Re: Class warfare

by **Trapper Gus** Mon 30 Jan 2023 - 10:00

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Wonder how many poor ass scurvy Rs realize that the representatives they elected to office (because they are christian gun lovers) used shady legislative tricks to subvert democracy and cost them big fat raises?

Probably none of them.

You'd think if legislators had a conscious they would feel guilty... but they don't.

I wonder how many of those Republican legislators are still in the legislator.

We may need a Michigan Constitutional Amendment to stop this from happening again if the courts rule it is legal.

by AvgMSUJoe Fri 3 Feb 2023 - 17:42

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by **Rocinante** Fri 3 Feb 2023 - 17:46

Seriously, if enough of us just storm the walls, we’ll win.

by AvgMSUJoe Fri 3 Feb 2023 - 19:14

Rocinante wrote:Seriously, if enough of us just storm the walls, we’ll win.

Unfortunately, the trumpist dipshits have all that vigor but are dumb as stumps with the direction.
No one is happy about "them"... especially when half don't know who "they" are.

by **Cameron** Sat 4 Feb 2023 - 1:08

Divide and conquer is a dismayingly successful strategy...

by **Trapper Gus** Fri 10 Mar 2023 - 8:34

tNYT wrote:In the long term, the decline of unions tends to hurt workers: A large recent study, consistent with other research, found that union members made about 20 percent more on average than nonunionized workers who were otherwise similar. The additional wages often came out of corporate profits, which explains why the decline of unions has contributed to rising economic inequality. The shrinking of unions effectively redistributes income from low- and middle-income workers to affluent investors.

by **Trapper Gus** Sat 11 Mar 2023 - 11:00

So-called supply-side economics was championed as a plan that would enable everyone, from workers to financiers, to thrive together as the economy boomed, but it never produced the kind of growth its promoters promised. Instead, when combined with dramatically increased defense spending, it exploded deficits and added dramatically to the national debt.

At the same time, wealth moved upward dramatically. A 2020 Rand Corporation study found that from 1975 to 2018, about $50 trillion moved from the bottom 90% of Americans to the top 1%. The Biden administration has set out to address this inequity by reimposing the rules that used to prevent corporations and the wealthiest Americans from gaming the system, and by making it easier for working men and women to make ends meet.

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/march-9-2023

by **Cameron** Sun 12 Mar 2023 - 23:45

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by **Cameron** Fri 17 Mar 2023 - 10:22

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by **Travis of the Cosmos** Fri 17 Mar 2023 - 11:41

To be fair cam the bank and their shareholders are fucked. They aren’t getting anything from the government. It’s the people who deposited money with that bank getting the money.

Who are themselves assholes that deserve no quarter.

by TravelinMan Fri 17 Mar 2023 - 11:48

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:To be fair cam the bank and their shareholders are fucked. They aren’t getting anything from the government. It’s the people who deposited money with that bank getting the money.

Who are themselves assholes that deserve no quarter.

Can you please elaborate on why you believe SVB customers to be "assholes that deserve no quarter?"

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Fri 17 Mar 2023 - 12:01

TravelinMan wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:To be fair cam the bank and their shareholders are fucked. They aren’t getting anything from the government. It’s the people who deposited money with that bank getting the money.

Who are themselves assholes that deserve no quarter.

Can you please elaborate on why you believe SVB customers to be "assholes that deserve no quarter?"

No, eat shit.

by **Trapper Gus** Fri 17 Mar 2023 - 12:02

TravelinMan wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:To be fair cam the bank and their shareholders are fucked. They aren’t getting anything from the government. It’s the people who deposited money with that bank getting the money.

Who are themselves assholes that deserve no quarter.

Can you please elaborate on why you believe SVB customers to be "assholes that deserve no quarter?"

The VC Assholes Who Fucked Up SVB

by TravelinMan Fri 17 Mar 2023 - 12:12

Trapper Gus wrote:
TravelinMan wrote:

Can you please elaborate on why you believe SVB customers to be "assholes that deserve no quarter?"

The VC Assholes Who Fucked Up SVB

VC assholes <> customer assholes

by TravelinMan Fri 17 Mar 2023 - 12:13

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
TravelinMan wrote:

Can you please elaborate on why you believe SVB customers to be "assholes that deserve no quarter?"

No, eat shit.

Great response. Glad we could have this conversation.

Go Green!

by **Trapper Gus** Fri 17 Mar 2023 - 12:20

TravelinMan wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

The VC Assholes Who Fucked Up SVB

VC assholes <> customer assholes

TM showing his typical lack of awareness of how the bank run was created the VC assholes.

by TravelinMan Fri 17 Mar 2023 - 12:28

Trapper Gus wrote:
TravelinMan wrote:

VC assholes <> customer assholes

TM showing his typical lack of awareness of how the bank run was created the VC assholes.

