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Post by steveschneider on Thu 22 Aug 2019 - 16:38

Cameron wrote:
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Correct, I think you want to be a cop but you just can't bring yourself to be one hence the reasons why you started your copophobic thread. It's your repressed feelings that is making you so angry.  I also believe on the subconscious level your true feelings that your repress come out when you police my posts all over this board.

So you think I secretly wish I could become a police officer, and the best evidence you can marshal in support of this absurd theory is that I hate cops and I hate you?

The part I put in bold, the answer is yes.
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Post by Cameron on Thu 22 Aug 2019 - 16:43

steveschneider wrote:
Cameron wrote:

So you think I secretly wish I could become a police officer, and the best evidence you can marshal in support of this absurd theory is that I hate cops and I hate you?

The part I put in bold, the answer is yes.

Why are you ignoring the rest of the sentence, steve? Something to hide?
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Post by steveschneider on Thu 22 Aug 2019 - 16:55

Cameron wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

The part I put in bold, the answer is yes.

Why are you ignoring the rest of the sentence, steve? Something to hide?

I think laid out my reasons a page back. Yes, I still stand by them.
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Post by Turtleneck on Sun 25 Aug 2019 - 13:53

Over/under on any world leader who asked him this? I will set it at 1.

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Post by Rocinante on Sun 25 Aug 2019 - 13:55

I’ll take the under. Unless it includes him asking himself.
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Post by Turtleneck on Sun 25 Aug 2019 - 14:03

Rocinante wrote:I’ll take the under. Unless it includes him asking himself.

Nope.

I think the under is the safe bet.
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Post by Turtleneck on Sun 25 Aug 2019 - 23:29

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Post by steveschneider on Mon 26 Aug 2019 - 7:44

Spot on.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/26/opinion/food-nutrition-health-care.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

I’ve made an effort to eat better and eat more veggies. The costs of health care in our country is through the roof. We could save so much money In this country if we ate better and exercised more. One point this article missed.
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Post by InTenSity on Mon 26 Aug 2019 - 10:18

steveschneider wrote:Spot on.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/26/opinion/food-nutrition-health-care.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

I’ve made an effort to eat better and eat more veggies. The costs of health care in our country is through the roof. We could save so much money In this country if we ate better and exercised more. One point this article missed.
It probably has nothing to do with our working lifestyles in the US. I mean, I only spend around 2-3 hours commuting per day. This morning I left the house at 7:30, dropped both kids off to school and got in to work at 9:15. I'll be here until 4:30, at which point I'll leave and hope to make it home around 5:30, but if I leave at 4:45, I won't get home until around 6. I'm usually just tired and want to rest by that point. I wouldn't blame diet only for the health of this country.
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Post by Cameron on Thu 12 Sep 2019 - 16:32

Should this guy have been fired?

I don't think so. I strongly disagree with the sentence he gave Brock Turner, and I am fully in favor of his removal from the bench. But the guy is not a predator or a criminal, he's just a (former) judge who gave out a light sentence. I would think that ought not to bar him from any type of employment anywhere. No one would have been endangered by him coaching tennis, as far as I can tell.
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Post by tGreenWay on Thu 12 Sep 2019 - 16:47

Cameron wrote:Should this guy have been fired?

I don't think so. I strongly disagree with the sentence he gave Brock Turner, and I am fully in favor of his removal from the bench. But the guy is not a predator or a criminal, he's just a (former) judge who gave out a light sentence. I would think that ought not to bar him from any type of employment anywhere. No one would have been endangered by him coaching tennis, as far as I can tell.


There are very few secrets in the age of social media, and I’m sure the school was bombarded with calls. Never should’ve been hired in the first place, but it was best for students to get rid of him and put an end to the attention.
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Post by Cameron on Thu 12 Sep 2019 - 17:00

tGreenWay wrote:
Cameron wrote:Should this guy have been fired?

