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NigelUno wrote:

xsanguine wrote:Maybe. Hard to tell when they won't even indicate what was said. It's anybody's guess. Could have said "I voted for trumpety trump because I don't like illegals mooching off the system." That would seem to qualify as "racist" nowadays. Please share if you have more information than the link you provided has.

I doubt she said anything. It was probably all made up. False flag. Propaganda. Leftists. Illegal aliens. Moochers.

How am I doing? Good?

xsanguine wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

I doubt she said anything. It was probably all made up. False flag. Propaganda. Leftists. Illegal aliens. Moochers.

How am I doing? Good?

Uh huh. What did she say?

NigelUno wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

Wags? How many Republicans/Conservatives were in the streets rioting when Romney or McCain lost? Someone find me some pictures of the streets gone wild in '08 or '12???

If Obama mentioned deporting people and penalizing women for getting abortions in his campaign, there may have been some protests after he was elected.

xsanguine wrote:Assume when it suits your purposes, Nigel. You're our buttercup angel either way.

xsanguine wrote:Assume when it suits your purposes, Nigel. You're our buttercup angel either way.

LooseGoose wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

If Obama mentioned deporting people and penalizing women for getting abortions in his campaign, there may have been some protests after he was elected.

He may not have mentioned deporting people but he did it....where the hell are the protesters? Sort of like how the antiWar Leftists vanished after he was sworn in. The protested during the entire Bush presidency and not a damned thing with Obama.

GRR Spartan wrote:It appears Goose was bothered by the Obama presidency since November '08 and there was a helluva lot of pent up rage.

I think a lot of people who call themselves conservatives or have political leaning in that directionhave been crying about unequal and unfair treatment for so long they can't break the habit although they will be controlling the White House, House and Senate for the first time since 1928.

LooseGoose wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:It appears Goose was bothered by the Obama presidency since November '08 and there was a helluva lot of pent up rage.

I think a lot of people who call themselves conservatives or have political leaning in that directionhave been crying about unequal and unfair treatment for so long they can't break the habit although they will be controlling the White House, House and Senate for the first time since 1928.

More incorrect information spread by the Press that GRR swallows without fact checking them.

During the Bush II** Presidency - The R's were in the Majority in the House - from Bush's inauguration to Jan '07 and the Majority in the Senate from Jan-Jun of '01 & from Jan '03 - Jan '07.

I heard that shit too and knew it wasn't true.   I've heard it parroted over and over by people that consider themselves well informed but actually are just brainwashed by the liberal press.



**I do admit that judged by his spending habits BushII was more of a Dem.

DWags wrote:Didn't he need the republicans house approval to spend that money?

LooseGoose wrote:

DWags wrote:Didn't he need the republicans house approval to spend that money?

Yep, One reason I call myself a Conservative and not a Republican. They spent like drunken sailors, got us into 2 wars we didn't need and it fucked the whole country up. The spending hasn't slowed down since and the wars haven't much either.

GRR Spartan wrote:I see this election as a return to the Gilded Age and your small town rural neighbors and mine who think they voted for change have fucked themselves more than they will ever realize.

They haven't figured out that Trump/Ryan's tax cuts will gut many programs they rely on from WIC cards for their unmarried daughters and grandchildren to reducing government shifting everything from Social Security to Dept of The Interior to the private sector. Forget about an individual being successful suing anyone with assets or a corporation.

GRR Spartan wrote:You got a bunker too?

I think we have elected a man who learned his legal expertise from Roy Cohn, Tail Gunner Joe McCarthy's legal counsel. Trump will be naming who runs the DOJ and he'll be stacking the deck for his family's holdings and appointing Federal judges who favor arbitration and require individual law suits.

You see this as a great victory for the little guy.

I see this election as a return to the Gilded Age and your small town rural neighbors and mine who think they voted for change have fucked themselves more than they will ever realize.

They haven't figured out that Trump/Ryan's tax cuts will gut many programs they rely on from WIC cards for their unmarried daughters and grandchildren to reducing government shifting everything from Social Security to Dept of The Interior to the private sector. Forget about an individual being successful suing anyone with assets or a corporation.

LooseGoose wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:I see this election as a return to the Gilded Age and your small town rural neighbors and mine who think they voted for change have fucked themselves more than they will ever realize.

