Re: Disney dumps woke CEO

by **Trapper Gus** 2022-11-22, 16:32

RQA wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Next up, water is wet.

Hate to break this to you TG, water isn't wet. But then you think Dodge owns Jeep and probably agree with those here that think Thursday is the weekend.

lol - contradiction is not an argument. Back up your statement that water isn't wet.

by **Motown Spartan** 2022-11-22, 17:03

Trapper Gus wrote:
RQA wrote:

Hate to break this to you TG, water isn't wet. But then you think Dodge owns Jeep and probably agree with those here that think Thursday is the weekend.

lol - contradiction is not an argument. Back up your statement that water isn't wet.

There is actually an ongoing debate over this. Wet being the ability for a liquid to adhere to a solid and since water is not a solid, it cannot be wet, is a pretty cogent argument.

by **Trapper Gus** 2022-11-22, 17:13

Motown Spartan wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

lol - contradiction is not an argument. Back up your statement that water isn't wet.

There is actually an ongoing debate over this. Wet being the ability for a liquid to adhere to a solid and since water is not a solid, it cannot be wet, is a pretty cogent argument.

All liquids are wet, the measure of wetting capacity, the measurement of how much a liquid adhears to a solid surface, is about wetting, and the surface can be called "wet" if there is liquid adhearing to it. Even using that defintion of "wet" liquids are "wet" since they adhear to themselves.

It is a very narrow argument to argue that a liquid isn't wet and in the same discussion say that a solid is wet because it has a liquid on it. Since the liquid as has a liquid on itself it is arguing about the definition of wet that only allows a soild to be something that is wet.

To take this way to far, if the solid isn't wet, it being dry, then there is no liquid on it. If there is liquid on the solid it is said to be wet. The solid without liquid is dry, so what is the wettness when it is wet? Clearly the liquid is the wetness ergo the liquid is wet.

All of this is too much Alice In Wonderland for me, I will continue to say "water is wet" without all the logical detail.

by Pervis Muldoon 2022-11-22, 18:23

NigelUno wrote:
RQA wrote:

In 2018 about 37% of the voters in each of those two Disney counties voted for DeSantis. Knowing how his policies toward DIS would cause big problems for taxpayers in those counties surely he got even less of their vote in 2022.

Another deflection. Shocking.

I prefer this post. Three deflections in two sentences...

RQA wrote:Hate to break this to you TG, water isn't wet. But then you think Dodge owns Jeep and probably agree with those here that think Thursday is the weekend.

by **Motown Spartan** 2022-11-22, 18:44

Trapper Gus wrote:
Motown Spartan wrote:

There is actually an ongoing debate over this. Wet being the ability for a liquid to adhere to a solid and since water is not a solid, it cannot be wet, is a pretty cogent argument.

All liquids are wet, the measure of wetting capacity, the measurement of how much a liquid adhears to a solid surface, is about wetting, and the surface can be called "wet" if there is liquid adhearing to it. Even using that defintion of "wet" liquids are "wet" since they adhear to themselves.

It is a very narrow argument to argue that a liquid isn't wet and in the same discussion say that a solid is wet because it has a liquid on it. Since the liquid as has a liquid on itself it is arguing about the definition of wet that only allows a soild to be something that is wet.

To take this way to far, if the solid isn't wet, it being dry, then there is no liquid on it. If there is liquid on the solid it is said to be wet. The solid without liquid is dry, so what is the wettness when it is wet? Clearly the liquid is the wetness ergo the liquid is wet.

All of this is too much Alice In Wonderland for me, I will continue to say "water is wet" without all the logical detail.

https://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=6097

by **GRR Spartan** 2022-11-22, 19:18

Some folks want people to believe complex issues are all solved with repeating one syllable words over and over and over again.

It's how talking heads like Limbaugh, and now Hannity, Carlson and others at FoxNews along with OAN "personalities dupe the masses into thinking they have their best interests. They know things are complex but their asshole right winger audience eats up that simple one word problems /simple solutions shit.

by **Trapper Gus** 2022-11-23, 08:15

Pervis Muldoon wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Another deflection. Shocking.

I prefer this post. Three deflections in two sentences...

RQA wrote:Hate to break this to you TG, water isn't wet. But then you think Dodge owns Jeep and probably agree with those here that think Thursday is the weekend.

I'm sort of proud that I managed to take Herr RQA away from his thread's topic, so don't point that out to him.

by **Trapper Gus** 2022-11-23, 08:19

Motown Spartan wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

All liquids are wet, the measure of wetting capacity, the measurement of how much a liquid adhears to a solid surface, is about wetting, and the surface can be called "wet" if there is liquid adhearing to it. Even using that defintion of "wet" liquids are "wet" since they adhear to themselves.

