Abortion - Societal accepted Eugenics

Cameron wrote:I mean, he's partly right: almost everyone DOES agree that executing a baby after it's born is unacceptable.

What I don't understand is that there are people that seriously believe that there are liberals somewhere in the US executing newborn babies, and they are just sitting in their homes getting mad on Twitter about it. Seems like an under reaction to infanticide if you ask me.

Cameron wrote:I mean, he's partly right: almost everyone DOES agree that executing a baby after it's born is unacceptable.

What I don't understand is that there are people that seriously believe that there are liberals somewhere in the US executing newborn babies, and they are just sitting in their homes getting mad on Twitter about it. Seems like an under reaction to infanticide if you ask me.

Floyd Robertson wrote:

Cameron wrote:I mean, he's partly right: almost everyone DOES agree that executing a baby after it's born is unacceptable.

What I don't understand is that there are people that seriously believe that there are liberals somewhere in the US executing newborn babies, and they are just sitting in their homes getting mad on Twitter about it. Seems like an under reaction to infanticide if you ask me.

They should be raiding that pizza parlor in NJ where this all happens.

DWags wrote:

Zurn wrote:Killing a baby the day after it is born.  Murder.
Killing a baby the day before it is to be born.   Health care.

I need you to be careful here RQA.  What percentage of abortions happen third trimester?  Of those, what percentage happen during the last week.

Let’s talk actual numbers. Then, if those minuscule numbers let’s find out how many are done to save the life of the mother, or the child has no heart beat, or as you and the right wing imply for the idiots who buy it: how many women carry their baby for 9 months, do the morning sickness, get the stretch marks, walk around and live uncomfortably for 300 days, and then decide, “know what, let’s not do this, fuck it”. Because RQA, that’s what the right wants us to believe happens frequently. Your side bases everything of fear and falsehoods.  They do it with immigrants also. 1000 come in work for little wage do great things, and one commits a horrible crime, so they’re all murders and rapists.

Unfortunately RQA, this isn’t Wells Hall, where you’ll have 50 people jump in and agree with your point blindly.  Most people here are logical and understand numbers..  We’ve let you on this board because you’re not acting crazy like you did on Wells Hall, but we’d appreciate it. If you gave us those numbers I’ve asked for..  I believe traveling man has established a precedent of asking if you could just give us those numbers that you’re talking about.  

I look forward to debating that information about late term abortions, especially those abortions that happen on the last day of pregnancy. Also, if you could add the reasons why they happen.


Thanks in advance.

DWags post # 157 

I need you to be careful here RQA.  What percentage of abortions happen third trimester?  Of those, what percentage happen during the last week.

find out how many are done to save the life of the mother, or the child has no heart beat

Zurn wrote:

DWags post # 157 

Much to unpack there, but let me start with just a couple of things.  My apologies in advance if you think I have chopped your post inaccurately, it wasn't intentional.  

I need you to be careful here RQA.  What percentage of abortions happen third trimester?  Of those, what percentage happen during the last week.

DWags,  before we get into the numbers we need to establish some moral clarity.   If it is wrong to abort a fully developed and viable infant one day before the EDC, than it remains morally wrong whether it happens to 1 infant or 10,000 infants.    So what is your view on this?  

find out how many are done to save the life of the mother, or the child has no heart beat

An abortion is never needed in the third trimester to save the life of a mother.  Never.  Yes, sometimes a pregnancy needs to end for the health of the mother, but that doesn't require abortion.

Zurn wrote:

DWags post # 157 

Much to unpack there, but let me start with just a couple of things.  My apologies in advance if you think I have chopped your post inaccurately, it wasn't intentional.  

I need you to be careful here RQA.  What percentage of abortions happen third trimester?  Of those, what percentage happen during the last week.

DWags,  before we get into the numbers we need to establish some moral clarity.   If it is wrong to abort a fully developed and viable infant one day before the EDC, than it remains morally wrong whether it happens to 1 infant or 10,000 infants.    So what is your view on this?  

find out how many are done to save the life of the mother, or the child has no heart beat

An abortion is never needed in the third trimester to save the life of a mother.  Never.  Yes, sometimes a pregnancy needs to end for the health of the mother, but that doesn't require abortion.  If the infant has died in utero ("no heart beat") terminating the pregnancy isn't the deliberate taking of a life

PHOENIX — The Arizona Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that a 160-year-old near-total abortion ban still on the books in the state is enforceable, a bombshell decision that adds the state to the growing lists of places where abortion care is effectively banned.