That’s not what I’m asking about. I’m asking why Travis thinks the bank customers are assholes. But apparently he’s not able to discuss his feelings.

by **Trapper Gus** Fri 17 Mar 2023 - 12:30

TravelinMan wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

TM showing his typical lack of awareness of how the bank run was created the VC assholes.

That’s not what I’m asking about. I’m asking why Travis thinks the bank customers are assholes. But apparently he’s not able to discuss his feelings.

One would not think that anyone would need to have it explained how the people who are trying to destroy our country are assholes, but maybe you do?

by **Cameron** Fri 17 Mar 2023 - 16:26

Abolish the fed. Fuck those ghouls.

by **Trapper Gus** Fri 17 Mar 2023 - 16:45

Cameron wrote:

Abolish the fed. Fuck those ghouls.

I love what Stewart is doing, however the fact is the Fed does not have the authority to rein in corporate profits, which with corporate profits being 50% of the problem, as Jon says, is what they need.

Summers surely knows that the root cause of the issue were transient shocks to the economy.

by TravelinMan Fri 17 Mar 2023 - 17:12

Trapper Gus wrote:
TravelinMan wrote:

That’s not what I’m asking about. I’m asking why Travis thinks the bank customers are assholes. But apparently he’s not able to discuss his feelings.

One would not think that anyone would need to have it explained how the people who are trying to destroy our country are assholes, but maybe you do?

You think SVB customers are trying to destroy our country?

Will YOU elaborate? I am clearly out of the loop on this SVB customer hate.

by **Cameron** Fri 17 Mar 2023 - 17:14

Trapper Gus wrote:I love what Stewart is doing, however the fact is the Fed does not have the authority to rein in corporate profits, which with corporate profits being 50% of the problem, as Jon says, is what they need.

Summers surely knows that the root cause of the issue were transient shocks to the economy.

That's kind of the point. All the Fed has is a hammer, and the problem very obviously requires a screwdriver, yet they are intent to hammer away at working people anyway. So take their fucking hammer away.

by **Trapper Gus** Fri 17 Mar 2023 - 18:50

TravelinMan wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

One would not think that anyone would need to have it explained how the people who are trying to destroy our country are assholes, but maybe you do?

You think SVB customers are trying to destroy our country?

Will YOU elaborate? I am clearly out of the loop on this SVB customer hate.

Here is one of the people who is out to destroy our democracy and replace it with he and his wealthy buddies owning and running everything.

https://www.businessinsider.com/peter-thiel-had-money-in-silicon-valley-bank-collapse-report-2023-3

by **Trapper Gus** Fri 17 Mar 2023 - 18:53

Cameron wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:I love what Stewart is doing, however the fact is the Fed does not have the authority to rein in corporate profits, which with corporate profits being 50% of the problem, as Jon says, is what they need.

Summers surely knows that the root cause of the issue were transient shocks to the economy.

That's kind of the point. All the Fed has is a hammer, and the problem very obviously requires a screwdriver, yet they are intent to hammer away at working people anyway. So take their fucking hammer away.

The Fed needs that hammer, a screwdriver, a wrench, and about 20 other tools.

If they could slap a 100% tax on excess profits that would be a good start.

by **Cameron** Fri 17 Mar 2023 - 19:40

Trapper Gus wrote:
Cameron wrote:

That's kind of the point. All the Fed has is a hammer, and the problem very obviously requires a screwdriver, yet they are intent to hammer away at working people anyway. So take their fucking hammer away.

The Fed needs that hammer, a screwdriver, a wrench, and about 20 other tools.

If they could slap a 100% tax on excess profits that would be a good start.

I don't want to give all of those tools to unelected, unaccountable plutocrats. I'd far rather strip them of power than give them more.

by TravelinMan Fri 17 Mar 2023 - 20:12

Trapper Gus wrote:
TravelinMan wrote:

You think SVB customers are trying to destroy our country?

Will YOU elaborate? I am clearly out of the loop on this SVB customer hate.

Here is one of the people who is out to destroy our democracy and replace it with he and his wealthy buddies owning and running everything.

https://www.businessinsider.com/peter-thiel-had-money-in-silicon-valley-bank-collapse-report-2023-3

https://www.svb.com/industry-solutions/cleantech-and-sustainability

by **Trapper Gus** Sat 18 Mar 2023 - 8:06

Cameron wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

The Fed needs that hammer, a screwdriver, a wrench, and about 20 other tools.

If they could slap a 100% tax on excess profits that would be a good start.

I don't want to give all of those tools to unelected, unaccountable plutocrats. I'd far rather strip them of power than give them more.

Sure, it would be better if Congress was made up of a bunch of Jon Stewarts(sp) who really understand basic economics and did their jobs, but it isn't, which is why Congress turned over the basic two economic functions, stable economy & full employment, to the Fed.