I don't think so. I strongly disagree with the sentence he gave Brock Turner, and I am fully in favor of his removal from the bench. But the guy is not a predator or a criminal, he's just a (former) judge who gave out a light sentence. I would think that ought not to bar him from any type of employment anywhere. No one would have been endangered by him coaching tennis, as far as I can tell.


There are very few secrets in the age of social media, and I’m sure the school was bombarded with calls. Never should’ve been hired in the first place, but it was best for students to get rid of him and put an end to the attention.

"Never should've been hired in the first place"

Why not? He was evidently qualified as far as tennis skills/knowledge is concerned.

Is he just un-employable now?
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Post by kingstonlake on Wed 18 Sep 2019 - 18:44

Rumblings that a whistle optimist is trying to be silenced by executive privilege. Law clearly states executive privilege does not apply. According to CNN the move is unprecedented in the intelligence community. Supposedly involves someone who worked in the white house then moved back to the intelligence community. Supposedly reaches the cabinet or oval office.
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Post by Cameron on Wed 18 Sep 2019 - 22:29

kingstonlake wrote:Rumblings that a whistle optimist is trying to be silenced by executive privilege. Law clearly states executive privilege does not apply. According to CNN the move is unprecedented in the intelligence community. Supposedly involves someone who worked in the white house then moved back to the intelligence community. Supposedly reaches the cabinet or oval office.

Is this a surprise? Corey Lewandowski was never employed by the White House or the executive branch, yet they asserted privilege on any testimony congress might ask of him. There are no norms or rules anymore. When Collins brayed like a jackass for a point of order and a roll call and whatever other obfuscationist bullshit he could think of, Nadler should have told him to shove it up his ass. What could Collins do about it? Democrats and Republicans ought to play by the same (apparent lack of) rules.
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Post by Rocinante on Wed 18 Sep 2019 - 23:07

Whistle Optimist.

Awesome.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on Thu 19 Sep 2019 - 6:27

Cameron wrote:

Is this a surprise? Corey Lewandowski was never employed by the White House or the executive branch, yet they asserted privilege on any testimony congress might ask of him. There are no norms or rules anymore. When Collins brayed like a jackass for a point of order and a roll call and whatever other obfuscationist bullshit he could think of, Nadler should have told him to shove it up his ass. What could Collins do about it? Democrats and Republicans ought to play by the same (apparent lack of) rules.
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Post by DWags on Thu 19 Sep 2019 - 8:08

I guess I have a real problem with this one.

1. Our president can say anything he wants to to a foreign leader over the phone. It’s not illegal to lie or to promise or to pretend he would do anything in the scope of gathering information or negotiating something with a foreign leader. I would really need a huge scope of context and I don’t think this whistle b-low er can supply this

2. None of us trust Trump because he’s a lying piece of shit, but this is a slippery slope guys. Do we really want to extrapolate that out to future presidents and negotiations?

3. Orange menace can promise foreign leaders anything but cant deliver without congress or our military carrying out things.

I guess I’m wondering how open we want our government. It’s a fine line.
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Post by Watch Out Pylon! on Thu 19 Sep 2019 - 8:20

DWags wrote:I guess I have a real problem with this one.

1. Our president can say anything he wants to to a foreign leader over the phone. It’s not illegal to lie or to promise or to pretend he would do anything in the scope of gathering information or negotiating something with a foreign leader. I would really need a huge scope of context and I don’t think this whistle b-low er can supply this

2. None of us trust Trump because he’s a lying piece of shit, but this is a slippery slope guys. Do we really want to extrapolate that out to future presidents and negotiations?

3. Orange menace can promise foreign leaders anything but cant deliver without congress or our military carrying out things.

I guess I’m wondering how open we want our government. It’s a fine line.

As long as we can hold it together for maybe 40 more years I won't give a shit after that. It seems like at least once a week something new and horrifyingly unprecedented comes out about this administration. I'm just waiting out the clock on this as well. Hopefully only another year and change.
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on Thu 19 Sep 2019 - 8:33

DWags wrote:I guess I have a real problem with this one.

