No students on MSU's campus this fall

by **duffy munn** Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:00 pm

Stanley is about to pull the trigger to online only. IMO a very smart move.

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:40 pm

Officially announced. Wow. Feel so bad for those kids.

by **Nordic** Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:52 pm

Stanley has been very progressive on his handling of the situation, more so than any other university/college in our state.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:52 pm

Kids should absolutely just take the year off if they have the opportunity to do so. Go work or whatever. There’s no need to graduate in 4 years and miss a year of a real college experience just to go join the workforce for the next 50 years of their lives. No rush, the monotony will be there a year later as well.

by **Watch Out Pylon!** Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:55 pm

Fucked up times man.

by **CORNER BLITZ** Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:56 pm

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Kids should absolutely just take the year off if they have the opportunity to do so. Go work or whatever. There’s no need to graduate in 4 years and miss a year of a real college experience just to go join the workforce for the next 50 years of their lives. No rush, the monotony will be there a year later as well.

This

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:01 pm

All kids should get the year off K-12 included. Fuck it, let's try again next year.

by **MiamiSpartan** Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:09 pm

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Kids should absolutely just take the year off if they have the opportunity to do so. Go work or whatever. There’s no need to graduate in 4 years and miss a year of a real college experience just to go join the workforce for the next 50 years of their lives. No rush, the monotony will be there a year later as well.

Limited jobs available, limited travel, limited fun. I'd do school. Granted, I'd try to do as many of the classes that would typically be in large lecture halls, as possible, because what is really the difference? Overall, if you're going to be stuck largely at home, minus well do something that is less fun, like focus on your studies.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:11 pm

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Kids should absolutely just take the year off if they have the opportunity to do so. Go work or whatever. There’s no need to graduate in 4 years and miss a year of a real college experience just to go join the workforce for the next 50 years of their lives. No rush, the monotony will be there a year later as well.

Travis is right, again.

by **Nordic** Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:20 pm

MSU President Stanley moves undergrad instruction online only for start of fall semester

I misread Duffs OP. I read it as MSU was closing campus.

This is actually not that big of a departure from what they a were already doing. Most undergrad classes were already online. All my kid's frosh classes are already online.

by **CORNER BLITZ** Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:30 pm

Nordic wrote:MSU President Stanley moves undergrad instruction online only for start of fall semester

I misread Duffs OP. I read it as MSU was closing campus.

This is actually not that big of a departure from what they a were already doing. Most undergrad classes were already online. All my kid's frosh classes are already online.

have you learned from twitter that you don't have to read past a title

by **duffy munn** Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:37 pm

Nordic wrote:MSU President Stanley moves undergrad instruction online only for start of fall semester

I misread Duffs OP. I read it as MSU was closing campus.

This is actually not that big of a departure from what they a were already doing. Most undergrad classes were already online. All my kid's frosh classes are already online.

With the residence halls closing and no in person instruction campus is essentially closed.

by aualum06 Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:45 pm

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:All kids should get the year off K-12 included. Fuck it, let's try again next year.

Nah let's send kids to school everyday and make them staying a 6 foot bubble called their desk for 6 hours a d not let them move.exveot for a couple bathroom breaks

by **Jake from State Farm** Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:36 pm

My grandson's choice to attend LCC instead of MSU this fall is turning out to be a very good choice. My granddaughter is also foregoing a year of kindergarten to be home schooled by the wife and I.

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:42 pm

duffy munn wrote:
Nordic wrote:MSU President Stanley moves undergrad instruction online only for start of fall semester

I misread Duffs OP. I read it as MSU was closing campus.

This is actually not that big of a departure from what they a were already doing. Most undergrad classes were already online. All my kid's frosh classes are already online.

With the residence halls closing and no in person instruction campus is essentially closed.