Maybe its good that the Fed only has one tool as they aren't tempted to tinker as much, but as we all can see, it is a pretty shitting tool for the current situation. Of course, that the "economists" like Dr. Summer, have their head up their ass regarding reality, it is probably good that the Fed is handcuffed, as the economists they have on staff were probably trained by the ilk of Dr Summer.

Seriously, economists have believed forever that "if you build it, they will come", meaning that capital is what creates jobs, never mind the idea that in a consuming economy there are no jobs without consumers.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Wed 29 Mar 2023 - 19:43

This is one of the dumber rich guy quotes out there

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by **Cameron** Thu 13 Jul 2023 - 17:50

by sεяεηιτλ Thu 13 Jul 2023 - 20:55

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Wonder how many poor ass scurvy Rs realize that the representatives they elected to office (because they are christian gun lovers) used shady legislative tricks to subvert democracy and cost them big fat raises?

Probably none of them.

You'd think if legislators had a conscious they would feel guilty... but they don't.

Wow, i never heard of this. So is this going to the supreme court? Seems illegal. If you let it happen at all, it would completely nullify ballot initiatives potentially unless the initiative favors one of the parties in power. You could erase it all and replace it with "fuck the people" and pass it. There's no way to regulate it sanely really without some kind of extensive bipartisan commission that would study and vote on the amendment's validity. other then that, it's a free and easy way to kill any people driven initiatives.

by **Trapper Gus** Fri 14 Jul 2023 - 6:49

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:Wonder how many poor ass scurvy Rs realize that the representatives they elected to office (because they are christian gun lovers) used shady legislative tricks to subvert democracy and cost them big fat raises?

Probably none of them.

You'd think if legislators had a conscious they would feel guilty... but they don't.

Wow, i never heard of this. So is this going to the supreme court? Seems illegal. If you let it happen at all, it would completely nullify ballot initiatives potentially unless the initiative favors one of the parties in power. You could erase it all and replace it with "fuck the people" and pass it. There's no way to regulate it sanely really without some kind of extensive bipartisan commission that would study and vote on the amendment's validity. other then that, it's a free and easy way to kill any people driven initiatives.

Heard about the first ruling but not the second. Certainly heard about how the Republicans fucked the people back when they did this is a lame duck session with Synder on his way out the door. People not knowing the Republicans did this were not paying attention as it was well reported at the time.

by **Trapper Gus** Fri 14 Jul 2023 - 6:51

https://apnews.com/article/irs-tax-treasury-yellen-0b3240e16760753f1ed6479a060a1b2b

Oh look!

If the IRS can actually spend the time to look at the wealthy people's tax returns, they find they are cheating big time.

by **steveschneider** Fri 14 Jul 2023 - 7:15

Cameron wrote:

What did that guy have to say about Noam Chomsky taking all that money from Jeffrey Epstein?

by **Cameron** Fri 14 Jul 2023 - 11:05

Trapper Gus wrote:https://apnews.com/article/irs-tax-treasury-yellen-0b3240e16760753f1ed6479a060a1b2b

Oh look!

If the IRS can actually spend the time to look at the wealthy people's tax returns, they find they are cheating big time.

Republicans fighting tooth and nail against adequate funding for the IRS is irrefutable evidence that they aren't actually concerned about the debt and deficit. I'm not aware of any dollar the government spends that yields a better return on investment than that spent funding the IRS.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Fri 14 Jul 2023 - 11:07

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:This is one of the dumber rich guy quotes out there

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"I grew up in federally subsidized housing"...

(a few words later)

"no one gave it to me"...

Class warfare - Page 9 502811600

sounds like the kind of guy who likes to say "I worked hard to get to where I am".

by **Cameron** Fri 14 Jul 2023 - 12:51

steveschneider wrote:
Cameron wrote:

What did that guy have to say about Noam Chomsky taking all that money from Jeffrey Epstein?

Here you go, dipshit.

10:59 "Associations with this guy, especially AFTER he was found guilty of that stuff... Man, it's unforgivable. It really is."

Fucking steve...

by **steveschneider** Fri 14 Jul 2023 - 15:33

Cameron wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

What did that guy have to say about Noam Chomsky taking all that money from Jeffrey Epstein?

Here you go, dipshit.

10:59 "Associations with this guy, especially AFTER he was found guilty of that stuff... Man, it's unforgivable. It really is."

Fucking steve...

Joe Biden doing well, Noam Chomsky taking money from Epstein and Trump probably going to be doing his 24 campaign from prison…:tough times for the far left.

by **steveschneider** Tue 18 Jul 2023 - 8:12

How about those actors and writers? Fran Drescher is a fighter!

by **steveschneider** Tue 18 Jul 2023 - 8:12

How about those actors and writers? Fran Drescher is a fighter!

by **Cameron** Thu 17 Aug 2023 - 18:37

Fucking millennial MBAs and their damn fees. They're ruining everything!

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