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Robert J Sakimano wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't the 511's have a bunch of stretch denim? I think it's similar to the 514 but I can't keep track of all the cuts anymore. I had a pair of the 514s, loved the fit and the wash but hated the stretch denim.

yep - per the Levi's site:

A modern slim with room to move, the 511 Slim Fit Stretch Jeans are a classic since right now. These jeans sit below the waist with a slim fit from hip to ankle.

I have probably 5-6 different pairs - black, a really dark indigo wash and then a wash called "green jelly" which is an odd name. They're basically a distressed wash somewhere between a traditional lighter denim and darker indigo.

Yeah, I had a dark blue pair that I thought looked nice. It was basic but I always liked the 100% cotton ones. I'll have to check them out again, maybe after all these years they've improved the fabric.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Bob what is your opinion on Carhartt? Do you rock that shit or is it too urban or blue collar for you?

Bob wears skinny jeans, so it seems he’d wear Carhartt only to be ironic.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Bob what is your opinion on Carhartt? Do you rock that shit or is it too urban or blue collar for you?

I have a Carhartt coat.. I'll often wear it shoveling or on longer walks - has sort of a sherpa lining and a hood. It's pretty great - I also have a Dickies work coat that, in my opinion, is as durable as the Carhartt one for about half the price.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't the 511's have a bunch of stretch denim? I think it's similar to the 514 but I can't keep track of all the cuts anymore. I had a pair of the 514s, loved the fit and the wash but hated the stretch denim.

yep - per the Levi's site:

A modern slim with room to move, the 511 Slim Fit Stretch Jeans are a classic since right now. These jeans sit below the waist with a slim fit from hip to ankle.

I have probably 5-6 different pairs - black, a really dark indigo wash and then a wash called "green jelly" which is an odd name. They're basically a distressed wash somewhere between a traditional lighter denim and darker indigo.

Damn Bob, you know a lot about Levi's.

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:yep - per the Levi's site:



I have probably 5-6 different pairs - black, a really dark indigo wash and then a wash called "green jelly" which is an odd name. They're basically a distressed wash somewhere between a traditional lighter denim and darker indigo.

Damn Bob, you know a lot about Levi's.

I like Levi's.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

Damn Bob, you know a lot about Levi's.

I like Levi's.

I'm wearing my own pair right now. Feeling manly.

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I like Levi's.

I'm wearing my own pair right now. Feeling manly.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

steveschneider wrote:I used to be a devout Levi's guy. Best blue jeans ever made if you ask me. Well in the 2000's they closed all of their American plants, and you could almost instantly see the drop off in fit and quality. I bought a pair that had such thin denim you could see holes forming after a few washes.  I went to Kohl's last year and the 501s didn't fit like my old 501s that finally wore out. The 505 didn't fit like the old 505 and after about an hour of trying everything on I realized I'm now a 502 guy.

You talk to anyone in the garment industry in New York and they'll all tell you the best denim in the world is made by the Japanese now. Why is that? Because they bought all the weaving looms from the American Levi plants when they shut down. LOL! Problem is you have to pay 150 to 300 dollars for a pair pants and I'm too cheap to ever do that. No thanks!

currently wearing three separate articles of clothing made by Levi's.

511 jeans, snap shirt, trucker jacket.

Canadian tuxedo!

tGreenWay wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
currently wearing three separate articles of clothing made by Levi's.

511 jeans, snap shirt, trucker jacket.

Canadian tuxedo!

every day, G..

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

AvgMSUJoe wrote:So what we've concluded is the only merican* car company is Ford, according to lws, right?


*-not including the actual % of ownership that may or may not be foreign.

Oh, and BTW....Camry is more American than YOUR F150...

Bump for pantry. But i think this is when he says fake news, skewed numbers, snowflake, lib something.

Oh, look.  My biggest hater.  

Unfortunately, that article leaves out big pieces of the entire automotive production picture, focusing only on the content.  Things you foreign car folks either don't know or choose to ignore in your hatred of US auto companies.

Engineering is crucial to producing quality vehicles and far more complicated than you could even imagine.  Not just the design of the vehicle: exterior, interior, powertrain.  FEA simulations, prototyping, crash testing, road testing, failure analysis, FMVSS regulations, CAFE requirements, ISO requirements, etc.  And that's just to engineer the vehicle.  There's also engineering of the stamping dies, component manufacturing equipment, and final assembly tools (the production line).  Millions of people work in these processes, either as engineers or support people from logistics, accounting, to janitorial services.  Point is, the Big 3 keeps most of their engineering in the US.  Just like foreign car companies keep most of their engineering on their home turf.

