Re: So how much longer will the Big 12 be a power conference?

by **tGreenWay** 7/24/2021, 10:23 pm

CORNER BLITZ wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

It would be truly shocking if um left to join that group. They know but won’t admit they’d be a perennial bottom dweller with hopes of occasionally reaching third or fourth place. Of course, they’ll use the excuse of not wanting to leave the B1G and its tradition of aacademic excellence, but we’ll know the real reason.

Would love to see Bama come up to Columbus in November though

Same, but Nick isn’t going to let that happen as long as he’s coaching.

by **steveschneider** 7/25/2021, 8:42 am

tGreenWay wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:

My dad went to Iowa, and it is a big rivalry for all sides. Probably underrated because it rarely has national significance (and never conference significance, of course). I have no idea if they fit the academic requirements, but they'd be a cool addition. Same with Pitt.

Adding Iowa State would be cool? Hmmm… We have different understandings of that word.

I think it would be a step up from Rutgers and Maryland. Also, at the time I thought adding Nebraska was a strong move and that turned out to be a bust. The conference has to get this next one right.

by **Turtleneck** 7/25/2021, 3:33 pm

Big 12 officials discuss extra revenue shares for Texas, Oklahoma as enticement not to leave for SEC
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/big-12-officials-discuss-extra-revenue-shares-for-texas-oklahoma-as-enticement-not-to-leave-for-sec/

by **Floyd Robertson** 7/26/2021, 10:21 am

Commence to play death march.

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by **Turtleneck** 7/26/2021, 10:34 am

Haha. Oklahoma is going to get a healthy serving of reality in the SEC.

by **tGreenWay** 7/26/2021, 7:12 pm

Now there’s rumors of the B1G inviting two or more schools from the PAC 12. USC, Oregon, Washington, and Colorado getting mentions, although other schools have been brought up, too.

https://thespun-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/thespun.com/pac-12/usc/college-football-world-reacts-to-big-ten-usc-rumors/amp#

by **Floyd Robertson** 7/26/2021, 7:25 pm

tGreenWay wrote:Now there’s rumors of the B1G inviting two or more schools from the PAC 12. USC, Oregon, Washington, and Colorado getting mentions, although other schools have been brought up, too.

https://thespun-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/thespun.com/pac-12/usc/college-football-world-reacts-to-big-ten-usc-rumors/amp#

Yay, then we could have B1G After Dark!

(that's what she said)

by **tGreenWay** 7/26/2021, 7:38 pm

Floyd Robertson wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:Now there’s rumors of the B1G inviting two or more schools from the PAC 12. USC, Oregon, Washington, and Colorado getting mentions, although other schools have been brought up, too.

https://thespun-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/thespun.com/pac-12/usc/college-football-world-reacts-to-big-ten-usc-rumors/amp#

Yay, then we could have B1G After Dark!

(that's what she said)

So how much longer will the Big 12 be a power conference? - Page 3 502811600

Somewhere, Hatch just got a pain in his side.

by **tGreenWay** 7/26/2021, 7:49 pm

This will be really interesting to watch play out. For the very reason you kidded about, I don’t know how realistic it would be to adding west coast schools. But the article says the ones that were mentioned are AAU members, which makes a difference. And from an aesthetics standpoint, the PAC 12 teams discussed would be a much more attractive draw than say, Iowa State, for example.

by **Turtleneck** 7/26/2021, 10:06 pm

tGreenWay wrote:This will be really interesting to watch play out. For the very reason you kidded about, I don’t know how realistic it would be to adding west coast schools. But the article says the ones that were mentioned are AAU members, which makes a difference. And from an aesthetics standpoint, the PAC 12 teams discussed would be a much more attractive draw than say, Iowa State, for example.

Did you know Notre Dame is not part of the AAU? Do you still want them in the Big 10?

The AAU, while consisting of top research universities, is largely about prestige. It's a fraction of the total number of four year colleges and universities and there are lots of excellent schools not part of the AAU. It's also funny listening to people wield the AAU as a reason for exclusion as if they actually spend much time thinking about academics, or more appropriately, institutional research capacity.

Syracuse, Boston College, Georgia, Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Baylor all enjoy solid academic reputations on par with MSU. None of them are in the AAU. They do not have the same extensive research capacity as MSU or the other AAU institutions, but they certainly provide high quality undergraduate educations and are good enough for the Big 10.

by **Heat Miser** 7/26/2021, 10:37 pm

Turtleneck wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:This will be really interesting to watch play out. For the very reason you kidded about, I don’t know how realistic it would be to adding west coast schools. But the article says the ones that were mentioned are AAU members, which makes a difference. And from an aesthetics standpoint, the PAC 12 teams discussed would be a much more attractive draw than say, Iowa State, for example.