It is a very narrow argument to argue that a liquid isn't wet and in the same discussion say that a solid is wet because it has a liquid on it. Since the liquid as has a liquid on itself it is arguing about the definition of wet that only allows a soild to be something that is wet.

To take this way to far, if the solid isn't wet, it being dry, then there is no liquid on it. If there is liquid on the solid it is said to be wet. The solid without liquid is dry, so what is the wettness when it is wet? Clearly the liquid is the wetness ergo the liquid is wet.

All of this is too much Alice In Wonderland for me, I will continue to say "water is wet" without all the logical detail.

https://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=6097

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That is the POV of the narrow technical academic world on this, and also the engineering world, where the "wettability" or "wetting" of a surface is an important property to know in many applications, however, the more common usage is that water itself is wet. The logic which rationally challenges the narrow technical academic POV in the "going too far" response, aka, if a surface isn't wet unless it has a liquid on it then logically it is the liquid which causes the "wet" and therefore the liquid is wet.

edit - however, going to the broad language academic world, definition of the word "wet" in the best researched and probably the most adhortative dictionary, "The Oxford English Dictionary", which has 10 columns on the word "wet" covering four pages of 8.5 inch by 11 inch in small type, the first definition of "wet" is "1. Moisture; liquid or moist substance. In occasional use applied to water, blood, sweat, sap, etc".

by RQA 2022-11-23, 09:07

Trapper Gus wrote: if a surface isn't wet unless it has a liquid on it then logically it is the liquid which causes the "wet" and therefore the liquid is wet.

Trapper tells us that if A causes B, "logically", that means A is B.

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by **Trapper Gus** 2022-11-23, 09:28

RQA wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote: if a surface isn't wet unless it has a liquid on it then logically it is the liquid which causes the "wet" and therefore the liquid is wet.

Trapper tells us that if A causes B, "logically", that means B is A.

You have mistaken my Implication for an Equality.

Implication Truth Table states that a True cannot Imply a False. "Mathematical Logic" by Stephen Cole Kleene pp9, logical operator's Truth Table.

The "True" in this case is that "a surface with water (or any liquid) on it is "wet" (we all agree this is true)

The implication then is that water (or liquid) creates the wetness. (This is a self-evident identity; with liquid surface is wet, without liquid surface is dry)

The further implication is that the wetness is a property of the liquid.

(logic - The wetness must be a property of either the liquid or the surface, since these are the only substances involved, and since the surface can exist without being wet it is not a property of the surface.)

QED "Water is Wet" is the only logically valid implication.

edit - the logic is further supported by the argument of the absurd, i.e. If water isn't "wet" than it must be "dry" which is the other state of "wet/dry", which is absurd, since anywhere there is water there is wet.

edit2 - all of this is only about one very narrow meaning of the word "wet". The broader usage, as given in the quotation from the OED, is that water is indeed "wet"

by **Motown Spartan** 2022-11-23, 09:43

I’m this thread, RQA has us arguing about water being wet.

by **steveschneider** 2022-11-23, 09:45

Seems like the GOP spends a lot of time whinging about woke people. Might have to buy a woke social justice warrior shirt just to piss off a few idiots.

by **GRR Spartan** 2022-11-23, 09:51

The Russian Quisling Agent, the Swill's poster from St Petersburg, is all about parroting FoxNews and OAN labels.

When he posted as Greenrocks and Lars on Wells he did the same damned thing

by **Trapper Gus** 2022-11-23, 09:59

Motown Spartan wrote:I’m this thread, RQA has us arguing about water being wet.

It's his thread and it has been hijacked from his topic -

edit - btw I'm guessing that the switch back to the former CEO has nothing to do with "wokeness" or "performance" and everything to do with internal politics in the C-suite at DIS

by RQA 2022-11-23, 10:31

Motown Spartan wrote:I’m this thread, RQA has us arguing about water being wet.

Actually it's something deeper than that. But thanks for your contributions.

by RQA 2022-11-23, 10:36

Trapper Gus wrote: btw I'm guessing that the switch back to the former CEO has nothing to do with "wokeness" or "performance" and everything to do with internal politics in the C-suite at DIS

CEO A: company performs financially and is held in high esteem by the general public. Future prospects seem bright.

CEO B: replaces CEO A. Company financials described by the WSJ as "catastrophic". Stock price plunges twice that of the Dow. Public opinion about the companies politics and products turns south.

Board ousts CEO B and rehires CEO A.