1. Our president can say anything he wants to to a foreign leader over the phone. It’s not illegal to lie or to promise or to pretend he would do anything in the scope of gathering information or negotiating something with a foreign leader. I would really need a huge scope of context and I don’t think this whistle b-low er can supply this

2. None of us trust Trump because he’s a lying piece of shit, but this is a slippery slope guys. Do we really want to extrapolate that out to future presidents and negotiations?

3. Orange menace can promise foreign leaders anything but cant deliver without congress or our military carrying out things.

I guess I’m wondering how open we want our government. It’s a fine line.

We don’t really know what the information was so it’s impossible to say. Since they haven’t done something like this in three years of this lunatic running around, id assume it was something serious enough for the intelligence community to finally be like “wait hold the fuck on” which tbh other presidents probably wouldn’t do anyway.

Given that like a week ago we found out that a we took a spy out of Russia, I’m gonna guess that trump was gonna give the guy back to Putin. But that’s just speculation. But also im not very concerned about other presidents doing that.
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Post by DWags on Thu 19 Sep 2019 - 8:40

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
DWags wrote:I guess I have a real problem with this one.

1. Our president can say anything he wants to to a foreign leader over the phone. It’s not illegal to lie or to promise or to pretend he would do anything in the scope of gathering information or negotiating something with a foreign leader. I would really need a huge scope of context and I don’t think this whistle b-low er can supply this

2. None of us trust Trump because he’s a lying piece of shit, but this is a slippery slope guys. Do we really want to extrapolate that out to future presidents and negotiations?

3. Orange menace can promise foreign leaders anything but cant deliver without congress or our military carrying out things.

I guess I’m wondering how open we want our government. It’s a fine line.

We don’t really know what the information was so it’s impossible to say. Since they haven’t done something like this in three years of this lunatic running around, id assume it was something serious enough for the intelligence community to finally be like “wait hold the fuck on” which tbh other presidents probably wouldn’t do anyway.

Given that like a week ago we found out that a we took a spy out of Russia, I’m gonna guess that trump was gonna give the guy back to Putin. But that’s just speculation. But also im not very concerned about other presidents doing that.


I’m not either. Point is, does this open a door to future “whistle lowers” who listen to our future presidents?

Look, I don’t know, and precedents have been set left and right with this guy, but I’m just wondering where lines should be.
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on Thu 19 Sep 2019 - 8:47

If we’re talking in general, I would say that something less than absolute executive power would be ideal.
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Post by Watch Out Pylon! on Thu 19 Sep 2019 - 8:51

DWags wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

We don’t really know what the information was so it’s impossible to say. Since they haven’t done something like this in three years of this lunatic running around, id assume it was something serious enough for the intelligence community to finally be like “wait hold the fuck on” which tbh other presidents probably wouldn’t do anyway.

Given that like a week ago we found out that a we took a spy out of Russia, I’m gonna guess that trump was gonna give the guy back to Putin. But that’s just speculation. But also im not very concerned about other presidents doing that.


I’m not either. Point is, does this open a door to future “whistle lowers” who listen to our future presidents?

Look, I don’t know, and precedents have been set left and right with this guy, but I’m just wondering where lines should be.

I'm placing a lot of the blame for all of this bullshit on McConnell as well. Fucking turtle has done nothing to reign in the orange turd and he never will either. Trump could drop nukes all over Iran and the first thing he'd do would be to check polls in Kentucky to see if his constituents are glad that Trump did that. And being Kentucky they would be.
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Post by kingstonlake on Thu 19 Sep 2019 - 8:58

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:If we’re talking in general, I would say that something less than absolute executive power would be ideal.

At some point you probably have to look at scrapping the entire constitution. I can’t really think of anything we use from the 1700’s “as is” unless it’s a something like mackinaw island.....
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Post by Watch Out Pylon! on Thu 19 Sep 2019 - 9:06

kingstonlake wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:If we’re talking in general, I would say that something less than absolute executive power would be ideal.

At some point you probably have to look at scrapping the entire constitution.  I can’t really think of anything we use from the 1700’s “as is” unless it’s a something like mackinaw island.....