They haven't figured out that Trump/Ryan's tax cuts will gut many programs they rely on from WIC cards for their unmarried daughters and grandchildren to reducing government shifting everything from Social Security to Dept of The Interior to the private sector. Forget about an individual being successful suing anyone with assets or a corporation.

LOL....like they were getting a great deal the last 8 years. You realize that under Obama the top % has concentrated even more wealth? The very thing that Dems are supposedly against.

Keep it up with the snob shit about wic cards and unmarried daughters too, that kind of shit plays right into Trump's hands.

My 3 kids are all in their mid to late 20s, all gainfully employed, all own their own homes, one of them free and clear, none of them in excessive debt, WIC or any of your other shit.....and guess what? ALL of them voted Trump because they HATE the snobs that come up here looking at them just like your post. That they're all welfare sucking stupid asses. Did they vote for him because they especially like him? Nope - it was more of a fuck you to the attitudes they see almost daily from as they call them "city people". I'm not that bitter because I don't interact with outsiders daily at work like they do so I guess I'm kind of insulated except that I certainly see that attitude here from you and Bob.

Any question on why the rural counties went 70%-30% Trump can be answered in that kind of attitude spread all over the country.

NigelUno wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

LOL....like they were getting a great deal the last 8 years.   You realize that under Obama the top % has concentrated even more wealth?   The very thing that Dems are supposedly against.  

Keep it up with the snob shit about wic cards and unmarried daughters too, that kind of shit plays right into Trump's hands.

My 3 kids are all in their mid to late 20s, all gainfully employed, all own their own homes, one of them free and clear, none of them in excessive debt, WIC or any of your other shit.....and guess what?   ALL of them voted Trump because they HATE the snobs that come up here looking at them just like your post.   That they're all welfare sucking stupid asses.  Did they vote for him because they especially like him?   Nope - it was more of a fuck you to the attitudes they see almost daily from as they call them "city people".    I'm not that bitter because I don't interact with outsiders daily at work like they do so I guess I'm kind of insulated except that I certainly see that attitude here from you and Bob.

Any question on why the rural counties went 70%-30% Trump can be answered in that kind of attitude spread all over the country.

I guess I don't see the direct correlation between snobs from the city (seemingly) insulting your kids, and them voting for Trump.

It doesn't really seem like a good reason.  I (still) think you're just saying shit like that to take (not so subtle) digs at BobbySak.    

GRR Spartan wrote:
They haven't figured out that Trump/Ryan's tax cuts will gut many programs they rely on from WIC cards for their unmarried daughters and grandchildren to reducing government shifting everything from Social Security to Dept of The Interior to the private sector

Making sense of this presidential election requires figuring out what happened in rural places across the country. This is especially true in the upper Midwest, where there were sharp swings toward Donald Trump that helped produce surprising victories in states such as my home state of Wisconsin.

So what is going on here? A crucial part of the story is what I call “the politics of resentment” — a feature of the rural Midwest that has been brewing for years. It clearly anticipates what happened on the national stage in Tuesday’s election.

Since May 2007, I have been studying this resentment by inviting myself into the conversations of people in dozens of communities across Wisconsin. Groups of regulars in gas stations, diners, churches and other gathering spots have allowed me to listen as they visited with one another. The typical person in these groups was a white, older male, but not exclusively so.

I had not intended to study a rural-urban divide when I sampled the 27 places I had been visiting. But about a year into this project, one thing was inescapable: people in these small communities and rural places deeply resented the two main metropolitan areas of Madison, the state capital, and Milwaukee. I grew up on the northern edge of the Milwaukee metro region, but the depth and the intensity of this resentment surprised me.

LooseGoose wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

I guess I don't see the direct correlation between snobs from the city (seemingly) insulting your kids, and them voting for Trump.

It doesn't really seem like a good reason.  I (still) think you're just saying shit like that to take (not so subtle) digs at BobbySak.    

If you can't see the correlation you're not looking.  

I see it from my kids but it's all over.  As I've repeated many times already many, many rural counties went 70-30 for Trump both and in WI.   In fact across the midwest this happened.

They're tired of their "betters" insulting them and telling them what's good for them.  And it's not just Bob, it's a wide group of people, re-read GRR's post there - it tells you what he thinks of the rural populace.