TG? " I'm guessing that the switch back to the former CEO has nothing to do with "wokeness" or "performance" and everything to do with internal politics"

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by **Trapper Gus** 2022-11-23, 10:55

RQA wrote:
Motown Spartan wrote:I’m this thread, RQA has us arguing about water being wet.

Actually it's something deeper than that. But thanks for your contributions.

deeper water perhaps

by **Trapper Gus** 2022-11-23, 10:57

RQA wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote: btw I'm guessing that the switch back to the former CEO has nothing to do with "wokeness" or "performance" and everything to do with internal politics in the C-suite at DIS

CEO A: company performs financially and is held in high esteem by the general public. Future prospects seem bright.

CEO B: replaces CEO A. Company financials described by the WSJ as "catastrophic". Stock price plunges twice that of the Dow. Public opinion about the companies politics and products turns south.

Board ousts CEO B and rehires CEO A.

TG? " I'm guessing that the switch back to the former CEO has nothing to do with "wokeness" or "performance" and everything to do with internal politics"

The absolute first rule of success is to be in the right place at the right time.

CEO A from a performance POV was golden once Trump fucked the economy and cut the corporate taxes.

CEO B was fucked from a performance POV once Trump brought covid to the US.

BTW, having CEO A still at the company was CEO B's biggest error, if he had anything to do with it. If CEO A was able to call the shot to stay onboard, then he never really was out of CEO chair, he just put a fall guy in place to blame for doing the risky things. if they went south.

by **Trapper Gus** 2022-11-23, 17:33

CNBC article on the situation which pretty much says what I have been saying.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/21/disney-chapek-iger-decision-makes-everyone-look-bad.html

by **Trapper Gus** 2022-12-20, 19:39

https://news.yahoo.com/reinstated-disney-ceo-bob-iger-145110147.html

To the surprise of no one except Herr RQA this was all about the "former guy" not wanting to give up the job in the first place and his knifing his successor in the back multiple times, nothing to do with being "woke"

by AvgMSUJoe 2022-12-20, 20:41

Trapper Gus wrote:https://news.yahoo.com/reinstated-disney-ceo-bob-iger-145110147.html

To the surprise of no one except Herr RQA this was all about the "former guy" not wanting to give up the job in the first place and his knifing his successor in the back multiple times, nothing to do with being "woke"

That and Disney+ kind of being a train wreck.

by **steveschneider** 2022-12-30, 14:09

Just looked at Disneys stock price. Maybe they should get that woke ceo back.

by **Trapper Gus** 2022-12-31, 07:27

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:https://news.yahoo.com/reinstated-disney-ceo-bob-iger-145110147.html

To the surprise of no one except Herr RQA this was all about the "former guy" not wanting to give up the job in the first place and his knifing his successor in the back multiple times, nothing to do with being "woke"
That and Disney+ kind of being a train wreck.

The part of the business the former and now current CEO purchased is the part which fucked up the mouse's balance sheets.

Effectively the CEO fucked up, jumped off the ship for a couple of years and forced someone else to be the fall guy, and then jumped back in as a pretend white knight.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-04-04, 16:01

In a way it is too bad that RQA isn't posting on the board anymore, as it seems the "anti-woke" CEO of "The Mouse" is way more "woke" than the former "woke" CEO.

In remarks during Disney's annual shareholder meeting later Monday, Iger addressed investor inquiries about the ongoing dispute between the company and Florida lawmakers. He noted that Disney has more than 75,000 employees in the state, has created thousands of indirect jobs, brings around 50 million visitors to Florida every year, and is the state’s largest taxpayer.

“A year ago, the company took a position on pending Florida legislation,” he said, apparently referring to DeSantis' bill to ban teaching about gender and sexual orientation from kindergarten to third grade. “And while the company may have not handled the position that it took very well, a company has a right to freedom of speech just like individuals do.”

Iger added: “The governor got very angry about the position Disney took and seems like he’s decided to retaliate against us, including the naming of a new board to oversee the property and the business. In effect, to seek to punish a company for its exercise of a constitutional right. And that just seems really wrong to me.”

Iger said Disney plans to spend more than $17 billion in investments at Walt Disney World over the next decade, which he estimated would create around 13,000 jobs at the company and generate even more taxes for Florida.

“Our point on this is that any action that supports those efforts simply to retaliate for a position the company took sounds not just anti-business, but it sounds anti-Florida,” he said. “And I’ll just leave it at that.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/desantis-disney-investigation-reedy-creek-florida-tourism-district-rcna77937

by **Motown Spartan** 2023-04-04, 16:10

Still waiting for the go woke go broke companies to go broke.

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