Build.  Again, you foreign car lovers don't get it.  US companies pay to have most of their stamping dies and assembly fixtures (tooling) built in the US for Tier1's and Tier2's.  Yes, some of those vendors (their call) send the tooling to Canada or Mexico to build production parts but at least it was engineered and built in the US.  You'd be surprised how often stamping dies are built overseas and shipped to the US from foreign car companies so the production parts can be claimed to be US domestic content.

Pretty funny hearing some of you foreign guys bag on GM for the layoffs.  You're the reason that business decision was made.  Sleep well tonight.  

I'll never get the foreign car love from you anti-Americans even though our products are now ranked superior.

The Pantry wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Bump for pantry. But i think this is when he says fake news, skewed numbers, snowflake, lib something.

Oh, look.  My biggest hater.  

Unfortunately, that article leaves out big pieces of the entire automotive production picture, focusing only on the content.  Things you foreign car folks either don't know or choose to ignore in your hatred of US auto companies.

Engineering is crucial to producing quality vehicles and far more complicated than you could even imagine.  Not just the design of the vehicle: exterior, interior, powertrain.  FEA simulations, prototyping, crash testing, road testing, failure analysis, FMVSS regulations, CAFE requirements, ISO requirements, etc.  And that's just to engineer the vehicle.  There's also engineering of the stamping dies, component manufacturing equipment, and final assembly tools (the production line).  Millions of people work in these processes, either as engineers or support people from logistics, accounting, to janitorial services.  Point is, the Big 3 keeps most of their engineering in the US.  Just like foreign car companies keep most of their engineering on their home turf.

Build.  Again, you foreign car lovers don't get it.  US companies pay to have most of their stamping dies and assembly fixtures (tooling) built in the US for Tier1's and Tier2's.  Yes, some of those vendors (their call) send the tooling to Canada or Mexico to build production parts but at least it was engineered and built in the US.  You'd be surprised how often stamping dies are built overseas and shipped to the US from foreign car companies so the production parts can be claimed to be US domestic content.

Pretty funny hearing some of you foreign guys bag on GM for the layoffs.  You're the reason that business decision was made.  Sleep well tonight.  

I'll never get the foreign car love from you anti-Americans even though our products are now ranked superior.

call me old-fashioned, but I believe people should do whatever they want to do..

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

The Pantry wrote:
Oh, look.  My biggest hater.  

Unfortunately, that article leaves out big pieces of the entire automotive production picture, focusing only on the content.  Things you foreign car folks either don't know or choose to ignore in your hatred of US auto companies.

Engineering is crucial to producing quality vehicles and far more complicated than you could even imagine.  Not just the design of the vehicle: exterior, interior, powertrain.  FEA simulations, prototyping, crash testing, road testing, failure analysis, FMVSS regulations, CAFE requirements, ISO requirements, etc.  And that's just to engineer the vehicle.  There's also engineering of the stamping dies, component manufacturing equipment, and final assembly tools (the production line).  Millions of people work in these processes, either as engineers or support people from logistics, accounting, to janitorial services.  Point is, the Big 3 keeps most of their engineering in the US.  Just like foreign car companies keep most of their engineering on their home turf.

Build.  Again, you foreign car lovers don't get it.  US companies pay to have most of their stamping dies and assembly fixtures (tooling) built in the US for Tier1's and Tier2's.  Yes, some of those vendors (their call) send the tooling to Canada or Mexico to build production parts but at least it was engineered and built in the US.  You'd be surprised how often stamping dies are built overseas and shipped to the US from foreign car companies so the production parts can be claimed to be US domestic content.

Pretty funny hearing some of you foreign guys bag on GM for the layoffs.  You're the reason that business decision was made.  Sleep well tonight.  

I'll never get the foreign car love from you anti-Americans even though our products are now ranked superior.

call me old-fashioned, but I believe people should do whatever they want to do..

But, why the hate on American companies and workers from, supposedly, other Americans?

The Pantry wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: call me old-fashioned, but I believe people should do whatever they want to do..

