The political hodge podge thread

[Guest]

So I can have a thread where I'm never off topic.


Part of the Left's ongoing outreach, open-mindedness and tolerance.

[DWags]

I'd bet a dollar to a donut those people in that picture would do much more for pregnant abused women than 99% of my right wing friends that bitch about both.

[Guest]

I'd bet a dollar to a donut those people in that picture would do much more for pregnant abused women than 99% of my right wing friends that bitch about both.

Yes, the heartless right. The ones that spend their own time and $$ rather than hire the government to do it.

Enjoy this.

VIDEO: Passengers cheer as woman berating Trump supporter is kicked off plane

An elderly woman demanded a Donald Trump supporter seated next to her be moved, but she quickly found out that’s not how the world works.

Scott Koteskey, in a window seat, posted video on Saturday showing a woman in the middle seat complaining about him to airline personnel.

[DWags]

I'd bet a dollar to a donut those people in that picture would do much more for pregnant abused women than 99% of my right wing friends that bitch about both.

Yes, the heartless right. The ones that spend their own time and $$ rather than hire the government to do it.

Enjoy this.

VIDEO: Passengers cheer as woman berating Trump supporter is kicked off plane

An elderly woman demanded a Donald Trump supporter seated next to her be moved, but she quickly found out that’s not how the world works.

Scott Koteskey, in a window seat, posted video on Saturday showing a woman in the middle seat complaining about him to airline personnel.

Again, I'd bet a dollar to a donut. Id win easy.

[Guest]

Yes, the heartless right.   The ones that spend their own time and $$ rather than hire the government to do it.

Enjoy this.

VIDEO: Passengers cheer as woman berating Trump supporter is kicked off plane

Again, I'd bet a dollar to a donut. Id win easy.  

Did you ever research charitable giving from Red areas vs Blue areas?   Might be an eye opener as you enjoy your donut.

Gosh from those noted RightWingRags Huffington Post, Politico and the Washington Post.

2012
Study: Red states more charitable

2013
One Thing Red States Do Better Than Blue States (INFOGRAPHIC)

2014
The Fix Red states give more to charity. It’s because of religion.

And you can argue all day you don't mean just money, but $$ is a tell.   They give $$ and time.

Something else caught our attention. Of the states that gave the most to charity in 2012, the top 17 all voted for Mitt Romney that year. The bottom seven states in giving all voted for Obama.

[Guest]

Golly Gee - anyone want to continue with the hard hearted Right wingers vs the generously giving liberals argument???

[DWags]

But headlines can mislead. The main terrorist threat in the United States is not from violent Muslim extremists, but from right-wing extremists. Just ask the police.

In a survey we conducted with the Police Executive Research Forum last year of 382 law enforcement agencies, 74 percent reported anti-government extremism as one of the top three terrorist threats in their jurisdiction; 39 percent listed extremism connected with Al Qaeda or like-minded terrorist organizations. And only 3 percent identified the threat from Muslim extremists as severe, compared with 7 percent for anti-government and other forms of extremism.

The self-proclaimed Islamic State’s efforts to radicalize American Muslims, which began just after the survey ended, may have increased threat perceptions somewhat, but not by much, as we found in follow-up interviews over the past year with counterterrorism specialists at 19 law enforcement agencies. These officers, selected from urban and rural areas around the country, said that radicalization from the Middle East was a concern, but not as dangerous as radicalization among right-wing extremists.

An officer from a large metropolitan area said that “militias, neo-Nazis and sovereign citizens” are the biggest threat we face in regard to extremism. One officer explained that he ranked the right-wing threat higher because “it is an emerging threat that we don’t have as good of a grip on, even with our intelligence unit, as we do with the Al Shabab/Al Qaeda issue, which we have been dealing with for some time.” An officer on the West Coast explained that the “sovereign citizen” anti-government threat has “really taken off,” whereas terrorism by American Muslim is something “we just haven’t experienced yet.”Sweet right wingers. Sweet right wingers.

[DWags]

Again, I'd bet a dollar to a donut. Id win easy.  

Did you ever research charitable giving from Red areas vs Blue areas?   Might be an eye opener as you enjoy your donut.

Gosh from those noted RightWingRags Huffington Post, Politico and the Washington Post.

