Can we have a non-political discussion about the ISIS airstrikes?

I tried to troll in tSwill bin about this topic but got no bites outside of Bob. Thanks, Bob.

Can someone school me on this? What does it all mean? What does it imply? Are we doing the right thing?

It seems the consensus that this is the right move, so I'm hoping I can learn without it getting moved to swill bin.

For the sake of brevity, no.

Non-political?

You're asking the impossible.

War is merely the continuation of politics by other means.
                                                                            -Carl von Clausewitz

Plus this will be over soon after Biden leads the Impeachment charge:

tTito wrote: Non-political?

My thoughts exactly.

It's about as straight forward an operation as you can get these days. This is a sophisticated enemy that a number of the U.S.'s regional allies are interested putting down. There are reports that they are now the best financed terrorist organization in the world, so something had to be done. Bombing within the borders of Syria is a risk, as neutral or U.S. sympathetic countries could see that as a threat, however, so far, the Syrians are not condemning the attacks. The risk of doing nothing is ISIL, ISIS, IS, whatever becoming a real state that can hold its own borders after seizing the Syrian's rather modern armament. Bottom line, war sucks, but this is rapidly spiraling out of control and so far, the measured approach of engaging a coalition has my support, for whatever that's worth.

Rocinante wrote:It's about as straight forward an operation as you can get these days. This is a sophisticated enemy that a number of the U.S.'s regional allies are interested putting down. There are reports that they are now the best financed terrorist organization in the world, so something had to be done. Bombing within the borders of Syria is a risk, as neutral or U.S. sympathetic countries could see that as a threat, however, so far, the Syrians are not condemning the attacks. The risk of doing nothing is ISIL, ISIS, IS, whatever becoming a real state that can hold its own borders after seizing the Syrian's rather modern armament. Bottom line, war sucks, but this is rapidly spiraling out of control and so far, the measured approach of engaging a coalition has my support, for whatever that's worth.

Thank you. This was pretty much exactly what I wanted. See how it's done, boys?

Invade their counties, kill their leaders, convert them to Christianity. I guess Obama believes in the first two.

LoneWolfSparty wrote:Invade their counties, kill their leaders, convert them to Christianity. I guess Obama believes in the first two.

and most of Congress you moran

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:I tried to troll in tSwill bin about this topic but got no bites outside of Bob. Thanks, Bob.

Can someone school me on this? What does it all mean? What does it imply? Are we doing the right thing?

It seems the consensus that this is the right move, so I'm hoping I can learn without it getting moved to swill bin.

It implies a bunch of terrorists playing backgammon in a cave until it gets quiet.

Rocinante wrote:It's about as straight forward an operation as you can get these days.  This is a sophisticated enemy that a number of the U.S.'s regional allies are interested putting down.  There are reports that they are now the best  financed terrorist organization in the world, so something had to be done.  Bombing within the borders of Syria is a risk, as neutral or U.S. sympathetic countries could see that as a threat, however, so far, the Syrians are not condemning the attacks.  The risk of doing nothing is ISIL, ISIS, IS, whatever becoming a real state that can hold its own borders after seizing the Syrian's rather modern armament.  Bottom line, war sucks, but this is rapidly spiraling out of control and so far, the measured approach of engaging a coalition has my support, for whatever that's worth.

Bombing is politically expedient, but the real war is/should be against the money.

Loose Stools wrote:
Bombing is politically expedient, but the real war is/should be against the money.

I don't understand what that means.

Stockpiled munitions were getting old and needed to be used before their expiration date. Plus, perfect opportunity to re-wind the national debt clock which had started to slow down a little

My original reaction is no. But, this group isn't making many friends, and if the intel is good then maybe.

If the intel is bag, then it's recruiting more terrorists.

Bag = bad. Cripes how do you edit on mobile? I went to desktop and it threw me in chat that I could not exit.

SawGreen wrote:Bag = bad. Cripes how do you edit on mobile?  I went to desktop and it threw me in chat that I could not exit.

Was there anyone else trapped in there?

LooseGoose wrote:
Was there anyone else trapped in there?

We lost some good posters in there

You want non-political discussion? Here it is:

Our military is ****ing badass. They have the best soldiers, weapons, ships, planes, toys, that exist. Mess with the US and you gonna get blowed up real good, bitch!

pulling69 wrote:You want non-political discussion? Here it is:

Our military is ****ing badass. They have the best soldiers, weapons, ships, planes, toys, that exist. Mess with the US and you gonna get blowed up real good, bitch!

All this time I had no idea that pulling was really Toby Keith!

Let Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia et al deal with it. They all have the military to do so.

Western involvement just prolongs the "whack-a jihadist" game.

Toe wrote:Let Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia et al deal with it. They all have the military to do so.

Western involvement just prolongs the "whack-a jihadist" game.

Or just nuke the entire region.

of the great things that President Obama has done for America and the middle east, one of the greatest is basically supporting countries like Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc from the air while they handle the more tedious and potentially deadly ground war.

