Santa Fe School Shooting.

Dr. Strangelove wrote:We already have instant background checks when buying firearms. The gunshot "loophole" isn't really much of a loophole as most gun show dealers are already licensed firearm dealers and they have to perform checks to keep their FFL.

You're talking about private sales and gifts. You could pass some sort of transfer law I guess but that would be mostly ignored I'm sure for gifts. You might be able to drive private sales underground.

The anti-gun people talk about banning certain types of weapons - especially the scary looking ones. That's just cosmetics especially in the case of the AR-15. In reality the AR is an underpowered rifle that looks cool. I much prefer the M1 Garand which is the finest rifle I've ever fired. It's a 30-06 man killer. 

There's room to carve out hippa exemptions I'm sure but they're gonna have to change some laws.

I got no problem with CC teachers but then again I live in a Southern state where it's not unusual to see people open carrying at the grocery store. 

The whole gun Free Zone thing just seems like painting a target on movie theaters, schools and other places.

In this latest one at 17 he wasn't able to purchase weapons so he took his dad's. He used a revolver and a shotgun. There's no way those are ever getting banned.

tGreenWay wrote:The Second Amendment gives you the right to have guns. It doesn’t give you the right to have as many guns as you want, and it doesn’t give you the right to own an AR-15 or any AR-style rifles.
Ban those fuckers.

DWags wrote:Why in the fuck are we the only country with this problem. Take banning away, take arming teachers away. Somebody come with a theory. Why is this happening here. Every country has social media, every country has internet and violent games every country has abuse and mental illness. But what country besides us has this?

I’ve got $1000 bucks to bet. By 5/18/19 we will have another multiple shooting/murder at a high school. Takers? You won’t, cause you know it’s gonna happen.

This is fucked up.

Floyd Robertson wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:The Second Amendment gives you the right to have guns. It doesn’t give you the right to have as many guns as you want, and it doesn’t give you the right to own an AR-15 or any AR-style rifles.
Ban those fuckers.

I'm not sure how banning those is even an issue.

tGreenWay wrote:The Second Amendment gives you the right to have guns. It doesn’t give you the right to have as many guns as you want, and it doesn’t give you the right to own an AR-15 or any AR-style rifles.
Ban those fuckers.

kingstonlake wrote:I'll guarantee you if there was a vote to allow a government sweep to confiscate every unregistered firearm in this country via a home check, the NRA would oppose it. If you have legally registered guns your fine. Just trying to get as many illegal guns off the street as possible. They'd still oppose it. That's how sick they are.

But a sweep to get rid of illegal immigrants. Hell yeah.

Dr. Strangelove wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:The Second Amendment gives you the right to have guns. It doesn’t give you the right to have as many guns as you want, and it doesn’t give you the right to own an AR-15 or any AR-style rifles.
Ban those fuckers.

How are you going to ban the AR without banning any other semi-auto rifle?

The AR just looks scary. That's it. There's a reason why you aren't allowed to deer hunt with them in some states. At .223 they're just a varmint gun.

NigelUno wrote:

Dr. Strangelove wrote:
How are you going to ban the AR without banning any other semi-auto rifle?

The AR just looks scary. That's it. There's a reason why you aren't allowed to deer hunt with them in some states. At .223 they're just a varmint gun.

It just looks scary?  It hasn't been used in a lot of mass shootings?

Dr. Strangelove wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:The Second Amendment gives you the right to have guns. It doesn’t give you the right to have as many guns as you want, and it doesn’t give you the right to own an AR-15 or any AR-style rifles.
Ban those fuckers.

How are you going to ban the AR without banning any other semi-auto rifle?

The AR just looks scary. That's it. There's a reason why you aren't allowed to deer hunt with them in some states. At .223 they're just a varmint gun.

Dr. Strangelove wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

It just looks scary?  It hasn't been used in a lot of mass shootings?

Fine. How exactly are you going to ban it? Like Clinton's ban? By name? It's a .223 semi-auto rifle. 

There are probably 10 million of them in this country. How are you going take those away?

y2kMgrad wrote:

Dr. Strangelove wrote:
Fine. How exactly are you going to ban it? Like Clinton's ban? By name? It's a .223 semi-auto rifle. 