But, why the hate on American companies and workers from, supposedly, other Americans?

I can't speak for them.. but I don't look at where something is made before I buy it. I still have that right (for now).

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

The Pantry wrote:But, why the hate on American companies and workers from, supposedly, other Americans?

I can't speak for them.. but I don't look at where something is made before I buy it. I still have that right (for now).

Right, take this message board for instance. If you check real close you'll find out the software is Russian.

Jake from State Farm wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I can't speak for them.. but I don't look at where something is made before I buy it. I still have that right (for now).

Right, take this message board for instance. If you check real close you'll find out the software is Russian.

Я с большим презрением отношусь к tGreenWay

The Pantry wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: call me old-fashioned, but I believe people should do whatever they want to do..

But, why the hate on American companies and workers from, supposedly, other Americans?

Who hates these companies? You keep saying that, but no one has really implied or said that.

The Pantry wrote:But, why the hate on American companies and workers from, supposedly, other Americans?

FWIW, I drive a GM car. Probably the best car I've had (maybe even better then my 1990 civic from back in the day). Not bagging or hating on 'Merican cars.

Bagging on lws for being douchey about "buy 'Merican".

Я с большим презрением отношусь к

You and me both.

if I planned on buying a car, I'd quite likely go out of my way not to buy an American one..

that's just the way I am.

I.B. Fine wrote:

Я с большим презрением отношусь к

You and me both.

The Pantry wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Bump for pantry. But i think this is when he says fake news, skewed numbers, snowflake, lib something.

Oh, look.  My biggest hater.  

Unfortunately, that article leaves out big pieces of the entire automotive production picture, focusing only on the content.  Things you foreign car folks either don't know or choose to ignore in your hatred of US auto companies.

Engineering is crucial to producing quality vehicles and far more complicated than you could even imagine.  Not just the design of the vehicle: exterior, interior, powertrain.  FEA simulations, prototyping, crash testing, road testing, failure analysis, FMVSS regulations, CAFE requirements, ISO requirements, etc.  And that's just to engineer the vehicle.  There's also engineering of the stamping dies, component manufacturing equipment, and final assembly tools (the production line).  Millions of people work in these processes, either as engineers or support people from logistics, accounting, to janitorial services.  Point is, the Big 3 keeps most of their engineering in the US.  Just like foreign car companies keep most of their engineering on their home turf.

Build.  Again, you foreign car lovers don't get it.  US companies pay to have most of their stamping dies and assembly fixtures (tooling) built in the US for Tier1's and Tier2's.  Yes, some of those vendors (their call) send the tooling to Canada or Mexico to build production parts but at least it was engineered and built in the US.  You'd be surprised how often stamping dies are built overseas and shipped to the US from foreign car companies so the production parts can be claimed to be US domestic content.

Pretty funny hearing some of you foreign guys bag on GM for the layoffs.  You're the reason that business decision was made.  Sleep well tonight.  

I'll never get the foreign car love from you anti-Americans even though our products are now ranked superior.

You mean like the Toyota R&D center in ann arbor?
And I never bagged on GM or any other US-based car company. All I said was Toyota is, IMO, a superior product. And while it’s only my opinion, it’s one shared by millions of other car drivers and most auto and consumer research publications. The Camry and Accord have consistently, for decades, been ranked at or near the top of most reviews.
So, your opinion matters every bit as much as mine, but it doesn’t matter more.
And you can take your anti-American comment and shove it up your tailpipe.

The Pantry wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: call me old-fashioned, but I believe people should do whatever they want to do..

But, why the hate on American companies and workers from, supposedly, other Americans?

I don't hate American companies. I think a lot of us that went to the Japanese car were once devout American car people. I think a lot of us just remember all those calls at dinner time when some neighbor or uncle or whoever would call to see if you could pick them up off the side of the highway or from some parking lot they had to roll into because their car was broken down. I've been in American cars where the radiator was over heated and had to suffer the humiliation of lifting the hood up to let the steam out and wait for the engine cool off in full view of rush hour traffic on a crowded street.

My brother in law that gave me his old Honda Civic beater when he bought his Chevy Cruze is ready to dump his new car and I'm ready to dump the Civic because its at the end of its life. He's put more money into that Cruz in the same amount of time that I've owned the Civic with 200k miles on it. That Cruz turned into a money shortly after he rolled it off the lot and he wishes had kept the beater.

tGreenWay wrote:

The Pantry wrote:
Oh, look.  My biggest hater.  