Yeah I think it's a pretty big deal. As of yesterday my niece was planning on moving into her dorm room for her last year of school. For her major there were still some in person requirements. Now she's got to stay home with her parents. My nephew on the other side is off campus but I can't imagine his parents are going to let him go up. He was counting down the days.

by AvgMSUJoe Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:53 pm

As long as there are leases in East Lansing, it will still be a train wreck.

by **Nordic** Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:08 pm

duffy munn wrote:
Nordic wrote:MSU President Stanley moves undergrad instruction online only for start of fall semester

I misread Duffs OP. I read it as MSU was closing campus.

This is actually not that big of a departure from what they a were already doing. Most undergrad classes were already online. All my kid's frosh classes are already online.

With the residence halls closing and no in person instruction campus is essentially closed.

Do you have a link that residence halls are closing? That is what I'm looking for.

by **Nordic** Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:12 pm

Checked my email. Official statement.

Spoiler:

Dear Spartans,
As president of Michigan State University, it is my ultimate responsibility to protect the health and safety of our students, faculty and staff. That has been my guiding principle since I arrived at this great university last year, and even more so since the coronavirus pandemic turned our lives upside down.
Our decision in March to transition to remote classes and have more employees work remotely was the right one. Since that time, we’ve worked diligently to create new approaches to educational and enrichment opportunities for our students, while always keeping health and safety foremost in mind. Our entire process stems from values-based decisions and constant evaluation and re-evaluation, as the nature of the pandemic changes.
But given the current status of the virus in our country — particularly what we are seeing at other institutions as they re-populate their campus communities — it has become evident to me that, despite our best efforts and strong planning, it is unlikely we can prevent widespread transmission of COVID-19 between students if our undergraduates return to campus.
So, effective immediately, we are asking undergraduate students who planned to live in our residence halls this fall to stay home and continue their education with MSU remotely. While a vast majority of our classes already were offered in remote formats, we will work the next two weeks to transition those that were in-person or hybrid to remote formats.
There will be some exceptions for the colleges of Law, Human Medicine, Nursing, Osteopathic Medicine and Veterinary Medicine as well as all graduate programs. Those colleges and programs will learn more details soon. In addition, our research initiatives, which are done in the very safest possible conditions, will continue. We will also work with our international students on their student visa status and those needing labs, studios and performance-based classes that are required for graduation.
Through Residential and Hospitality Services, we will provide information to all students who are impacted by this decision. Refunds or credits will be issued to individuals who have already paid for the fall semester. We also realize that for some students, MSU is their home or they need to be on campus for employment. Just like we did this spring, we will continue to provide a safe place for a small number of students in our residence halls. We remain committed to our students, their success and their safety.
We have more decisions to make in the coming days about how best to make this transition, and we will share additional information with you as soon as we can. Right now, we want to make sure our students, faculty and staff have the ability to change any needed plans as we work toward a Sept. 2 start date for remote undergraduate education.
For our off-campus students, we also encourage you to consider staying in your home communities if that is a safer place for you. We are working with our partners in the city of East Lansing and the Ingham County Health Department to create the safest community possible. For our MSU employees, we continue to encourage everyone who can work remotely or from home to do so.
This transition may not be easy for some, and we will make sure students have access to needed support areas such as mental health, information technology, student services and financial aid. The virus has impacted all of us in some way, although some groups have been impacted more than others. I urge everyone to continue showing their compassion and support for one another as we collectively get through this time.
We have seen that it is difficult for colleges and universities, and other areas of education such as K–12, to be open successfully right now given the prevalence of the virus. While I have faith in our students and all of the members of the campus community, we know that this virus is relentless and is easily spread. We’re seeing on our campus and in other areas of the country that a few mistakes by some are having large impacts on many.
This was an extraordinarily difficult decision, but the safety of our campus community must be our paramount concern. Please know that we are making choices based on reliable public health data, updates from local and state officials and our understanding of the science and research available to us on the novel coronavirus.
Finally, we remain committed to each student’s success and have confidence that we will deliver a high-value educational experience regardless of the format. And rest assured we will continue to make decisions and take actions guided by our core values. I am very proud of the collective Spartan spirit shown over the past six months.
Sincerely,