Did you know Notre Dame is not part of the AAU? Do you still want them in the Big 10?

The AAU, while consisting of top research universities, is largely about prestige. It's a fraction of the total number of four year colleges and universities and there are lots of excellent schools not part of the AAU. It's also funny listening to people wield the AAU as a reason for exclusion as if they actually spend much time thinking about academics, or more appropriately, institutional research capacity.

Syracuse, Boston College, Georgia, Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Baylor all enjoy solid academic reputations on par with MSU. None of them are in the AAU. They do not have the same extensive research capacity as MSU or the other AAU institutions, but they certainly provide high quality undergraduate educations and are good enough for the Big 10.

The reason why AAU is brought up is $$$$$$ first, second, and third. AAU $$$ brought in by member schools actually dwarfs the $$$ from athletics. The academic angle is fourth at best. ISU is also in the AAU, but is nothing compared to the West Coast schools mentioned when it comes to TV market, athletic notoriety, etc. Again, $$$$$$.

by **Turtleneck** 7/26/2021, 11:31 pm

Heat Miser wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:

Did you know Notre Dame is not part of the AAU? Do you still want them in the Big 10?

The AAU, while consisting of top research universities, is largely about prestige. It's a fraction of the total number of four year colleges and universities and there are lots of excellent schools not part of the AAU. It's also funny listening to people wield the AAU as a reason for exclusion as if they actually spend much time thinking about academics, or more appropriately, institutional research capacity.

Syracuse, Boston College, Georgia, Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Baylor all enjoy solid academic reputations on par with MSU. None of them are in the AAU. They do not have the same extensive research capacity as MSU or the other AAU institutions, but they certainly provide high quality undergraduate educations and are good enough for the Big 10.

The reason why AAU is brought up is $$$$$$ first, second, and third. AAU $$$ brought in by member schools actually dwarfs the $$$ from athletics. The academic angle is fourth at best. ISU is also in the AAU, but is nothing compared to the West Coast schools mentioned when it comes to TV market, athletic notoriety, etc. Again, $$$$$$.

It's not like the AAU distributes money to member institutions or member institutions pool research dollars. Even if either were true, those funds would not be earmarked for athletics. The same goes for the Big 10 Academic Alliance.

Because the AAU consists of extensive research universities (it's about research more than academics and teaching), members are better suited to compete for grants and research dollars. You're right. It adds up to a lot of money, but the dollars are for scientific and academic purposes. I am struggling to see the connection to athletics.

To me, it seems more about about status and prestige. This can actually be just as important as dollars, right? It makes the Big 10 incredibly influential given its members are all major research universities with a track record of major scientific and social contributions plus established government connections at the highest level. In other words, major clout compared to other conferences. Only four members of the SEC are members of the AAU.

The other thing that I was getting at is when the "lay person" says they don't want a school because said school is not part of the AAU, like that person ever gives thought to anything other than sportz.

by **MiamiSpartan** 7/27/2021, 6:37 am

Do many people really say that the AAU is the reason that they personally don't want a school, or as a reason that a school is not realistic because the current schools may not allow a non-AAU institution. I really have always felt it's the latter.

by **NigelUno** 7/27/2021, 7:48 am

Heat Miser wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:

Did you know Notre Dame is not part of the AAU? Do you still want them in the Big 10?

The AAU, while consisting of top research universities, is largely about prestige. It's a fraction of the total number of four year colleges and universities and there are lots of excellent schools not part of the AAU. It's also funny listening to people wield the AAU as a reason for exclusion as if they actually spend much time thinking about academics, or more appropriately, institutional research capacity.

Syracuse, Boston College, Georgia, Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Baylor all enjoy solid academic reputations on par with MSU. None of them are in the AAU. They do not have the same extensive research capacity as MSU or the other AAU institutions, but they certainly provide high quality undergraduate educations and are good enough for the Big 10.

The reason why AAU is brought up is $$$$$$ first, second, and third. AAU $$$ brought in by member schools actually dwarfs the $$$ from athletics. The academic angle is fourth at best. ISU is also in the AAU, but is nothing compared to the West Coast schools mentioned when it comes to TV market, athletic notoriety, etc. Again, $$$$$$.