I wonder what this guy thinks these days.
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Post by DWags on Thu 19 Sep 2019 - 9:08

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:If we’re talking in general, I would say that something less than absolute executive power would be ideal.

Do we let non elected cia office guys decide that?
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on Thu 19 Sep 2019 - 9:13

DWags wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:If we’re talking in general, I would say that something less than absolute executive power would be ideal.

Do we let non elected cia office guys decide that?

Until we actually know what they did then honestly there’s no answering that question dwags. I already told you that.
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That on Thu 19 Sep 2019 - 12:13

Rocinante wrote:Whistle Optimist.

Awesome.

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Post by DWags on Thu 19 Sep 2019 - 12:17

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
DWags wrote:

Do we let non elected cia office guys decide that?

Until we actually know what they did then honestly there’s no answering that question dwags. I already told you that.

So, there is a point where you’d agree any cia operative can whistle b-low at any time because they heard our duly elected president say this.....

Im wondering if you draw that line, where will the next be drawn?

I’m not saying there shouldn’t be one, I’m just thinking that we need to tread real carefully here.
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on Thu 19 Sep 2019 - 12:32

What, in your mind, does whistleblow mean to you dwags?
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Post by DWags on Thu 19 Sep 2019 - 13:15

Come on Travis. If what this is, an operative listening in on the President of the United States, we need to be careful. Do you think I’m defending him or the office? I believe in checks and balances. I believe in our whistle blo er laws. But I’m saying there better be huge context with this. Our executive has to have the ability to negotiate without fear of someone running to congress who perhaps has a different philosophy.

I’m guessing, with Trump, it’s something slimy illegal or life threatening. But the parameters better be clear in this. All I’m saying.
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Post by kingstonlake on Thu 19 Sep 2019 - 13:59

I’m guess ole fatso is on double secret oversight within the intelligence gathering community. What with him giving up classified info to the Russians a couple years ago. Sorry Wags, at this point he gets no benefit of the doubt. This dipshit is a national security threat from within. Can you imagine the anxiety the intelligence community must have knowing they lawfully have to share info with this fuck wad? I don’t see it being a problem down the road. Adults will be back in charge eventually.
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos on Thu 19 Sep 2019 - 15:54

DWags wrote:Come on Travis. If what this is, an operative listening in on the President of the United States, we need to be careful. Do you think I’m defending him or the office? I believe in checks and balances. I believe in our whistle blo er laws. But I’m saying there better be huge context with this. Our executive has to have the ability to negotiate without fear of someone running to congress who perhaps has a different philosophy.

I’m guessing, with Trump, it’s something slimy illegal or life threatening. But the parameters better be clear in this. All I’m saying.

I really don’t understand what’s so bad about that on its face. Congress should be more involved, and the president should be aware that congress is overseeing everything that they do or say.
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Post by Rocinante on Thu 19 Sep 2019 - 16:32

This is why leaking to the press is preferable to using the chain of command often.
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Post by kingstonlake on Thu 19 Sep 2019 - 18:27

Rocinante wrote:This is why leaking to the press is preferable to using the chain of command often.

Excellent point.
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Post by Cameron on Tue 19 Nov 2019 - 2:48

What's the difference between a lentil and a chickpea?

Donald Trump has never had a lentil on his face in a Moscow hotel.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano on Tue 19 Nov 2019 - 6:28

Cameron wrote:What's the difference between a lentil and a chickpea?

Donald Trump has never had a lentil on his face in a Moscow hotel.
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Post by Turtleneck on Tue 19 Nov 2019 - 9:03

Cameron wrote:What's the difference between a lentil and a chickpea?

Donald Trump has never had a lentil on his face in a Moscow hotel.

Please do not speculate.
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Post by Cameron on Sun 24 Nov 2019 - 17:40

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Post by Cameron on Sun 1 Dec 2019 - 12:24

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Post by Floyd Robertson on Mon 9 Dec 2019 - 6:53

Finland's next PM is 34 years-old.

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