There are probably 10 million of them in this country. How are you going take those away?

Make it a felony to own one and then offer a buy back program for those who have them to turn them in. It wouldn't get rid of all them but it would get rid of most. I'd bet even the gun crazies would give them up if their freedom depended on it. But I know none of this will ever realistically happen because any hint of change on this issue is met with absurd slippery slope arguments like THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO TAKE AWAY YOUR GUNS, and there's too much money to be made and doled out to campaigns. So nothing will happen again, and we'll likely have this thread in another 6 months, again. Sad.

y2kMgrad wrote:

Dr. Strangelove wrote:
Fine. How exactly are you going to ban it? Like Clinton's ban? By name? It's a .223 semi-auto rifle. 

There are probably 10 million of them in this country. How are you going take those away?

Make it a felony to own one and then offer a buy back program for those who have them to turn them in. It wouldn't get rid of all them but it would get rid of most. I'd bet even the gun crazies would give them up if their freedom depended on it. But I know none of this will ever realistically happen because any hint of change on this issue is met with absurd slippery slope arguments like THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO TAKE AWAY YOUR GUNS, and there's too much money to be made and doled out to campaigns. So nothing will happen again, and we'll likely have this d in another 6 months, again. Sad.

InTenSity wrote:

Dr. Strangelove wrote:
How are you going to ban the AR without banning any other semi-auto rifle?

The AR just looks scary. That's it. There's a reason why you aren't allowed to deer hunt with them in some states. At .223 they're just a varmint gun.

So high school students are no better than varmints?

Dr. Strangelove wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

It just looks scary?  It hasn't been used in a lot of mass shootings?

Fine. How exactly are you going to ban it? Like Clinton's ban? By name? It's a .223 semi-auto rifle. 

There are probably 10 million of them in this country. How are you going take those away?

Dr. Strangelove wrote:

y2kMgrad wrote:

Make it a felony to own one and then offer a buy back program for those who have them to turn them in. It wouldn't get rid of all them but it would get rid of most. I'd bet even the gun crazies would give them up if their freedom depended on it. But I know none of this will ever realistically happen because any hint of change on this issue is met with absurd slippery slope arguments like THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO TAKE AWAY YOUR GUNS, and there's too much money to be made and doled out to campaigns. So nothing will happen again, and we'll likely have this d in another 6 months, again. Sad.

Make it a  felony to own what? An AR-15?  What's to stop a company from selling a AR-51?

Or are you going to make it a felony to own a semi-automatic rifle? 

You can't do it. It's not possible. There are too many weapons and nobody knows who has them. There is no national gun registry.

NigelUno wrote:

Dr. Strangelove wrote:
Fine. How exactly are you going to ban it? Like Clinton's ban? By name? It's a .223 semi-auto rifle. 

There are probably 10 million of them in this country. How are you going take those away?

What is the reason you aren't allowed to deer hunt with them?  Is it just because it's a varmint gun?  Or is it something else?  

y2kMgrad wrote:

Dr. Strangelove wrote:
Make it a  felony to own what? An AR-15?  What's to stop a company from selling a AR-51?

Or are you going to make it a felony to own a semi-automatic rifle? 

You can't do it. It's not possible. There are too many weapons and nobody knows who has them. There is no national gun registry.

It's not impossible at all. You just pass a law making them illegal. That's it. There's no national crack registry either but possession is still a felony. But I know it'll never happen, so I don't even know why I'm arguing it.

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:Nothing is going to happen. It's not even worth arguing over. Kids need to toughen up and get used to the idea of random gunfire in schools.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I think if every black, Muslim and Hispanic male over the age of 18 who could legally purchase a gun went and bought one tomorrow, white folks would do something about our gun/murder culture by Monday morning.

Dr. Strangelove wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

What is the reason you aren't allowed to deer hunt with them?  Is it just because it's a varmint gun?  Or is it something else?  

Because the .223 round isn't powerful enough to guarantee a deer will be killed with one shot. That's why it's classified as a varmint gun (coyotes, rabbits, etc)

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:Nothing is going to happen. It's not even worth arguing over. Kids need to toughen up and get used to the idea of random gunfire in schools.

