Is Taylor Swift the Modern Yoko?

steveschneider wrote:“Taylor Swift is Yoko Ono-ing the Chiefs,”

https://pagesix.com/2023/12/26/entertainment/taylor-swift-compared-to-yoko-ono-as-chiefs-lose-again-amid-travis-kelce-romance/amp/

Making Yoko a verb? Looks like there’s a big time internet fight after the Chiefs have lost 5 of their last 8 games.

“People saying Taylor Swift is like Yoko Ono is so accurate cause it’s a woman being blamed for a man’s ‘failures’ that she had literally nothing to do with,”

Please don’t shoot the messenger. I’m just posting for a discussion.

Trapper Gus wrote:

steveschneider wrote:“Taylor Swift is Yoko Ono-ing the Chiefs,”

https://pagesix.com/2023/12/26/entertainment/taylor-swift-compared-to-yoko-ono-as-chiefs-lose-again-amid-travis-kelce-romance/amp/

Making Yoko a verb? Looks like there’s a big time internet fight after the Chiefs have lost 5 of their last 8 games.

“People saying Taylor Swift is like Yoko Ono is so accurate cause it’s a woman being blamed for a man’s ‘failures’ that she had literally nothing to do with,”

Please don’t shoot the messenger. I’m just posting for a discussion.

I'm confused.

What discussion are you trying to have?

That sociality is still afraid of powerful women.

That people really have no idea of Yoko Ona's talented life that she led before & after be met John.

That John chased her, she wasn't originally that interested?

WTF are you asking.

steveschneider wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

I'm confused.

What discussion are you trying to have?

That sociality is still afraid of powerful women.

That people really have no idea of Yoko Ona's talented life that she led before & after be met John.

That John chased her, she wasn't originally that interested?

WTF are you asking.

I’m just looking for a discussion and opinions on this big internet fight that is happening.

Jake from State Farm wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

I’m just looking for a discussion and opinions on this big internet fight that is happening.

The internet needs a weekly outrage or it will self destruct.

NigelUno wrote:I am outraged that Trapper didn't understand the reference.  

Trapper Gus wrote:

NigelUno wrote:I am outraged that Trapper didn't understand the reference.  

I know a bit about her, however.

I know who Tayloe Swift is, and a couple of weeks ago I had my SO point out some of her songs on the radio, so I sort of know what she sounds like.

I get that insecure mem will blame random events on successful women, so I do at least understand that bit.

NigelUno wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

I know a bit about her, however.

I know who Tayloe Swift is, and a couple of weeks ago I had my SO point out some of her songs on the radio, so I sort of know what she sounds like.

I get that insecure mem will blame random events on successful women, so I do at least understand that bit.

I'm not an expert on Yoko, but what was she successful at?

Breaking up the Beatles?

Trapper Gus wrote:

NigelUno wrote:I am outraged that Trapper didn't understand the reference.  

I know a bit about her, however.

I know who Tayloe Swift is, and a couple of weeks ago I had my SO point out some of her songs on the radio, so I sort of know what she sounds like.

I get that insecure mem will blame random events on successful women, so I do at least understand that bit.

NigelUno wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

I know a bit about her, however.

I know who Tayloe Swift is, and a couple of weeks ago I had my SO point out some of her songs on the radio, so I sort of know what she sounds like.

I get that insecure mem will blame random events on successful women, so I do at least understand that bit.

I'm not an expert on Yoko, but what was she successful at?

Breaking up the Beatles?

“Imagine” was the biggest hit of Lennon’s post-Beatles career. The song was recorded in 1971, and, over the years, it has become a kind of world anthem, covered by countless artists, and played in the opening ceremonies at the Olympics and in Times Square on New Year’s Eve. Pretty much everybody can hum the tune.

It’s easy to enjoy the song and embrace the sentiments but to think of it as expressing a kind of harmless flower-power utopianism. That’s a misapprehension. “Imagine” is utopian, but it is also a work of conceptual art. It’s an instruction piece. “Imagine it in your mind,” as she told her little brother, had—improbably, but that’s the way culture works—ricocheted across time and space to end up, twenty-six years later, in the words of a song heard by millions.

When the record was released, one of Ono’s instruction pieces from “Grapefruit” was printed on the back cover: “Imagine the clouds dripping. Dig a hole in your garden to put them in.” Later, Lennon said that it was sexist of him not to have listed Ono as a co-writer, given that the idea and much of the lyrics were hers. Somehow, though, he never did anything about it. But the world does go round, and in 2017 the National Music Publishers’ Association announced that, henceforth, Yoko Ono would be credited as a co-writer on “Imagine.”

Trapper Gus wrote:

NigelUno wrote:I am outraged that Trapper didn't understand the reference.  

I know a bit about her, however.

I know who Tayloe Swift is, and a couple of weeks ago I had my SO point out some of her songs on the radio, so I sort of know what she sounds like.

I get that insecure mem will blame random events on successful women, so I do at least understand that bit.

Turtleneck wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

I know a bit about her, however.

I know who Tayloe Swift is, and a couple of weeks ago I had my SO point out some of her songs on the radio, so I sort of know what she sounds like.