So, Iowa State joining the BigTen (instead of Clemson or Georgia) would be better financially for Michigan State?

by **DWags** 7/27/2021, 7:51 am

Not being educationally arrogant here , butdont the presidents have to sign off on any school joining? We aren’t Ivy League, but I think Heat said it best, isn’t it a money thing? Beyond the money, is it tied to research at your institution? I really don’t think the Big ten will accept any school just based on athletic fit. It has to be tied with what they can bring to the table in research money.

But who really knows anymore. Its a weird world we live in.

by **Floyd Robertson** 7/27/2021, 8:01 am

I would rather have an Iowa State, Kansas and KSU than any PAC12 school. Call me old-fashioned and midwest-centric. Nebraska was a good fit geographically. Rutgers and Maryland obviously not.

But like D Wags said, it's a weird world we live in.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 7/27/2021, 8:03 am

It’s a weird world we live in

by **Turtleneck** 7/27/2021, 8:16 am

DWags wrote:Not being educationally arrogant here , butdont the presidents have to sign off on any school joining? We aren’t Ivy League, but I think Heat said it best, isn’t it a money thing? Beyond the money, is it tied to research at your institution? I really don’t think the Big ten will accept any school just based on athletic fit. It has to be tied with what they can bring to the table in research money.

But who really knows anymore. Its
Floyd Robertson wrote:I would rather have an Iowa State, Kansas and KSU than any PAC12 school. Call me old-fashioned and midwest-centric. Nebraska was a good fit geographically. Rutgers and Maryland obviously not.

But like D Wags said, it's a weird world we live in.
a weird world we live in.

Same here, Floyd.

I think DWags is right about the role of university presidents. More than the Big 10 commissioner, this group has an interest in protecting the league’s reputation as top tier research schools.

I also think DWags is right about the world we live in. It’s weird.

by **NigelUno** 7/27/2021, 8:18 am

DWags wrote:Not being educationally arrogant here , butdont the presidents have to sign off on any school joining? We aren’t Ivy League, but I think Heat said it best, isn’t it a money thing? Beyond the money, is it tied to research at your institution? I really don’t think the Big ten will accept any school just based on athletic fit. It has to be tied with what they can bring to the table in research money.

But who really knows anymore. Its a weird world we live in.

Maybe schools that are in the AAU are also attractive from an athletic standpoint (and it's just a cute way of tying in academics/research). Of course the Big Ten would make an exception for Notre Dame.

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by **Turtleneck** 7/28/2021, 7:21 pm

Big 12 to ESPN: Stop Interfering With Our Conference’s Future

The Big 12 Conference has sent a cease and desist letter to ESPN, one of its own broadcast partners, asking the sports media giant to stop interfering with its business.

It’s the latest development in what could be a massive reorganization of power and money in college sports, kicked off earlier this week by Oklahoma and Texas announcing their intentions to leave the Big 12. The letter, dated Wednesday, tells the Disney unit to stop communicating with any remaining Big 12 members, and not to discuss those members with any other NCAA conference looking to expand, according to a copy published by Sports Illustrated.

https://www.sportico.com/law/news/2021/big12-espn-legal-fight-1234635708/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

by **tGreenWay** 7/28/2021, 7:28 pm

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:It’s a weird world we live in

Yep, just like Louis Armstrong sang about. What a weirdiful world.

by **tGreenWay** 7/28/2021, 7:36 pm

Turtleneck wrote:Big 12 to ESPN: Stop Interfering With Our Conference’s Future

The Big 12 Conference has sent a cease and desist letter to ESPN, one of its own broadcast partners, asking the sports media giant to stop interfering with its business.

It’s the latest development in what could be a massive reorganization of power and money in college sports, kicked off earlier this week by Oklahoma and Texas announcing their intentions to leave the Big 12. The letter, dated Wednesday, tells the Disney unit to stop communicating with any remaining Big 12 members, and not to discuss those members with any other NCAA conference looking to expand, according to a copy published by Sports Illustrated.

https://www.sportico.com/law/news/2021/big12-espn-legal-fight-1234635708/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Shoe companies interfere with star HS players’ choices in colleges. It’s no surprise bspn is sticking its nose into realignment. No doubt it isn’t the first time they’ve tried to make moves like this.

by **Turtleneck** 7/29/2021, 11:34 am

tGreenWay wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:Big 12 to ESPN: Stop Interfering With Our Conference’s Future

The Big 12 Conference has sent a cease and desist letter to ESPN, one of its own broadcast partners, asking the sports media giant to stop interfering with its business.