LooseGoose wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I think if every black, Muslim and Hispanic male over the age of 18 who could legally purchase a gun went and bought one tomorrow, white folks would do something about our gun/murder culture by Monday morning.

lol, everything is racial to the non racist.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

lol, everything is racial to the non racist.

has the racist, bigoted sexual predator called the shooter an "animal" yet or does he just save that term for brown people?

kingstonlake wrote:I think in Switzerland you can own guns but they have to be housed at a facility for weapons. Kinda like a library. Except the books are guns. Might have my facts a little mixed but that's the jist of it.

Firearms legislation in Switzerland comes from a long tradition of shooting (tirs) as a formative element of national identity in the post-Napoleonic Restoration of the Confederacy,[1] and the long-standing practice of a militia organization of the Swiss Army in which soldiers' service rifles are stored privately at home. In addition to this, many cantons (notably the alpine cantons of Grisons and Valais) have strong traditions of hunting, accounting for a large but unknown number of privately held hunting rifles.

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:The US has a third world mentality when it comes to guns. We need them for protection we say. The only other countries that thinks like this are the shithole countries. Guess that kinda makes us a shithole country too.

LooseGoose wrote:

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:The US has a third world mentality when it comes to guns. We need them for protection we say. The only other countries that thinks like this are the shithole countries. Guess that kinda makes us a shithole country too.

I thought we needed them for recreation and hunting.   Sorry you're forced to live in such a hellhole.

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

I thought we needed them for recreation and hunting. Sorry you're forced to live in such a hellhole.

I'm sorry you're willfully ignorant.

LooseGoose wrote:

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

I'm sorry you're willfully ignorant.

As usual, the insult is your preferred method of communication. Boy you really got me. Now tell me more about ignorance?

LooseGoose wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:I think in Switzerland you can own guns but they have to be housed at a facility for weapons. Kinda like a library. Except the books are guns. Might have my facts a little mixed but that's the jist of it.

So no one could check them out and use them for a mass shooting? Doubt it.

Firearms legislation in Switzerland comes from a long tradition of shooting (tirs) as a formative element of national identity in the post-Napoleonic Restoration of the Confederacy,[1] and the long-standing practice of a militia organization of the Swiss Army in which soldiers' service rifles are stored privately at home. In addition to this, many cantons (notably the alpine cantons of Grisons and Valais) have strong traditions of hunting, accounting for a large but unknown number of privately held hunting rifles.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Switzerland

LooseGoose wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: has the racist, bigoted sexual predator called the shooter an "animal" yet or does he just save that term for brown people?

He pretty much saves that for vicious murdering gang members.

Of course it's amusing how many of the commentators critiquing his use of the term have called him an animal in the past.

kingstonlake wrote:I'll guarantee you if there was a vote to allow a government sweep to confiscate every unregistered firearm in this country via a home check, the NRA would oppose it. If you have legally registered guns your fine. Just trying to get as many illegal guns off the street as possible. They'd still oppose it. That's how sick they are.

But a sweep to get rid of illegal immigrants. Hell yeah.

Cameron wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:I'll guarantee you if there was a vote to allow a government sweep to confiscate every unregistered firearm in this country via a home check, the NRA would oppose it. If you have legally registered guns your fine. Just trying to get as many illegal guns off the street as possible. They'd still oppose it. That's how sick they are.

But a sweep to get rid of illegal immigrants. Hell yeah.

I would oppose the shit out of that, but I like my fourth amendment rights...

The way I see it, Pandora is out of the box. The gun manufacturers have succeeded in getting too many guns into circulation to ever get rid of. The NRA and their ilk like to say responsible gun owners are not the problem. Let's take them at their word. Let's introduce legislation to put stiffer penalties in place for owning/possessing unregistered firearms, and let's also make it so that if a firearm that is registered in your name is used in a crime, you are guilty of that crime as well and get exactly the same penalty as the perpetrator. Call it the Responsible Gun Owner Act or some shit.

Just give people incentive to lock their shit up. It wouldn't stop gun violence completely (that's obviously impossible), but it should help.