Caitlin Clark

Nordic wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:

Agree. Maybe she did sell it a bit, but so what. It made a much-needed point. That has to be so frustrating as a player. This is a problem, and somebody could get hurt. It would be nice if the NCAA would find a way to keep coaches and fans off the court.

Agree on the coaches. Not on the fans celebrating by storming the court or field after a game is part of the beauty of college sports. This wasn't some wacko maliciously out to get her. Caitlin has to pick her head up. She can drive by elite athletes, she should be able to dodge fatty coming from the baseline.

Sucks if she got injured.

I want to agree about the fans for the same reason, that it's part of what makes college sports great. Yet, I am more-or-less over it. Can we be sentimental about college sports while also monetizing every aspect and thinking of players as commodities? For me, we've drained college sports of its beauty.

While this fan was not acting maliciously, that says nothing about the potential for malicious action. We live in weird times, and I think it's unfair to ask players to navigate fans on the court while trying to return to the locker room. Not to mention, we have all been on the field or court after a tough loss and it's easy to get lost in your own thoughts as you immediately start replaying the game in your head looking for what went wrong.

That was a big win for OSU. Iowa has been ranked #1 this year, and Clark is a rock star.

Sucks that Iowa's not playing @ Breslin this year.

gomersbro wrote:The tradition of rushing the court is in it's last days. When is the last time someone stormed the field and tore down the goalposts (yes they don't come down like before) after a football game? We lose traditions because people can't act responsibly. I understand it. There is a safety issue lot of money at stake. But it is also sad.

If NCAA basketball brought to you by Draft Kings had odds for injury as a result of court storming then they would be keeping the option for court storming open.

The only way to stop students from storming the court is to put snipers on each side, like East/West Germany or the DMZ. Even then, I think a few parents will probably be able to stop making tuition payments.

Turtleneck wrote:

Nordic wrote:

Agree on the coaches. Not on the fans celebrating by storming the court or field after a game is part of the beauty of college sports. This wasn't some wacko maliciously out to get her. Caitlin has to pick her head up. She can drive by elite athletes, she should be able to dodge fatty coming from the baseline.

Sucks if she got injured.

I want to agree about the fans for the same reason, that it's part of what makes college sports great. Yet, I am more-or-less over it. Can we be sentimental about college sports while also monetizing every aspect and thinking of players as commodities? For me, we've drained college sports of its beauty.

While this fan was not acting maliciously, that says nothing about the potential for malicious action. We live in weird times, and I think it's unfair to ask players to navigate fans on the court while trying to return to the locker room. Not to mention, we have all been on the field or court after a tough loss and it's easy to get lost in your own thoughts as you immediately start replaying the game in your head looking for what went wrong.

Planning for physical on court security, no not cops with guns, more like ushers to open a path for the players, might be a good idea?

Trapper Gus wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:

I want to agree about the fans for the same reason, that it's part of what makes college sports great. Yet, I am more-or-less over it. Can we be sentimental about college sports while also monetizing every aspect and thinking of players as commodities? For me, we've drained college sports of its beauty.

While this fan was not acting maliciously, that says nothing about the potential for malicious action. We live in weird times, and I think it's unfair to ask players to navigate fans on the court while trying to return to the locker room. Not to mention, we have all been on the field or court after a tough loss and it's easy to get lost in your own thoughts as you immediately start replaying the game in your head looking for what went wrong.

Planning for physical on court security, no not cops with guns, more like ushers to open a path for the players, might be a good idea?

How about false endings with random times on the scoreboard? Students looking at the clock might think there’s xx amount of time left, when in reality only the timekeeper or refs know the real time, so they can whistle the game done and players run off the court, while the fans in the stands are left wondering what happened.

A write up on the incident from the AP, and what fallout might occur.

https://apnews.com/article/7f226a252df600432734db409d3b5b3e

tGreenWay wrote:A write up on the incident from the AP, and what fallout might occur.

https://apnews.com/article/7f226a252df600432734db409d3b5b3e

Markley said the Big Ten’s game management manual addresses security. Reading from the manual, he said “host institutions must provide adequate security and protection for the visiting teams and officials and their vehicles immediately upon arrival on campus continuing through their departure.”