The ruling allows an 1864 law in Arizona to stand that made abortion a felony punishable by two to five years in prison for anyone who performs one or helps a woman obtain one.

DWags wrote:

Zurn wrote:

Much to unpack there, but let me start with just a couple of things.  My apologies in advance if you think I have chopped your post inaccurately, it wasn't intentional.  


DWags,  before we get into the numbers we need to establish some moral clarity.   If it is wrong to abort a fully developed and viable infant one day before the EDC, than it remains morally wrong whether it happens to 1 infant or 10,000 infants.    So what is your view on this?  



An abortion is never needed in the third trimester to save the life of a mother.  Never.  Yes, sometimes a pregnancy needs to end for the health of the mother, but that doesn't require abortion.  If the infant has died in utero ("no heart beat") terminating the pregnancy isn't the deliberate taking of a life

Please provide numbers. I think that’s about as fair as can be. I’ll let you provide them. You post and continue posting like this is a very common thing. Your side uses it to gin up people who are easily fooled, even lying about “post birth abortions”. The problem with that is we then are given absurd laws like the civil war abortion law in Arizona preceded by republicans praying IN TONGUES on the legislative floor the day before the ruling. This is insanity that is brought on by lies.

So, please let us have those numbers. Let’s see percentage wise if they come close to the percentage of people we wrongfully execute on death row, and then let’s see if the right wing governors use that same energy to stop death penalties.

This is post sane society insanity

Speaking in tongues on a legislative floor
Allowing innocent people to be executed as part of their racism
Taking women’s rights away from them and sending laws back to 1864
Allowing rapists to choose the mother of their child. (Absolute fact in some states)

I can’t believe I live in a society like this.

I’ll wait for those numbers RQA. Thanks in advance.

TravelinMan wrote:Insert the "I don't know and I'm too afraid to ask" meme, but is Zurn really RQA or is this just more of the same lame accusations stuff?  Genuinely curious.

TravelinMan wrote:Insert the "I don't know and I'm too afraid to ask" meme, but is Zurn really RQA or is this just more of the same lame accusations stuff? Genuinely curious.

DWags wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:Insert the "I don't know and I'm too afraid to ask" meme, but is Zurn really RQA or is this just more of the same lame accusations stuff? Genuinely curious.

Why don’t you directly ask Zurn, see what he says. Start a thread. I’d love to see his answer

TravelinMan wrote:

DWags wrote:

Why don’t you directly ask Zurn, see what he says. Start a thread. I’d love to see his answer

Do we have a "thoughts that don't warrant their own thread" thread?

DWags wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Do we have a "thoughts that don't warrant their own thread" thread?  

Do you know what would be the most ironic thing in the world? It would be beyond ironic if somebody was on this message board lying about their screen name, and who they are, just like all these right wing Christian Republicans constantly lie about who they really are. And it would be more ironic if they actually believed. They were fooling everybody when in reality they’re only fooling themselves and people like them.  How ironic would that be?

DWags wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Do we have a "thoughts that don't warrant their own thread" thread?

Do you know what would be the most ironic thing in the world? It would be beyond ironic if somebody was on this message board lying about their screen name, and who they are, just like all these right wing Christian Republicans constantly lie about who they really are. And it would be more ironic if they actually believed. They were fooling everybody when in reality they’re only fooling themselves and people like them. How ironic would that be?

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

DWags wrote:

Do you know what would be the most ironic thing in the world? It would be beyond ironic if somebody was on this message board lying about their screen name, and who they are, just like all these right wing Christian Republicans constantly lie about who they really are. And it would be more ironic if they actually believed. They were fooling everybody when in reality they’re only fooling themselves and people like them.  How ironic would that be?

my favorite is when the republican/libertarian types come here to insist how much they hate the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator and convicted rapist.. yet they spend their entire time on the message board parroting his talking points as if they were his campaign manager... up to the point of denouncing the courts, the US judicial system and the Constitution just because they are the last entity available holding their christian hero accountable.