I get that insecure mem will blame random events on successful women, so I do at least understand that bit.

You are one their leaders after that "she wore a t-shirt with letters on the chest" nonsense.

Motown Spartan wrote:Counter point…

NigelUno wrote:I think all of Taylor Swift's ex-boyfriends should be given co-credit on her songs.  

Pervis Muldoon wrote:I like Taylor Swift and respect her success, but it's legit to think she may be playing a role in the Chiefs' recent struggles. Put yourself in the shoes of a random player on that team. Kelce was a bit annoying before Taylor came along, and now they're all anyone wants to talk about. Honestly, if I had won a Super Bowl or two on that team, I wouldn't mind bowing out of the playoffs early this year.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Pervis Muldoon wrote:I like Taylor Swift and respect her success, but it's legit to think she may be playing a role in the Chiefs' recent struggles. Put yourself in the shoes of a random player on that team. Kelce was a bit annoying before Taylor came along, and now they're all anyone wants to talk about. Honestly, if I had won a Super Bowl or two on that team, I wouldn't mind bowing out of the playoffs early this year.

Oh please, just because she is a successful woman is what this is about.  

Do you really think that all the entire Chiefs football organization is thinking about is Taylor?

Apology if you were being sarcastic, it is the one thing I never get unless marked.

Trapper Gus wrote:

NigelUno wrote:I think all of Taylor Swift's ex-boyfriends should be given co-credit on her songs.  

And you guys were all over me about (unintentionally) dissing a woman....

Motown Spartan wrote:People are allowed to diss women. They are not allowed to diss women because they are women. And dissing successful women isn't inherently sexist nor automatically make a man insecure or weak.

Tell me Trapper, how do you feel about Nikki Haley?

NigelUno wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

And you guys were all over me about (unintentionally) dissing a woman....

Her success has come at the expense of men that she dates and then throws away.  If she's paying for their therapy, then I'm OK with it.    

Trapper Gus wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

Her success has come at the expense of men that she dates and then throws away.  If she's paying for their therapy, then I'm OK with it.    

You guys are just digging yourselves a deeper hole.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Motown Spartan wrote:People are allowed to diss women. They are not allowed to diss women because they are women. And dissing successful women isn't inherently sexist nor automatically make a man insecure or weak.

Tell me Trapper, how do you feel about Nikki Haley?

What this tread is about is pretty close to "because they are woman."

Do you really think there would be all this noise if one of the players was good friends a very famous man who was coming to the games?

Haley has awful views of how the country should be run, but all Republicans do. (You do know my favs were Senator Warren in 2020 & Secretary Clinton in 2016 & 2008)

Trapper Gus wrote:

Motown Spartan wrote:People are allowed to diss women. They are not allowed to diss women because they are women. And dissing successful women isn't inherently sexist nor automatically make a man insecure or weak.

Tell me Trapper, how do you feel about Nikki Haley?

What this tread is about is pretty close to "because they are woman."

Do you really think there would be all this noise if one of the players was good friends a very famous man who was coming to the games?

Haley has awful views of how the country should be run, but all Republicans do.  (You do know my favs were Senator Warren in 2020 & Secretary Clinton in 2016 & 2008)

Pervis Muldoon wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

What this tread is about is pretty close to "because they are woman."

Do you really think there would be all this noise if one of the players was good friends a very famous man who was coming to the games?

Haley has awful views of how the country should be run, but all Republicans do.  (You do know my favs were Senator Warren in 2020 & Secretary Clinton in 2016 & 2008)

If Caitlin Clark was dating Donald Trump and he came to her games, I think that would impact her teammates.

NigelUno wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

What this tread is about is pretty close to "because they are woman."

Do you really think there would be all this noise if one of the players was good friends a very famous man who was coming to the games?

Haley has awful views of how the country should be run, but all Republicans do.  (You do know my favs were Senator Warren in 2020 & Secretary Clinton in 2016 & 2008)

Kelce and Swifty are dating though.   They're not just friends.

Pervis Muldoon wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Oh please, just because she is a successful woman is what this is about.  

Do you really think that all the entire Chiefs football organization is thinking about is Taylor?

Apology if you were being sarcastic, it is the one thing I never get unless marked.

I like women, and Taylor earned her success. I have much more respect for her than I have for Kelce. But they are by far the most talked about couple in America, and I can't name who'd come in second. That's going to have an impact in the locker room.

Trapper Gus wrote:

NigelUno wrote:I think all of Taylor Swift's ex-boyfriends should be given co-credit on her songs.  

And you guys were all over me about (unintentionally) dissing a woman....

Pervis Muldoon wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

What this tread is about is pretty close to "because they are woman."

Do you really think there would be all this noise if one of the players was good friends a very famous man who was coming to the games?

Haley has awful views of how the country should be run, but all Republicans do. (You do know my favs were Senator Warren in 2020 & Secretary Clinton in 2016 & 2008)

If Caitlin Clark was dating Donald Trump and he came to her games, I think that would impact her teammates.

NigelUno wrote:Imagine all of TayTay's ex-boyfriends creating a support group.

It's easy if you try.