Pretty good article and this time it is all on OSU security management for not being ready.

Pretty sure the Michigan tunnel incident is all on Michigan, but somehow MSU was fined a record amount and punished.

tGreenWay wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Planning for physical on court security, no not cops with guns, more like ushers to open a path for the players, might be a good idea?

How about false endings with random times on the scoreboard? Students looking at the clock might think there’s xx amount of time left, when in reality only the timekeeper or refs know the real time, so they can whistle the game done and players run off the court, while the fans in the stands are left wondering what happened.

Gotta switch it up between the half every once in a while... maybe even days early first, odd days late first... shouldn't be too difficult.

Oh wait, not talking bout the izzone.

It's fun to read her quote after watching the replay from the other angle:

“I was just trying to exit the court as quickly as possible, so I started running and I was absolutely just hammered by somebody trying to run onto the court. Basically blindsided and, you know, kind of scary, could have caused a pretty serious injury to me and knocked the wind out of me. But luckily my teammates kind of picked me up and got me off the court. Their AD already came and apologized to me, so I really appreciate that.”

Guessing the student knew he was running thru the Iowa players while rushing the court and if he ran into Clark or other players it was because they were in his way.

People in charge of every venue that hosts an Iowa women’s basketball game this season knows those high ticket sales aren’t so fans can watch Lisa Bluder coach.

They’re going to have campus police other law enforcement ready to escort the visiting team and its coaches to the locker room.

Rushing the court is a lot easier than rushing football fields. 5’+ walls haven’t stopped fans from jumping

GRR Spartan wrote:Guessing the student knew he was running thru the Iowa players while rushing the court and if he ran into Clark or other players it was because they were in his way.

People in charge of every venue that hosts an Iowa women’s basketball game this season knows those high ticket sales aren’t so fans can watch Lisa Bluder coach.

They’re going to have campus police other law enforcement ready to escort the visiting team and its coaches to the locker room.

Rushing the court is a lot easier than rushing football fields. 5’+ walls haven’t stopped fans from jumping

The fan got the worst of it.

tGreenWay wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Planning for physical on court security, no not cops with guns, more like ushers to open a path for the players, might be a good idea?

How about false endings with random times on the scoreboard? Students looking at the clock might think there’s xx amount of time left, when in reality only the timekeeper or refs know the real time, so they can whistle the game done and players run off the court, while the fans in the stands are left wondering what happened.

I think MSU tried this. In a football game. 2001. Against UM.

we can all agree that Caitlin flopped, right?

She flopped.

Turtleneck wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:



How about false endings with random times on the scoreboard? Students looking at the clock might think there’s xx amount of time left, when in reality only the timekeeper or refs know the real time, so they can whistle the game done and players run off the court, while the fans in the stands are left wondering what happened.

I think MSU tried this. In a football game. 2001. Against UM.

That’s what walvies say. I’m sure Larry Bielat and his sly grin would disagree.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:we can all agree that Caitlin flopped, right?

I want to like her because I know she's had to put up with all manner of misogynistic nonsense to become a female icon in a male-dominated sport, but her "classy" response to an incident that she initiated was utter horseshit. She flopped.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:we can all agree that Caitlin flopped, right?

Yeah, no Division one elite athlete falls that easy.

With that performance, should we await word that Clark is transferring to Wisconsin?

102 points away from being the all-time leading scorer in women's hoops.

And she averages 32.1 pts/game.

And.. not that she's coming back, but she's a junior.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:102 points away from being the all-time leading scorer in women's hoops.

And she averages 32.1 pts/game.

And.. not that she's coming back, but she's a junior.

Senior

On prime time Fox tonight.

Turtleneck wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:102 points away from being the all-time leading scorer in women's hoops.

And she averages 32.1 pts/game.

And.. not that she's coming back, but she's a junior.

Senior

okay - but does she have a covid year?

'Cause I've heard people talking about "she should come back", etc.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:

Senior

okay - but does she have a covid year?

'Cause I've heard people talking about "she should come back", etc.

She could play one more year.