2012
Study: Red states more charitable

2013
One Thing Red States Do Better Than Blue States (INFOGRAPHIC)

2014
The Fix Red states give more to charity. It’s because of religion.

And you can argue all day you don't mean just money, but $$ is a tell.   They give $$ and time.

Something else caught our attention. Of the states that gave the most to charity in 2012, the top 17 all voted for Mitt Romney that year. The bottom seven states in giving all voted for Obama.

So dumb. So so dumb.

The research adds to two additional studies looking at attitudes around children’s charities. Focusing on the participants who value morals highly, the researchers found that when the charity description emphasized protection from harm, Democrats were much more likely than Republicans to donate. But when the charity description emphasized purity and loyalty to community, Republicans were more likely than Democrats to give their money.

We found that while both Republicans and Democrats tend to equally value justice and caring for the vulnerable, Republicans place a much higher value on issues of purity and respect for authority,” said Karen Page Winterich, study co-author and assistant professor of marketing at Pennsylvania State University. “Given these differences, Republicans are more inclined to donate to a charity when these values of purity and respect are met, whereas Democrats are more inclined to donate when the emphasis is purely on equality or protection rather than respect or purity.”


Giving differentlt

Again, I'd bet a dollar to a donut the people in the picture would do more for a pregnant woman than the right wingers I know. And I'd be right.

Finally, you can say donating time isn't applicable ( I completely expect you to say that) but you'd be more wrong than you already are. And that's very wrong.
But thanks for playing.

[Cameron]

So I can have a thread where I'm never off topic.


Part of the Left's ongoing outreach, open-mindedness and tolerance.

Setting aside the fact that that sign is total nonsense, Goose, do you consider those two to be representative of the anti-Trump left as a whole? Or are they just a humorous outlier to you?

[DWags]

How to culture jam a populist- And make no mistake, Trump is a populist

The recipe is universal. Find a wound common to many, someone to blame for it and a good story to tell. Mix it all together. Tell the wounded you know how they feel. That you found the bad guys. Label them: the minorities, the politicians, the businessmen. Cartoon them. As vermin, evil masterminds, flavourless hipsters, you name it. Then paint yourself as the saviour. Capture their imagination. Forget about policies and plans, just enrapture them with a good story. One that starts in anger and ends in vengeance. A vengeance they can participate in.

That’s how it becomes a movement. There’s something soothing in all that anger. Though full of hatred, it promises redemption. Populism can’t cure your suffering, but it can do something almost as good — better in some ways: it can build a satisfying narrative around it. A fictionalized account of your misery. A promise to make sense of your hurt. It is them. It’s been them all along.

[Watch Out Pylon!]

Trump getting sued again. Any bets on what country they're talking about?

I wonder what kind of alternative facts will be brought up this time.

[Robert J Sakimano]

love how the snowflakes who supported a candidate whose campaign was rooted in racism, sexism, bigotry, misogyny and xenophobia suddenly want everyone to be nice and polite..

[Guest]

So I can have a thread where I'm never off topic.


Part of the Left's ongoing outreach, open-mindedness and tolerance.

Setting aside the fact that that sign is total nonsense, Goose, do you consider those two to be representative of the anti-Trump left as a whole? Or are they just a humorous outlier to you?

They're not representative of the anti-Trump left, they would be closer to the mainstream of the members of the Women's march.

Of course the pictures/caricatures we get of both sides are not going to be the bland middle are they? That doesn't sell papers/generate clicks.

[Guest]

Again, I'd bet a dollar to a donut the people in the picture would do more for a pregnant woman than the right wingers I know. And I'd be right.

Finally, you can say donating time isn't applicable ( I completely expect you to say that) but you'd be more wrong than you already are. And that's very wrong. But thanks for playing.

I never said donating time wasn't applicable, in fact I referenced donating time in my posts.  More proof you don't read what I write and hasten to jump to conclusions.  The actual quotes:

Yes, the heartless right. The ones that spend their own time and $$ rather than hire the government to do it.

And you can argue all day you don't mean just money, but $$ is a tell.   They give $$ and time.

How you jump from there to claim I'll say time isn't applicable is mystifying.  