No students on MSU's campus this fall Mail?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.cabs.msu.edu%2Femail%2Fpresmail%2Fstanley-signature.png&t=1597795867&ymreqid=0f514d6c-ce4b-3dae-1c0e-fc0001014b00&sig=

Samuel L. Stanley Jr., M.D.

by **CORNER BLITZ** Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:16 pm

There's no way that signature says Samuel Stanley

by **y2kMgrad** Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:40 pm

CORNER BLITZ wrote:There's no way that signature says Samuel Stanley

A e 2 Shy 2

by **tGreenWay** Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:46 pm

Nordic wrote:Checked my email. Official statement.

Spoiler:

Sorry Nordy, I just unsubscribed you from further email notices. The link was just there, taunting me. Oops.

by **DWags** Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:02 pm

My wife has explained to me in calm terms that we actually live in the worst county in Michigan for Covid and the hottest spot. Pick em up trucks with huge flags in them and arguments at Kroger about wearing masks. So.... she asks “why keep her here? Send her to Ingham county to take the classes online in her apartment. I think maybe she’s right.

by AvgMSUJoe Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:06 pm

DWags wrote:My wife has explained to me in calm terms that we actually live in the worst county in Michigan for Covid and the hottest spot. Pick em up trucks with huge flags in them and arguments at Kroger about wearing masks. So.... she asks “why keep her here? Send her to Ingham county to take the classes online in her apartment. I think maybe she’s right.

Do they got the internets on Mackinaw island?

by **DWags** Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:12 pm

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
DWags wrote:My wife has explained to me in calm terms that we actually live in the worst county in Michigan for Covid and the hottest spot. Pick em up trucks with huge flags in them and arguments at Kroger about wearing masks. So.... she asks “why keep her here? Send her to Ingham county to take the classes online in her apartment. I think maybe she’s right.
Do they got the internets on Mackinaw island?

I think if Bob were still in school he’d probably go online up there.

by **Nordic** Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:15 pm

tGreenway wrote:Sorry Nordy, I just unsubscribed you from further email notices. The link was just there, taunting me. Oops.

Ha. I just figured out what you were talking about.

Thanks for decluttering my email!

by **Robert J Sakimano** Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:44 am

DWags wrote:My wife has explained to me in calm terms that we actually live in the worst county in Michigan for Covid and the hottest spot. Pick em up trucks with huge flags in them and arguments at Kroger about wearing masks. So.... she asks “why keep her here? Send her to Ingham county to take the classes online in her apartment. I think maybe she’s right.

yeah, I don't think anyone is surprised by this move by MSU.

Our daughter is safer living in her house off Grand River 'cause if she lived here, she and my wife would kill each other.

by **DWags** Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:56 am

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
DWags wrote:My wife has explained to me in calm terms that we actually live in the worst county in Michigan for Covid and the hottest spot. Pick em up trucks with huge flags in them and arguments at Kroger about wearing masks. So.... she asks “why keep her here? Send her to Ingham county to take the classes online in her apartment. I think maybe she’s right.
yeah, I don't think anyone is surprised by this move by MSU.

Our daughter is safer living in her house off Grand River 'cause if she lived here, she and my wife would kill each other.

No students on MSU's campus this fall 502811600

by **Turtleneck** Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:14 am

When is the due date for fall tuition?

by **CORNER BLITZ** Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:03 am

Turtleneck wrote:When is the due date for fall tuition?

Last week

Although tuition refund period is someone mid September

by **Turtleneck** Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:12 am

CORNER BLITZ wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:When is the due date for fall tuition?

Last week

Although tuition refund period is someone mid September

Interesting.

by AvgMSUJoe Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:25 am

Turtleneck wrote:
CORNER BLITZ wrote:

Last week

Although tuition refund period is someone mid September

Interesting.

How long of a lapse can happen prior to re-applying?