NigelUno wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: okay - but does she have a covid year?

'Cause I've heard people talking about "she should come back", etc.

She could play one more year.

And probably make more money than she would in the WNBA

duffy munn wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

She could play one more year.

And probably make more money than she would in the WNBA

Not sure I’ve ever seen a WNBA game in prime time on a major network. Fox loves her.

NigelUno wrote:

duffy munn wrote:

And probably make more money than she would in the WNBA

Not sure I’ve ever seen a WNBA game in prime time on a major network. Fox loves her.

The finals maybe. I also don't think I've seen a WNBA on a national tv commercial

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:

Senior

okay - but does she have a covid year?

'Cause I've heard people talking about "she should come back", etc.

Yes on Covid year. Indiana Fever have the #1 pick in the WNBA draft, so she could remain in the Midwest if that matters. Not sure it does, but she does seem to really embrace the Midwest.

duffy munn wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

Not sure I’ve ever seen a WNBA game in prime time on a major network. Fox loves her.

The finals maybe. I also don't think I've seen a WNBA on a national tv commercial

Players? State Farm, Google, CarMax, Gatorade, Under Armor off the top of my head. WNBA players are in lots of ads relative to years ago.

Turtleneck wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: okay - but does she have a covid year?

'Cause I've heard people talking about "she should come back", etc.

Yes on Covid year. Indiana Fever have the #1 pick in the WNBA draft, so she could remain in the Midwest if that matters. Not sure it does, but she does seem to really embrace the Midwest.

Boston and Clark would be a combo

Is she going to play for the Celtics?

Either way, she will likely be on the Olympic team in Paris. That will be fun.

Turtleneck wrote:Is she going to play for the Celtics?

Either way, she will likely be on the Olympic team in Paris. That will be fun.

Imagine thinking I was talking about that Boston

Holy shit it went right over my head. Wow. I will delete my account now.

Man Swoops, really hates Clark. This is full of lies, and it seems like it was purposeful.

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DWags wrote:Man Swoops, really hates Clark. This is full of lies, and it seems like it was purposeful.

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There is some jealousy going on there. It's hard for athletes who have been "all that" all their lives to share the stage or allow themselves to be upstaged.

In the same interview, Swoopes said Clark was 25 playing against 20 year olds. Nobody even bothers to correct her even though it’s on a podcast or whatever about basketball. Gilbert Arenas has always been better at being an idiot than he was at basketball, and he was good at basketball.

Trapper Gus wrote:

DWags wrote:Man Swoops, really hates Clark. This is full of lies, and it seems like it was purposeful.

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There is some jealousy going on there. It's hard for athletes who have been "all that" all their lives to share the stage or allow themselves to be upstaged.

I'm not the biggest Clark fan but Clark has played 15 or 16 less total games than Plum is you go investigating the comments

aualum06 wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

There is some jealousy going on there. It's hard for athletes who have been "all that" all their lives to share the stage or allow themselves to be upstaged.

I'm not the biggest Clark fan but Clark has played 15 or 16 less total games than Plum is you go investigating the comments

making the comments even worse. Reeks of Isiah saying if Bird was black he would just be another player.

I am sure there is a reason why the Iowa WBB social media people randomly tweeted this today.

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Maybe Swoopes is upset by what she perceives as racial bias, that previous black players were comparatively ignored. If true, I understand, but think it is a misperception. Even if that is entirely the case, Clark is not a mediocre player propped up for TV. She is an incredible talent who clearly works extraordinarily hard at her craft. She is the real deal.

I think Trapper is right, it is probably more jealousy than anything. However, Swoopes should be mad at the system, not Clark. Everything about college sports is monetized, including turning players into commodities not unlike professional sports. It was only a matter of time before they found a women’s CBB player with the kind of skillset, it is perfect that it is a versatile guard with unlimited range, to get people to watch and gamble on the sport. Not to mention, Swoopes played before social media and YouTube, so visibility and marketing the sport was much harder. A lot of great women players went without media attention because it was difficult to circulate their highlights and publicize them. Clark is just playing her best, working hard, and it is the system that is doing the rest.