And dispute the charitable giving studies all you want but you're getting close to Trumpian alternative facts and can't refute this one:

Something else caught our attention. Of the states that gave the most to charity in 2012, the top 17 all voted for Mitt Romney that year. The bottom seven states in giving all voted for Obama.

And one more thing - you qualify your statement with "the right wingers I know" - perhaps you need to meet a better quality right winger......or think a bit about your hometown people that voted Trump.   Are you really saying they wouldn't help out??

[Robert J Sakimano]

Again, I'd bet a dollar to a donut the people in the picture would do more for a pregnant woman than the right wingers I know. And I'd be right.

Finally, you can say donating time isn't applicable ( I completely expect you to say that) but you'd be more wrong than you already are. And that's very wrong. But thanks for playing.

I never said donating time wasn't applicable, in fact I referenced donating time in my post. More proof you don't read what I write and hasten to jump to conclusions. The actual quotes:

Yes, the heartless right. The ones that spend their own time and $$ rather than hire the government to do it.

And you can argue all day you don't mean just money, but $$ is a tell. They give $$ and time.

How you jump from there to claim I'll say time isn't applicable is mystifying.

And dispute the charitable giving studies all you want but you're getting close to Trumpian alternative facts and can't refute this one:

Something else caught our attention. Of the states that gave the most to charity in 2012, the top 17 all voted for Mitt Romney that year. The bottom seven states in giving all voted for Obama.

And one more thing - you qualify your statement with "the right wingers I know" - perhaps you need to meet a better quality right winger......or think a bit about your hometown people that voted Trump. Are you really saying they would help out??

yeah.. and, if you do, feel free to introduce him/her to me. I'd like to meet one.

[Guest]

I never said donating time wasn't applicable, in fact I referenced donating time in my post. More proof you don't read what I write and hasten to jump to conclusions. The actual quotes:



How you jump from there to claim I'll say time isn't applicable is mystifying.

And dispute the charitable giving studies all you want but you're getting close to Trumpian alternative facts and can't refute this one:



And one more thing - you qualify your statement with "the right wingers I know" - perhaps you need to meet a better quality right winger......or think a bit about your hometown people that voted Trump. Are you really saying they would help out??

yeah.. and, if you do, feel free to introduce him/her to me. I'd like to meet one.

Drop your name and address and I'll make it happen.

[Herbie Green]

Again, I'd bet a dollar to a donut. Id win easy.  

Did you ever research charitable giving from Red areas vs Blue areas?   Might be an eye opener as you enjoy your donut.

Gosh from those noted RightWingRags Huffington Post, Politico and the Washington Post.

2012
Study: Red states more charitable

2013
One Thing Red States Do Better Than Blue States (INFOGRAPHIC)

2014
The Fix Red states give more to charity. It’s because of religion.

And you can argue all day you don't mean just money, but $$ is a tell.   They give $$ and time.

Something else caught our attention. Of the states that gave the most to charity in 2012, the top 17 all voted for Mitt Romney that year. The bottom seven states in giving all voted for Obama.

Couldn't this essentially mean that Republicans donate more to the church? The first article mentions Utah is #1 which is not surprising since mormons give 10% of their salary to the church

[Robert J Sakimano]

yeah.. and, if you do, feel free to introduce him/her to me. I'd like to meet one.

Drop your name and address and I'll make it happen.

will they shoot me?

or try to make me pray to some sort of jesus-y type character?

[DWags]

Again, I'd bet a dollar to a donut the people in the picture would do more for a pregnant woman than the right wingers I know. And I'd be right.

Finally, you can say donating time isn't applicable ( I completely expect you to say that) but you'd be more wrong than you already are. And that's very wrong. But thanks for playing.

I never said donating time wasn't applicable, in fact I referenced donating time in my posts.  More proof you don't read what I write and hasten to jump to conclusions.  The actual quotes:

Yes, the heartless right. The ones that spend their own time and $$ rather than hire the government to do it.

And you can argue all day you don't mean just money, but $$ is a tell.   They give $$ and time.

How you jump from there to claim I'll say time isn't applicable is mystifying.  

And dispute the charitable giving studies all you want but you're getting close to Trumpian alternative facts and can't refute this one:

Something else caught our attention. Of the states that gave the most to charity in 2012, the top 17 all voted for Mitt Romney that year. The bottom seven states in giving all voted for Obama.