GRR Spartan wrote:
They haven't figured out that Trump/Ryan's tax cuts will gut many programs they rely on from WIC cards for their unmarried daughters and grandchildren to reducing government shifting everything from Social Security to Dept of The Interior to the private sector

Yep - he sure respects them.   None of that shit happens in the cities.

NigelUno wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

If you can't see the correlation you're not looking.  

I see it from my kids but it's all over.  As I've repeated many times already many, many rural counties went 70-30 for Trump both and in WI.   In fact across the midwest this happened.

They're tired of their "betters" insulting them and telling them what's good for them.  And it's not just Bob, it's a wide group of people, re-read GRR's post there - it tells you what he thinks of the rural populace.



Yep - he sure respects them.   None of that shit happens in the cities.

So, the "snobs" from the city all supported Hillary while they were insulting your kids...and that's why they voted for Trump?

Got it. Thanks.

Just curious...if Trump just casually showed up in Mio before he ran for President, would he have been a city "snob"? Try to answer that one honestly.

Ms. Kutzera is part of a demographic wave that is beginning to transform small-city life in parts of the Midwest. They are young, ambitious entrepreneurs with millennial values who see an opportunity for a good life they can’t afford elsewhere. Around here, you can buy a modest house for $100,000. You can raise your kids in safe, leafy green neighbourhoods. You can find a good job, or create one. You can do business remotely on the Internet. So, people are moving in from more expensive places – and, in many cases, coming home.

“These people are my people,” Ms. Kutzera says. Like many folks around here, she is descended from grandparents who were migrants from coal country in Kentucky – proud, independent, stubborn. “People around here are religious and hard-working. We have a history of hard times. It made us tough, in a good way.”

Ms. Kutzera is no Trump voter. She’s a Bernie Sanders fan. But she, too, thinks the system is broken. And she thinks Trump supporters get a bad rap.

“The characterization of Trump voters is off-base and unfair,” she says. “These people are my cousins and my neighbours, and I can tell you they don’t care that I’m gay. They don’t care that I have a wife. And I don’t care about their guns. All my friends and family have handguns and stuff like that. But I’ve never wanted to take anybody’s guns away, and they don’t want to take away my right to be who I am.”

Guns and gays – “That’s something the media have decided we should argue about.”

As for racism, she says, “Republicans are no more racist than the Democrats around here.”

LooseGoose wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

So, the "snobs" from the city all supported Hillary while they were insulting your kids...and that's why they voted for Trump?

Got it. Thanks.

Just curious...if Trump just casually showed up in Mio before he ran for President, would he have been a city "snob"? Try to answer that one honestly.

He may have been, but he was in Mio and asking for their votes. That's more than a Dem has ever done.

You realize that Hills took WI completely for granted even though it's been competitive for the last 4 cycles? She never campaigned there and spent more ad $$ in Omaha, NE than she did in all of WI. Stupid.

Another article on the smaller town Trump voter:

Trump voters deserve respect. Here’s why In Middletown, Ohio, Margaret Wente sees a more complicated picture of the Trump voter base than stereotypes about the uneducated and economically downtrodden

Ms. Kutzera is part of a demographic wave that is beginning to transform small-city life in parts of the Midwest. They are young, ambitious entrepreneurs with millennial values who see an opportunity for a good life they can’t afford elsewhere. Around here, you can buy a modest house for $100,000. You can raise your kids in safe, leafy green neighbourhoods. You can find a good job, or create one. You can do business remotely on the Internet. So, people are moving in from more expensive places – and, in many cases, coming home.

“These people are my people,” Ms. Kutzera says. Like many folks around here, she is descended from grandparents who were migrants from coal country in Kentucky – proud, independent, stubborn. “People around here are religious and hard-working. We have a history of hard times. It made us tough, in a good way.”

Ms. Kutzera is no Trump voter. She’s a Bernie Sanders fan. But she, too, thinks the system is broken. And she thinks Trump supporters get a bad rap.

“The characterization of Trump voters is off-base and unfair,” she says. “These people are my cousins and my neighbours, and I can tell you they don’t care that I’m gay. They don’t care that I have a wife. And I don’t care about their guns. All my friends and family have handguns and stuff like that. But I’ve never wanted to take anybody’s guns away, and they don’t want to take away my right to be who I am.”

Guns and gays – “That’s something the media have decided we should argue about.”