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:59 am

Turtleneck wrote:
CORNER BLITZ wrote:

Last week

Although tuition refund period is someone mid September

Interesting.

The ole bait and switch

by Izzo Court Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:05 am

So if MSU's campus is empty, it should be safe for the football team to practice and begin playing games.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:14 pm

Izzo Court wrote:So if MSU's campus is empty, it should be safe for the football team to practice and begin playing games.

Are they going to scrimmage themselves?

by **steveschneider** Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:40 pm

MiamiSpartan wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Kids should absolutely just take the year off if they have the opportunity to do so. Go work or whatever. There’s no need to graduate in 4 years and miss a year of a real college experience just to go join the workforce for the next 50 years of their lives. No rush, the monotony will be there a year later as well.

Limited jobs available, limited travel, limited fun. I'd do school. Granted, I'd try to do as many of the classes that would typically be in large lecture halls, as possible, because what is really the difference? Overall, if you're going to be stuck largely at home, minus well do something that is less fun, like focus on your studies.

Agreed get on with it and get it over with. My neighbors kid packed the truck and is heading off to Albany for school. Parents wanted him to stay home a semester and he didn’t want to do it. Really do feel bad for these kids.

by **CORNER BLITZ** Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:08 pm

Izzo Court wrote:So if MSU's campus is empty, it should be safe for the football team to practice and begin playing games.

Not scientific... But blacksheep_msu has a poll going on insta with 4500+ responses and so far 71% say they're still going/staying in EL vs being at home

I would wager that a decent amount of students are fucked by leases they signed last year and cannot get out of paying 700+/month for an apartment

by **Jake from State Farm** Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:39 pm

CORNER BLITZ wrote:
Izzo Court wrote:So if MSU's campus is empty, it should be safe for the football team to practice and begin playing games.

Not scientific... But blacksheep_msu has a poll going on insta with 4500+ responses and so far 71% say they're still going/staying in EL vs being at home

I would wager that a decent amount of students are fucked by leases they signed last year and cannot get out of paying 700+/month for an apartment

Is it for an apartment or just one room in a 4 bedroom apartment?

by **CORNER BLITZ** Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:17 pm

Jake from State Farm wrote:
CORNER BLITZ wrote:

Not scientific... But blacksheep_msu has a poll going on insta with 4500+ responses and so far 71% say they're still going/staying in EL vs being at home

I would wager that a decent amount of students are fucked by leases they signed last year and cannot get out of paying 700+/month for an apartment

Is it for an apartment or just one room in a 4 bedroom apartment?

you can get chandler 4bed for ~500 *i think says prices subject to change so don't know the last they updated*
1bed in chandler complex ~1000
2bed in the new apartments in front of chandler start at 725
the lodges are 700 for a 4bed and closer to the "required" amenities these days
skyvue is 760+
4bed at Hannah lofts are 750+

Almost any newer apartment is going to be around that 700 mark or higher per room.

by **DWags** Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:35 pm

CORNER BLITZ wrote:
Izzo Court wrote:So if MSU's campus is empty, it should be safe for the football team to practice and begin playing games.

Not scientific... But blacksheep_msu has a poll going on insta with 4500+ responses and so far 71% say they're still going/staying in EL vs being at home

I would wager that a decent amount of students are fucked by leases they signed last year and cannot get out of paying 700+/month for an apartment

We’ve been paying for my kids apartment since April. We’ll be paying for it till June. Empty or full.

by **MiamiSpartan** Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:34 pm

MSU has been mentioned all day on national media. The stories about colleges center on the likes of UNC and ND that started classes and then had to shut down due to outbreaks. So the context of MSU being discussed is pretty much that the school is seeing the problems of others and reacting quickly, which reflects well on State in the tone of the stories.

Granted, we might be extra cautious compared to most Universities about anything that could lead to a potential lawsuit. But having a president that is an infectious disease expert lends good credibility to the decision from a safety/science perspective.

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