than I've heard the name.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

What if she brought Kanye West home?

I know nothing about him other than I've heard the name.

Curveball...

What if she brought home KD Lang?

The_Dude wrote:

Rocinante wrote:

Periscoping a rape is ultra pc?

No, not this specific incident. Just how un-independent kids in their teens and 20s are today.

Sorry, Mrs. Palin, that's not a word. Did you mean dependent?

Bob, am I going to far? I don't have a daughter yet so I may just be lipping off about something I shouldn't be and don't realize it yet.

xsanguine wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I know nothing about him other than I've heard the name.

Curveball...

What if she brought home KD Lang?

she's a good musician and talented songwriter. Seems to be a nice lady. I'm cool with it.

(minus the 35+ year age gap)

xsanguine wrote:Bob, am I going to far? I don't have a daughter yet so I may just be lipping off about something I shouldn't be and don't realize it yet.

no, man.. I appreciate your sensitivities to the matter, though. It's not like you're going all For bin on me, or something.

Rocinante wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

Their environment and exclusive experiences within that environment. You only have control over so much. If you watch MSNBC or CNN all day... they'll probably be majoring in Women's Studies and dying their hair purple while screaming about evil white men. Put them in front of InfoWars as their primary news outlet and they'll make all the right choices and marry a surgeon who's only purpose in life is to make her happy.

Those are the facts, kids.

What if she wants to make herself happy?

Wait... I just thought of something.

BRB.

GTFO of here with that hippy dippy bullshit.

DWags wrote:It's my word Roc, and it was thought up indepednetly by me.

Fixed.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

Curveball...

What if she brought home KD Lang?

she's a good musician and talented songwriter. Seems to be a nice lady. I'm cool with it.

(minus the 35+ year age gap)

Double curveball...

What if she brought KD Lang













And Ellen home?

xsanguine wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:she's a good musician and talented songwriter. Seems to be a nice lady. I'm cool with it.

(minus the 35+ year age gap)

Double curveball...

What if she brought KD Lang













And Ellen home?

they seem like nice folks. I like Ellen.. she's funny.

I like Ellen too. She seems to know how to dance.

I was just reading about Liam Gallagher and didn't realize the momo has 4 kids from four different women... Two from affairs.

Kinda relevant since we were talking about Adams.

xsanguine wrote:I like Ellen too. She seems to know how to dance.

I was just reading about Liam Gallagher and didn't realize the momo has 4 kids from four different women... Two from affairs.

Kinda relevant since we were talking about Adams.

yikes.

yeah.. there's the old saying that's true in almost every facet of life - "trust the art, not the artist".. I suspect most of us don't really want to get to know our heroes. Or at least we'd better think twice.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

The_Dude wrote:


Yep, just teach your kid to be independent and not reliant on anyone else to meet their basic needs and that's really all you can ask for.

yep - and that makes her a proud Democrat.

Hell, I'm the conservative one in the house.

Dem, R, green party, tea party...it doesn't matter. Raising an independent child knows no party lines.

The_Dude wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:yep - and that makes her a proud Democrat.

Hell, I'm the conservative one in the house.

Dem, R, green party, tea party...it doesn't matter. Raising an independent child knows no party lines.

I can agree with that..

she's a great American.. she won't be a damn fine Spartan, though. But she's still a great American.

DWags wrote:Dude, could you go over how one teaches their kids to be independent?     Are there drills at home, do you have words that do that?   Does playing travel soccer help?  How about competitive dance, will that do it?   What exactly will be in your book of instructions on how to raise the perfect kid.  

For starters, making sure they major in something that can actually land them a job and making sure they start working whenever they can.  Teaches them the value of a dollar too.  Not crazy concepts.

I started carrying golf bags t the local country club when I was in 5th grade. Had more money in savings when I went off to college than the average 35 year old lol.

DWags wrote:Maybe just shove them out the door each day and say "figure it out"???

If they are well into their 20s and free loading at home?

Yep

Dude, as soon as you say "I did this......." my full of shit meter goes off. And you sir, are full of shit.

I did this, I did that, it's the best way to do things. Fuck, and undergrad degree can be history of art if you want it to be. This world isn't cookie cutter. You want kids to be "independent" but they HAVE TO have a major that counts. Do you see any hypocrisy in that statement? Becasue you don't see how to make it in the world with certain majors doesn't mean they don't exist. Matter of fact, a true independent thinker probably knows that.

The_Dude wrote:

DWags wrote:Dude, could you go over how one teaches their kids to be independent?     Are there drills at home, do you have words that do that?   Does playing travel soccer help?  How about competitive dance, will that do it?   What exactly will be in your book of instructions on how to raise the perfect kid.  

For starters, making sure they major in something that can actually land them a job and making sure they start working whenever they can.  Teaches them the value of a dollar too.  Not crazy concepts.

I started carrying golf bags t the local country club when I was in 5th grade. Had more money in savings when I went off to college than the average 35 year old lol.

so you encourage them to be "independent" by "making sure they major" in what you want them to?