And one more thing - you qualify your statement with "the right wingers I know" - perhaps you need to meet a better quality right winger......or think a bit about your hometown people that voted Trump.   Are you really saying they wouldn't help out??

Still, when confronted with facts as to who they're giving money to, you'll say "they gave money".

I started and I'll finish with I guarantee you that those two people in the picture would be way more likely to help a pregnant women than a right winger.

As you won't comment on what charities democrats and republicans are more likely to give to, you'll stupidly keep saying "Blue states give less" or whatever.

I'd bet a dollar to a donut, and I would of course be correct.

Here, quote this part of the post you refuse to:

So dumb. So so dumb.

The research adds to two additional studies looking at attitudes around children’s charities. Focusing on the participants who value morals highly, the researchers found that when the charity description emphasized protection from harm, Democrats were much more likely than Republicans to donate. But when the charity description emphasized purity and loyalty to community, Republicans were more likely than Democrats to give their money.

We found that while both Republicans and Democrats tend to equally value justice and caring for the vulnerable, Republicans place a much higher value on issues of purity and respect for authority,” said Karen Page Winterich, study co-author and assistant professor of marketing at Pennsylvania State University. “Given these differences, Republicans are more inclined to donate to a charity when these values of purity and respect are met, whereas Democrats are more inclined to donate when the emphasis is purely on equality or protection rather than respect or purity.”


Giving differently

Again, I'd bet a dollar to a donut the people in the picture would do more for a pregnant woman than the right wingers I know. And I'd be right.

[Guest]

Drop your name and address and I'll make it happen.

will they shoot me?

or try to make me pray to some sort of jesus-y type character?

They'll only shoot you if they're a peaceable Liberal that has deduced you're a White Supremicist. It won't matter that you voted for Bernie.

Man shot at UW no racist, friends insist, despite shooter’s claim

Two people who said they are friends with the wounded man disputed the characterization of him as a supremacist. One said his friend supported Bernie Sanders in the Democratic presidential primary, and both said he sports an anti-hate tattoo that consists of a black swastika surrounded by a red circle with a slash through it.

[Guest]

Did you ever research charitable giving from Red areas vs Blue areas?   Might be an eye opener as you enjoy your donut.

Gosh from those noted RightWingRags Huffington Post, Politico and the Washington Post.

2012
Study: Red states more charitable

2013
One Thing Red States Do Better Than Blue States (INFOGRAPHIC)

2014
The Fix Red states give more to charity. It’s because of religion.

And you can argue all day you don't mean just money, but $$ is a tell.   They give $$ and time.

Couldn't this essentially mean that Republicans donate more to the church? The first article mentions Utah is #1 which is not surprising since mormons give 10% of their salary to the church

Herbie? Churches count as charitable giving for everyone, Dems and Reps. Always have. Many, many churches do good things in the community no matter how much Libs like to hate on them.

[Robert J Sakimano]

will they shoot me?

or try to make me pray to some sort of jesus-y type character?

They'll  only shoot you if they're a peaceable Liberal that has deduced you're a White Supremicist.   It won't matter that you voted for Bernie.

Man shot at UW no racist, friends insist, despite shooter’s claim

Two people who said they are friends with the wounded man disputed the characterization of him as a supremacist. One said his friend supported Bernie Sanders in the Democratic presidential primary, and both said he sports an anti-hate tattoo that consists of a black swastika surrounded by a red circle with a slash through it.

my penis just wiggled.

[xsanguine]

How to culture jam a populist- And make no mistake, Trump is a populist

The recipe is universal. Find a wound common to many, someone to blame for it and a good story to tell. Mix it all together. Tell the wounded you know how they feel. That you found the bad guys. Label them: the minorities, the politicians, the businessmen. Cartoon them. As vermin, evil masterminds, flavourless hipsters, you name it. Then paint yourself as the saviour. Capture their imagination. Forget about policies and plans, just enrapture them with a good story. One that starts in anger and ends in vengeance. A vengeance they can participate in.