As for racism, she says, “Republicans are no more racist than the Democrats around here.”

NigelUno wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

He may have been, but he was in Mio and asking for their votes. That's more than a Dem has ever done.

You realize that Hills took WI completely for granted even though it's been competitive for the last 4 cycles? She never campaigned there and spent more ad $$ in Omaha, NE than she did in all of WI. Stupid.

Another article on the smaller town Trump voter:

Trump voters deserve respect. Here’s why In Middletown, Ohio, Margaret Wente sees a more complicated picture of the Trump voter base than stereotypes about the uneducated and economically downtrodden

Weird. You didn't really answer my question.

I'm sorry city slickers come into your town and insult your kids. Sounds horrible.

xsanguine wrote:I think Nigel just wants to fight (something I know a lot about)... I'm not sure what he's trying to discredit.

xsanguine wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

Weird. You didn't really answer my question.

I'm sorry city slickers come into your town and insult your kids. Sounds horrible.

Asks for a clarification, then turns heel and thinks the poster is complaining.

NigelUno wrote:

xsanguine wrote:I think Nigel just wants to fight (something I know a lot about)... I'm not sure what he's trying to discredit.

City slickers/snobs come into small town Michigan and insult the locals.

And somehow identify themselves as Hillary supporters and/or evil Democratic politicians? Thus causing Goose's kids to vote for Trump (even though Goose said Trump was an "asshole".)

Sounds believable. Carry on.

NigelUno wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

Asks for a clarification, then turns heel and thinks the poster is complaining.

I asked a question...which was dodged. Sorry you're not following along. Maybe you could use one of those bouncing ball things.

xsanguine wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

City slickers/snobs come into small town Michigan and insult the locals.

And somehow identify themselves as Hillary supporters and/or evil Democratic politicians? Thus causing Goose's kids to vote for Trump (even though Goose said Trump was an "asshole".)

Sounds believable. Carry on.

I've been a city boy all my life. I see what he's saying. They do look down on them and their opinions don't mean anything because the assumption is they're dumb bumpkins that can't put two sentences together.

NigelUno wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

I've been a city boy all my life. I see what he's saying. They do look down on them and their opinions don't mean anything because the assumption is they're dumb bumpkins that can't put two sentences together.

So...the city slickers/snobs are all Democrats and/or Hillary supporters? And by voting for Trump, the city slickers/snobs won't come into Mio and insult his kids any more?

Should I put a laughing smiley here? Or are we good?

xsanguine wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

So...the city slickers/snobs are all Democrats and/or Hillary supporters? And by voting for Trump, the city slickers/snobs won't come into Mio and insult his kids any more?

Should I put a laughing smiley here? Or are we good?

I don't think LG thinks the city folk are going to feel differently about rural Americans just because Trump is president. But more so as a protest against an establishment candidate in Hillary R. Clinton.

You should probably put in the laughing smiley, though. That's usually your strongest point.

xsanguine wrote:When Bob arrives it's my favorite part of the day.

You still didn't answer my question about the bouncing balls. Why are you dodging the question? What are you avoiding, Nigel?

LooseGoose wrote:Arguing with Nigel is fruitless....I have no idea what question I'm "dodging".

He doesn't want to accept that his gal lost. And why she did. That's pretty normal it seems for the Dems. They've convinced themselves that the party which now will hold the US House, the US Senate, the Presidency and a large majority of Statewide offices in the nation is a "rump" party and soon to be a minority party. They've been peddling that snake oil for 15 years and people still buy it.

LooseGoose wrote:Arguing with Nigel is fruitless....I have no idea what question I'm "dodging".

He doesn't want to accept that his gal lost. And why she did. That's pretty normal it seems for the Dems. They've convinced themselves that the party which now will hold the US House, the US Senate, the Presidency and a large majority of Statewide offices in the nation is a "rump" party and soon to be a minority party. They've been peddling that snake oil for 15 years and people still buy it.

NigelUno wrote:So, the "snobs" from the city all supported Hillary while they were insulting your kids...and that's why they voted for Trump?

NigelUno wrote:City slickers/snobs come into small town Michigan and insult the locals.

And somehow identify themselves as Hillary supporters and/or evil Democratic politicians? Thus causing Goose's kids to vote for Trump (even though Goose said Trump was an "asshole".)

Sounds believable. Carry on.