TravelinMan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
my favorite is when the republican/libertarian types come here to insist how much they hate the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator and convicted rapist.. yet they spend their entire time on the message board parroting his talking points as if they were his campaign manager... up to the point of denouncing the courts, the US judicial system and the Constitution just because they are the last entity available holding their christian hero accountable.  

My favorite is when someone agrees with you like 80-90% but gets deemed an enemy for daring to question the last 10% of the ideology.  But your point is good, too.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

My favorite is when someone agrees with you like 80-90% but gets deemed an enemy for daring to question the last 10% of the ideology.  But your point is good, too.

yeah, I don't mind calling people out. If it hurts their feelings, that's something they can work through.

this is no place for fragile snowflakes.

TravelinMan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
my favorite is when the republican/libertarian types come here to insist how much they hate the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator and convicted rapist.. yet they spend their entire time on the message board parroting his talking points as if they were his campaign manager... up to the point of denouncing the courts, the US judicial system and the Constitution just because they are the last entity available holding their christian hero accountable.

My favorite is when someone agrees with you like 80-90% but gets deemed an enemy for daring to question the last 10% of the ideology. But your point is good, too.

Rick Saunders wrote:For the record...Richard Saunders is really Benjamin Franklin. You can look it up.

DWags wrote:

Rick Saunders wrote:For the record...Richard Saunders is really Benjamin Franklin. You can look it up.

Glad you aren’t Blanche.

AP wrote:An effort to enshrine the right to abortion in the Maine Constitution appears to have failed after a vote to send the proposal to voters for ratification fell short in the House.

Hours after a court ruling set the stage for a near-total ban on abortions in Arizona, the Maine House voted 75-65 Tuesday night in favor of the amendment — but it fell short of the necessary two-thirds majority.

Maine already has one of the nation’s least restrictive abortion laws. The amendment was an effort to head off any future legislative debate on the issue

TravelinMan wrote:Insert the "I don't know and I'm too afraid to ask" meme, but is Zurn really RQA or is this just more of the same lame accusations stuff? Genuinely curious.

TravelinMan wrote:

DWags wrote:

Do you know what would be the most ironic thing in the world? It would be beyond ironic if somebody was on this message board lying about their screen name, and who they are, just like all these right wing Christian Republicans constantly lie about who they really are. And it would be more ironic if they actually believed. They were fooling everybody when in reality they’re only fooling themselves and people like them. How ironic would that be?

That would be super ironic, as those types of implied accusations are what made me question whether Zurn was RQA or this was just more of the same "I don't like you so I'm going to define you" bullshit that occurs here.

If Zurn wants to weigh in, I'll listen. Otherwise I'm gonna assume he's not RQA.

TravelinMan wrote:

DWags wrote:

Do you know what would be the most ironic thing in the world? It would be beyond ironic if somebody was on this message board lying about their screen name, and who they are, just like all these right wing Christian Republicans constantly lie about who they really are. And it would be more ironic if they actually believed. They were fooling everybody when in reality they’re only fooling themselves and people like them. How ironic would that be?

That would be super ironic, as those types of implied accusations are what made me question whether Zurn was RQA or this was just more of the same "I don't like you so I'm going to define you" bullshit that occurs here.

If Zurn wants to weigh in, I'll listen. Otherwise I'm gonna assume he's not RQA.

GRR Spartan wrote:Barry Goldwater, a former hero of the Conservative wing of the GOP warned the country about Evangelicals taking over the Republican Party decades ago.

His major concern was their absolutism and refusal to ever negotiate anything.  

Goldwater was correct.  We now have a toxic mix of Evangelicals controlling judgeships, legislators along with a political party that needs them to win elections.

It’s The American Taliban.

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Do you suppose that Zurn is in the 5%

GRR Spartan wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:Insert the "I don't know and I'm too afraid to ask" meme, but is Zurn really RQA or is this just more of the same lame accusations stuff? Genuinely curious.

Genuine would be a first.

TravelinMan wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:


Genuine would be a first.

If I was a fragile snowflake I’d be really upset by that comment.  

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

If I was a fragile snowflake I’d be really upset by that comment.  

If?  As if there is any question?

Trapper Gus wrote:[tw]1778012809390964780[/tw]

Do you suppose that Zurn is in the 5%