That’s how it becomes a movement. There’s something soothing in all that anger. Though full of hatred, it promises redemption. Populism can’t cure your suffering, but it can do something almost as good — better in some ways: it can build a satisfying narrative around it. A fictionalized account of your misery. A promise to make sense of your hurt. It is them. It’s been them all along.

If only that were a reality.

[Guest]

So I can have a thread where I'm never off topic.


Part of the Left's ongoing outreach, open-mindedness and tolerance.

Setting aside the fact that that sign is total nonsense, Goose, do you consider those two to be representative of the anti-Trump left as a whole? Or are they just a humorous outlier to you?

Cameron? Having had more time to think on this - is it any different than the left dragging the pictures of the Klan out to "represent" the right? Making the most extreme elements the "norm"?

[I.B. Fine]

Trump getting sued again. Any bets on what country they're talking about?

I wonder what kind of alternative facts will be brought up this time.

This is pretty desperate. Unless they show the Moscow Circus is touring the US and staying exclusively in Trump hotels year round, they are pissing into the wind.

[DWags]

How to culture jam a populist- And make no mistake, Trump is a populist

The recipe is universal. Find a wound common to many, someone to blame for it and a good story to tell. Mix it all together. Tell the wounded you know how they feel. That you found the bad guys. Label them: the minorities, the politicians, the businessmen. Cartoon them. As vermin, evil masterminds, flavourless hipsters, you name it. Then paint yourself as the saviour. Capture their imagination. Forget about policies and plans, just enrapture them with a good story. One that starts in anger and ends in vengeance. A vengeance they can participate in.

That’s how it becomes a movement. There’s something soothing in all that anger. Though full of hatred, it promises redemption. Populism can’t cure your suffering, but it can do something almost as good — better in some ways: it can build a satisfying narrative around it. A fictionalized account of your misery. A promise to make sense of your hurt. It is them. It’s been them all along.

If only that were a reality.

President Trump. What were you saying?

[Herbie Green]

Couldn't this essentially mean that Republicans donate more to the church? The first article mentions Utah is #1 which is not surprising since mormons give 10% of their salary to the church

Herbie? Churches count as charitable giving for everyone, Dems and Reps. Always have. Many, many churches do good things in the community no matter how much Libs like to hate on them.

Yeah, they count as a charitable deduction on a tax return but only a small portion of the donation actually goes to charity.

http://www.newsweek.com/2013/10/25/are-churches-making-america-poor-243734.html

Cragun's report also challenges the basic premise for exempting religious organizations - that their money mainly goes toward charitable purposes.

Some of the available stats were damning. "One calculation of the resources expended by 271 U.S. congregations found that, on average, 'operating expenses' totaled 71 percent of all the expenditures of religions, much of that going to pay ministers' salaries," the report said.

Cragun and the others have compared this to the American Red Cross, which "spends 92.1 percent of its revenue directly addressing the physical needs of those it intends to help; only 7.9 percent is spent on 'operating expenses.' "

The paper also points out that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, of which Cragun is formerly a member, only gave .7 percent of its annual income to charity between 1985 and 2008. Wal-Mart, on the other hand, "gives about $1.75 billion in food aid to charities each year...almost double what the LDS church has given in the last 25 years," according to Cragun's research.

[I.B. Fine]

Saw a lot of anger on display in DC Friday & Saturday, but it didn't seem to be from any Trumpsters.

[Cameron]

Setting aside the fact that that sign is total nonsense, Goose, do you consider those two to be representative of the anti-Trump left as a whole? Or are they just a humorous outlier to you?

Cameron?   Having had more time to think on this - is it any different than the left dragging the pictures of the Klan out to "represent" the right?   Making the most extreme elements the "norm"?

Not too different at all.

[DWags]

Global Gag rule resigned by Trump. Not surprising.

[Guest]

Global Gag rule resigned by Trump. Not surprising.

Not surprising at all. Every Republican since Reagan has done it, every Democrat since has undone it.

What percentage of taxpayers would you guess support using their tax $$'s to pay for abortions in other countries?

[Robert J Sakimano]

Global Gag rule resigned by Trump. Not surprising.

Not surprising at all. Every Republican since Reagan has done it, every Democrat since has undone it.

What percentage of taxpayers would you guess support using their tax $$'s to pay for abortions in other countries?