It’s the latest development in what could be a massive reorganization of power and money in college sports, kicked off earlier this week by Oklahoma and Texas announcing their intentions to leave the Big 12. The letter, dated Wednesday, tells the Disney unit to stop communicating with any remaining Big 12 members, and not to discuss those members with any other NCAA conference looking to expand, according to a copy published by Sports Illustrated.

https://www.sportico.com/law/news/2021/big12-espn-legal-fight-1234635708/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Shoe companies interfere with star HS players’ choices in colleges. It’s no surprise bspn is sticking its nose into realignment. No doubt it isn’t the first time they’ve tried to make moves like this.

I am caught somewhere between ESPN is for sure interfering and screw the Big 12 for thinking it's so special ESPN should not be allowed to report bad things.

by **tGreenWay** 7/29/2021, 3:12 pm

Turtleneck wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Shoe companies interfere with star HS players’ choices in colleges. It’s no surprise bspn is sticking its nose into realignment. No doubt it isn’t the first time they’ve tried to make moves like this.

I am caught somewhere between ESPN is for sure interfering and screw the Big 12 for thinking it's so special ESPN should not be allowed to report bad things.

I don’t know how the contracts are set up, but with my zero experience as an attorney, it seems like bspn is in danger of getting sued for tampering. But again, I don’t know the law or the facts involved, so I could be full of it, as usual.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 7/29/2021, 3:18 pm

Probably some kinda of hippa violation by espn too

by **tGreenWay** 7/29/2021, 3:22 pm

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Probably some kinda of hippa violation by espn too

Travis are you a medical doctor? No? Then maybe you should say you’re just speculating.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 7/29/2021, 3:23 pm

tGreenWay wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Probably some kinda of hippa violation by espn too

Travis are you a medical doctor? No? Then maybe you should say you’re just speculating.

That question you just asked is hipaa and I’m going to call the Marshall of the Supreme Court on you

by **DWags** 7/29/2021, 3:27 pm

I don’t know, I think it proves pretty much what we all knew. Also , it’s not that big of a leap to understand that they put pressure on writers etc to get preseason rankings out that are bs but help pump interest in games they will showcase. They have their favorite teams at that network and none of em are us.

by **tGreenWay** 7/29/2021, 3:30 pm

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Travis are you a medical doctor? No? Then maybe you should say you’re just speculating.

That question you just asked is hipaa and I’m going to call the Marshall of the Supreme Court on you

Bullshit. You aren’t even hipaa and everyone here knows it.

by **Nordic** 7/29/2021, 4:21 pm

Texas at their first SEC meeting

https://streamable.com/dbjm7a?fbclid=IwAR27_uLBo3mwsgCWwVuAC-voam8zH6ntifEYrpF8zfX2wI59wdnYRuRuyRg

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by **steveschneider** 8/3/2021, 9:36 am

aualum06 wrote:[tw]1422255062185910274?s=19[/tw]

That's crazy.

by **Turtleneck** 8/3/2021, 9:47 am

This had to hurt.

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https://twitter.com/WUTangKids/status/1422554285221556226?s=20

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 8/3/2021, 9:49 am

That tweet was deleted Mr Neck

by **Turtleneck** 8/3/2021, 9:55 am

It's back up.

by AvgMSUJoe 8/3/2021, 10:59 am

I don't get it... Why would being a middle of the road SEC team be better then "being in the conversation" every year.
Especially if they bump the playoffs to 16 (or whatever)... more guaranteed losses and ZERO chance of winning the league wont show well to the selection committee.
It only MUST come down to the SEC network money. (I thought texas had their own network?)

by **Turtleneck** 8/3/2021, 11:07 am

AvgMSUJoe wrote:I don't get it... Why would being a middle of the road SEC team be better then "being in the conversation" every year.
Especially if they bump the playoffs to 16 (or whatever)... more guaranteed losses and ZERO chance of winning the league wont show well to the selection committee.
It only MUST come down to the SEC network money. (I thought texas had their own network?)

It has to be about the money. I don't see either Texas or OU being more competitive in the SEC. OU has a great route to the CFP in the Big 12. Less so in the SEC.

by borrachone 8/3/2021, 11:19 am

Always about the $.

by **Turtleneck** 8/3/2021, 12:04 pm

by aualum06 8/3/2021, 6:13 pm

Sounds like Kansas is headed to the big 10

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