Unfortunately, that article leaves out big pieces of the entire automotive production picture, focusing only on the content.  Things you foreign car folks either don't know or choose to ignore in your hatred of US auto companies.

Engineering is crucial to producing quality vehicles and far more complicated than you could even imagine.  Not just the design of the vehicle: exterior, interior, powertrain.  FEA simulations, prototyping, crash testing, road testing, failure analysis, FMVSS regulations, CAFE requirements, ISO requirements, etc.  And that's just to engineer the vehicle.  There's also engineering of the stamping dies, component manufacturing equipment, and final assembly tools (the production line).  Millions of people work in these processes, either as engineers or support people from logistics, accounting, to janitorial services.  Point is, the Big 3 keeps most of their engineering in the US.  Just like foreign car companies keep most of their engineering on their home turf.

Build.  Again, you foreign car lovers don't get it.  US companies pay to have most of their stamping dies and assembly fixtures (tooling) built in the US for Tier1's and Tier2's.  Yes, some of those vendors (their call) send the tooling to Canada or Mexico to build production parts but at least it was engineered and built in the US.  You'd be surprised how often stamping dies are built overseas and shipped to the US from foreign car companies so the production parts can be claimed to be US domestic content.

Pretty funny hearing some of you foreign guys bag on GM for the layoffs.  You're the reason that business decision was made.  Sleep well tonight.  

I'll never get the foreign car love from you anti-Americans even though our products are now ranked superior.

You mean like the Toyota R&D center in ann arbor?
And I never bagged on GM or any other US-based car company. All I said was Toyota is, IMO, a superior product. And while it’s only my opinion, it’s one shared by millions of other car drivers and most auto and consumer research publications. The Camry and Accord have consistently, for decades, been ranked at or near the top of most reviews.
So, your opinion matters every bit as much as mine, but it doesn’t matter more.
And you can take your anti-American comment and shove it up your tailpipe.

hey now.. some of us wear our anti-American-ness with pride.

BTW, Pantry thanks for making me aware of the LL Bean sale.

Just bought three of these.

https://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/91480?attrValue_0=Black&csp=a

Black, Teal and the vintage indigo. Those things will last me for years!

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

The Pantry wrote:But, why the hate on American companies and workers from, supposedly, other Americans?

I can't speak for them.. but I don't look at where something is made before I buy it. I still have that right (for now).

Friend of mine from high school—very pro gun, avid hunter and trapper, pro GM union, designed and created a bumper sticker that said Americans buy what they want. He must have sold tens of those. But I’ve never forgotten that message, especially coming from a guy whose dad was getting his paychecks from GM.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

The Pantry wrote:But, why the hate on American companies and workers from, supposedly, other Americans?

I can't speak for them.. but I don't look at where something is made before I buy it. I still have that right (for now).

With Uber and Lyft, I've read that a wise financial move depending on your needs is to just rely on those companies for your transportation. With insurance, loan payments, gas, routine maintenance and so on you might come out ahead. I've explored this option as well.

tGreenWay wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I can't speak for them.. but I don't look at where something is made before I buy it. I still have that right (for now).

Friend of mine from high school—very pro gun, avid hunter and trapper, pro GM union, designed and created a bumper sticker that said Americans buy what they want. He must have sold tens of those. But I’ve never forgotten that message, especially coming from a guy whose dad was getting his paychecks from GM.

people are funny.

steveschneider wrote:BTW, Pantry thanks for making me aware of the LL Bean sale.

Just bought three of these.

https://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/91480?attrValue_0=Black&csp=a

Black, Teal and the vintage indigo. Those things will last me for years!

steveschneider wrote:BTW, Pantry thanks for making me aware of the LL Bean sale.

Just bought three of these.

https://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/91480?attrValue_0=Black&csp=a

Black, Teal and the vintage indigo. Those things will last me for years!

*making a mental note that Steve has purchased a teal LS polo for mocking at a later date.

tGreenWay wrote:

steveschneider wrote:BTW, Pantry thanks for making me aware of the LL Bean sale.

Just bought three of these.

https://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/91480?attrValue_0=Black&csp=a

Black, Teal and the vintage indigo. Those things will last me for years!