I prefer my tax dollars go to bombing other countries.

[DWags]

Global Gag rule resigned by Trump. Not surprising.

Not surprising at all. Every Republican since Reagan has done it, every Democrat since has undone it.

What percentage of taxpayers would you guess support using their tax $$'s to pay for abortions in other countries?

Definitely less people would want to help educate women on reproductive health in other countries vs. Bomb the hell out of them. I'd say 20% reproductive health, 80% bomb the shit out of those fuckers.

[Cameron]

Global Gag rule resigned by Trump.   Not surprising.  

Not surprising at all.   Every Republican since Reagan has done it, every Democrat since has undone it.

What percentage of taxpayers would you guess support using their tax $$'s to pay for abortions in other countries?

My understanding (based only on having read an article I saw on facebook earlier today, so I could well be wrong) is that there is another rule/law in place that disallows using US money for abortions, but some people don't feel that that's enough.

[Herbie Green]

Golly Gee - anyone want to continue with the hard hearted Right wingers vs the generously giving liberals argument???

Gee wiz Goose I responded. I guess you don't have a comeback for your #1 red state donater donating 0.7% of LDS donations for charity.
Would you like to move on to the #2 charitable contribution - universities. Those Ralph Young dollars are supporting our poor unfortunate football players that now have a new recruiting lounge with granite countertops

[Guest]

Golly Gee - anyone want to continue with the hard hearted Right wingers vs the generously giving liberals argument???

Gee wiz Goose I responded. I guess you don't have a comeback for your #1 red state donater donating 0.7% of LDS donations for charity.
Would you like to move on to the #2 charitable contribution - universities. Those Ralph Young dollars are supporting our poor unfortunate football players that now have a new recruiting lounge with granite countertops

I didn't define charities, I reported on who gave to them. Wouldn't you prefer to have those $$ be voluntarily given by others rather than removed from your pocket by the government?

[DWags]

Gee wiz Goose I responded. I guess you don't have a comeback for your #1 red state donater donating 0.7% of LDS donations for charity.
Would you like to move on to the #2 charitable contribution - universities. Those Ralph Young dollars are supporting our poor unfortunate football players that now have a new recruiting lounge with granite countertops

I didn't define charities, I reported on who gave to them. Wouldn't you prefer to have those $$ be voluntarily given by others rather than removed from your pocket by the government?

I did. And I bet a dollar to a donut the people in that picture would more likely help a pregnant woman than any right wing zealot. Then we were inundated with bullshit @which states donate more" articles from you. Then you're asking me if I ever researched it like I didn't fucking know before I said it which charities were more likely to help beat up pregnant women and which type of people usually donate to them. It's laughable.

[Herbie Green]

Gee wiz Goose I responded.  I guess you don't have a comeback for your #1 red state donater donating 0.7% of LDS donations for charity.
Would you like to move on to the #2 charitable contribution - universities.  Those Ralph Young dollars are supporting our poor unfortunate football players that now have a new recruiting lounge with granite countertops

I didn't define charities, I reported on who gave to them.   Wouldn't you prefer to have those $$ be voluntarily given by others rather than removed from your pocket by the government?

Honestly, no. It seems like these tax dollars are instead going to church salaries, church buildings, church lawsuits from molesting children, church recruiting of members, church endorsement of political candidates and activist groups with a very small portion going to what I would consider actual "charity", that is helping those in need.

I mean LDS is giving 0.7% of donated dollars to charity.  I don't think you can get access to their finances but a 20-30% portion to charity of all religious donations would be a generous estimate. In a perfect world of tax code you could get a deduction for the amount that actually goes to charity - 92% for the Red Cross, 0.7% for LDS, 20% for Catholics or whatever.

The government may be inefficient but it would be impossible not to get an ROI that would blow away the return we are getting from the churches spending most of their dollars on their own expenses.

[Guest]

I think this was posted by a relative of Bob's....seeing the KKK everywhere....at BGSU too

Mary Ellen Mazey ‏@PresidentMazey
Thanks for sharing, @autumpatrice. We looked into this. We discovered it's a cover on a piece of lab equipment.

[Guest]

Think she'll get fired?

Senior Secret Service agent suggests she wouldn't take 'a bullet' for Trump

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