It's nice to have a president who understands world affairs and can appreciate cultural nuances when it comes to modern international conflict.

that's leadership.

The Pantry wrote:Stockpiled munitions were getting old and needed to be used before their expiration date.

Even better than using them up, sell them to allies who then blow them up on the same target you wanted to blow up

The Pantry wrote:Plus, perfect opportunity to re-wind the national debt clock which had started to slow down a little

not really rewinding the debt, just making everyone look somewhere else - diversionary politics

If there is some attack in the USA, albeit even a small fairly ineffective attack, then no one will care about the national debt.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:of the great things that President Obama has done for America and the middle east, one of the greatest is basically supporting countries like Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc from the air while they handle the more tedious and potentially deadly ground war.

It's nice to have a president who understands world affairs and can appreciate cultural nuances when it comes to modern international conflict.

that's leadership.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/24/army-division-headquarters-deploy-iraq/16141945/

Rocinante wrote:It's about as straight forward an operation as you can get these days. This is a sophisticated enemy that a number of the U.S.'s regional allies are interested putting down. There are reports that they are now the best financed terrorist organization in the world, so something had to be done. Bombing within the borders of Syria is a risk, as neutral or U.S. sympathetic countries could see that as a threat, however, so far, the Syrians are not condemning the attacks. The risk of doing nothing is ISIL, ISIS, IS, whatever becoming a real state that can hold its own borders after seizing the Syrian's rather modern armament. Bottom line, war sucks, but this is rapidly spiraling out of control and so far, the measured approach of engaging a coalition has my support, for whatever that's worth.

We're helping Assad by bombing in Syria.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:of the great things that President Obama has done for America and the middle east, one of the greatest is basically supporting countries like Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc from the air while they handle the more tedious and potentially deadly ground war.

It's nice to have a president who understands world affairs and can appreciate cultural nuances when it comes to modern international conflict.

that's leadership.

The military machine sends it's thanks.

Jake from State Farm wrote:

The military machine sends it's thanks.

they're very welcome.

So apparently there is terrorist network called Khorasan Group that is in its final stages of executing an attack on America...but Ive been assured by liberals global warming is a more imminent threat and that ISIS was a jv team that couldnt attack us?

The_Dude wrote:In short, anything Bush did was terrible according to liberals.

Obama does same thing, even worse...and its awesome/no peep.

The constant hypocrisy of politics, especially with the Obama administration, is unheard of.

Kirsten Powers pretty much said this yesterday on Brett Baier's show. She was defending Obama's bombing and his withdrawal from Iraq. But being Bush for invading Iraq with congressional approval. LOL

Good ol consistent libs.

LoneWolfSparty wrote:

Kirsten Powers pretty much said this yesterday on Brett Baier's show. She was defending Obama's bombing and his withdrawal from Iraq. But being Bush for invading Iraq with congressional approval. LOL

Good ol consistent libs.

I am shocked that a president who ran on the premise he'd never get us entangled in a new wards or conflicts has started numerous, illegally, and there isn't one peep from Hollywood or the liberal press attacking him. Here's my shock face.

The_Dude wrote:So apparently there is terrorist network called Khorasan Group that is in its final stages of executing an attack on America...but Ive been assured by liberals global warming is a more imminent threat and that ISIS was a jv team that couldnt attack us?

those liberals are a disgusting bunch.. first they let Benghazi happen.. a tragic event that led to the death of 3,000 Americans on our home soil.. and now this.

they make me sick.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:of the great things that President Obama has done for America

I stopped reading right there because of the

Robert J Sakimano wrote:those liberals are a disgusting bunch.. first they let Benghazi happen.. a tragic event that led to the death of 3,000 Americans on our home soil.. and now this.

they make me sick.

Is global warming or isis a bigger threat to America? I cant keep it straight.

Maybe gay rights' is a bigger threat?

The dude shows up and this thread is about to end up in the swill bin. Thanks man. You seem like a very stable human being. Get a grip, lunatic.

The_Dude wrote:

Is global warming or isis a bigger threat to America? I cant keep it straight.

Maybe gay rights' is a bigger threat?

I think it's the fact that the community organizer Kenyan-born socialist Muslim saluted the Marines while holding a cup of coffee..

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:The dude shows up and this thread is about to end up in the swill bin. Thanks man. You seem like a very stable human being. Get a grip, lunatic.

You're right...it wasnt political until I came in here.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:The dude shows up and this thread is about to end up in the swill bin. Thanks man. You seem like a very stable human being. Get a grip, lunatic.

at least he's not advocating for the murder of unarmed black people while calling them "animals" like he did on the other board.

not yet, anyway.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I think it's the fact that the community organizer Kenyan-born socialist Muslim saluted the Marines while holding a cup of coffee..

In my opinion, the biggest threats to America right now are gay rights, global warming, hobby lobby, and maybe isis in 4th or 5th.

The_Dude wrote:

You're right...it wasnt political until I came in here.

It was actually doing ok until you got here. You're just going to turn this into another left vs right bitchfest. If you're anything like this in real life, you should get some help. Seriously.