*making a mental note that Steve has purchased a teal LS polo for mocking at a later date.

steveschneider wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I can't speak for them.. but I don't look at where something is made before I buy it. I still have that right (for now).

With Uber and Lyft, I've read that a wise financial move depending on your needs is to just rely on those companies for your transportation. With insurance, loan payments, gas, routine maintenance and so on you might come out ahead. I've explored this option as well.

Using those services and any form of public transportation is anti-American. Buy an American car or forever get no sleep.

You are anti-American, Greenway. When's the last time you purchased any vehicle made by the Big 3?

tGreenWay wrote:

steveschneider wrote:BTW, Pantry thanks for making me aware of the LL Bean sale.

Just bought three of these.

https://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/91480?attrValue_0=Black&csp=a

Black, Teal and the vintage indigo. Those things will last me for years!

*making a mental note that Steve has purchased a teal LS polo for mocking at a later date.

At least it wasn't clover, which is the wrong shade of green.




ps. I'm generally a big fan of L.L. Bean. Well-made clothing.

tGreenWay wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

With Uber and Lyft, I've read that a wise financial move depending on your needs is to just rely on those companies for your transportation. With insurance, loan payments, gas, routine maintenance and so on you might come out ahead. I've explored this option as well.

Using those services and any form of public transportation is anti-American. Buy an American car or forever get no sleep.

the thought of me wearing clothes from LL Bean would make certain that I got no sleep.

FTR, My wife's Honda Pilot sucks ass. Been to the shop more then my last two cars combined.

tGreenWay wrote:

steveschneider wrote:BTW, Pantry thanks for making me aware of the LL Bean sale.

Just bought three of these.

https://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/91480?attrValue_0=Black&csp=a

Black, Teal and the vintage indigo. Those things will last me for years!

*making a mental note that Steve has purchased a teal LS polo for mocking at a later date.

The teal might go back. I have to try it on in person.

They are versatile shirts though, you wear them with jeans you fit in with society. You put them on with khakis you have your business casual. Much more comfortable than a button down dress shirt too!

AvgMSUJoe wrote:FTR, My wife's Honda Pilot sucks ass. Been to the shop more then my last two cars combined.

They've both made models that were dud's and bombed out. I stick with the models that are on their 11th to 12th generation. The Prius has been out 20 years and I've got a lot of feedback to go off of. They seem like very well engineered cars.

steveschneider wrote:BTW, Pantry thanks for making me aware of the LL Bean sale.

Just bought three of these.

https://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/91480?attrValue_0=Black&csp=a

Black, Teal and the vintage indigo. Those things will last me for years!

Welcome. Try their jeans.

steveschneider wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:

*making a mental note that Steve has purchased a teal LS polo for mocking at a later date.

The teal might go back. I have to try it on in person.

They are versatile shirts though, you wear them with jeans you fit in with society. You put them on with khakis you have your business casual. Much more comfortable than a button down dress shirt too!

steveschneider wrote:

The Pantry wrote:But, why the hate on American companies and workers from, supposedly, other Americans?

I don't hate American companies. I think a lot of us that went to the Japanese car were once devout American car people. I think a lot of us just remember all those calls at dinner time when some neighbor or uncle or whoever would call to see if you could pick them up off the side of the highway or from some parking lot they had to roll into because their car was broken down. I've been in American cars where the radiator was over heated and had to suffer the humiliation of lifting the hood up to let the steam out and wait for the engine cool off in full view of rush hour traffic on a crowded street.

My brother in law that gave me his old Honda Civic beater when he bought his Chevy Cruze is ready to dump his new car and I'm ready to dump the Civic because its at the end of its life. He's put more money into that Cruz in the same amount of time that I've owned the Civic with 200k miles on it. That Cruz turned into a money shortly after he rolled it off the lot and he wishes had kept the beater.

You younger folks have no recollection of how unreliable foreign vehicles use to be. Japanese vehicles were particularly awful.

Have to congratulate Japanese companies for emphasizing quality in the 80's. They made it a focal point and developed a reputation, making UAW produced vehicles here in the states look silly. Blame the Big 3 all you want but the UAW was as much at fault.

Things are not what they use to be. The UAW is no where near as powerful. And, domestic vehicles are topping the quality rankings.

If you anti-Americans would let go of your hate, maybe those 14,000 GM workers and countless other supplier jobs wouldn't have been lost.